Spud and Lightsoot

[Guest]

Good riddance to BOTH of you. Chin up boys.

[chief]

Just have to say, from what i know of lightsoot he's a good lad..

My frustration with ESB stems from Spud and his attitude..

[Goz]

I thought Sooty was generally a top bloke, it was Spudley who was always engaging in this 'secret squirrel I know something you don't' load of old tosh.

[get in the ring]

Now, now...

If you consider the amount of times you posted on the british forum, and all the good debates you had over there...then consider the fact that if Spud and lightsoot hadn't help the place to its feet the forum wouldn't have even existed.

I like both this forum and ESB's forum, but know for sure that the ESB forum is held in higher regard within the boxing community and is read by a lot of people within boxing. That is probably why it needs a very strict moderator to keep all in check.

I'm really gutted bennie and Jimmy have been banned, I really liked both guys as posters and bennie especially has taught me sh1tloads about the sport and writing, and has offered me great advice and tips... but I won't be leaving the ESB forum.

[DIRT SUGAR]

I'm sick of ol potato head. What a self-important grandstanding waste of space he's turned out to be. Gents my arse!

[TerribleTerry]

Lightsoot is deffo a good bloke for sure I know that. A massive boxing fan just trying to help out - shame the ESB board has gone all t1ts up. I reckon this one could be just as good though.

Cheers for the tip off Chris.

[Goz]

One thing I will tell you all about that happened to me does back up some of this 'what goes on behind the scenes' malarki.

About 2 or 3 years ago when the secondsout British forum was on britishboxing.co.uk (or .com don't remember) they started deleting threads relating to FW, I'm sure many of you remember that.

I was furious about it and thought it was outrageous censorship so I e-mailed them accusing them of being a front for SN and telling them I would write to Boxing News, newspapers, even the blinking BBC to tell people what was going on in this day and age.

Within an hour my phone at work rang (I mailed them from my work account) and the owner of britishboxing was on the other end asking if I minded joining in a conference call with his partner. They told me that it wouldn't be wise for me to carry out what I had threatened and I could suffer legal reprisals if I did so. I never established if they meant from them or another party but seeing as I really didn't care enough to go to the lengths of having my day in court I thought I would just leave it alone.

The feeling I got from talking to them was that they had nothing to do with SN but were being threatened by them, they kept saying 'if you knew what was going on' which now I look back on it sounds familiar!

Anyway, just thought I'd share that little experience with you all....

[get in the ring]

Spud & Lightsoot have a bloody hard job running that site.

As I said, the site is read by many within the boxing fraternity...and if they are not cautious the site would be up to it's eyeballs in legal matters. I've submitted articles early on that were apparently very controversial in content, and thus were not put up on the site for the sake of any possible legal action from the parties being discussed in the article.

It's a very thin line they have to tread upon, and if they weren't so strict and restricting they would be pi$$ed on by legal men wishing to press cases.

[Goz]

Spud & Lightsoot have a bloody hard job running that site.

As I said, the site is read by many within the boxing fraternity...and if they are not cautious the site would be up to it's eyeballs in legal matters. I've submitted articles early on that were apparently very controversial in content, and thus were not put up on the site for the sake of any possible legal action from the parties being discussed in the article.

It's a very thin line they have to tread upon, and if they weren't so strict and restricting they would be pi$$ed on by legal men wishing to press cases.

If that is the case then more people (i.e the general sporting public) should be made aware of it. As long as articles/threads are not spreading blatant mistruths and are just stating a matter of opinion then I don't see organisations like SN have much of a foot to stand on.

I've seen worse things said in national papers about footballers for example that go almost unoticed.

[Guest]

ask boxing news how many legal threats they have had. that goes for boxrec, secondsout and the majority of the newspapers. some of you have been very hasty. you have jumped the gun and blamed the wrong people.

ask boxrec

[Guest]

I never posted on Eastside, but I think you'll may know me from the rankings on Lightsoot's old ukboxingpress site.

I won't post here much because I post on another site, however I have to say I do agree with the consensus of views here. Lightsoot is a top bloke, and I'm still in contact with him over e-mail, but while I don't know the guy I think Spud missuses his power quite often.

Apparently a guy had a formal warning from "British Admin" when he said that he love to take the piss out of spud when Calzaghe Ko's Eastmann. He elected not to post there again.

The incident over the British Eastside site and ukboxingpress starting around the same time, when Spud was going to be an editor of ukboxingpress was something I thought was harsh. Especially when Lightsoot and the pocketrocket were posting on other websites plugging it (under their familiar names) and Spud (under a different name) replying I know a new British Site that is better, and you two post there. Check the boxingtalk archieves if you don't believe me.

I thought that was harsh and when British Eastside was devised as someone who had a little involvement (albeit minor, it was really on Ben "Lightsoot" doing I just volunteered to do one section) that was the time I thought no-way was I posting there. I don't know the ins and out and I'll keep any of the Lightsoots views he sent me to myself, if Lightsoot does read this I hope I haven't said anything that he's only told me. For me the invention of "British Eastside" was bang out of order, the posters should have helped Lightsoot on Ukboxingpress.

No disrespect to any of you guys, but I'm sure you all knew Spud was "British Admin" as soon as he started. Also I'm sure alot of people had this in mind when posting, I mean the last "confort zone" fighters thread - since British Admin, there was no mention of Eastman, surely he's is still the definition of the word "comfort zone". Robert McCraken is his best victory yet he's apparently the most worthy contendor for Hopkins out there. Also, we all knew he had contacts and respect him for that, but all this "I know", "I've heard a whisper", threatening to reavel posters names was just too much. I'm sure he's an okay guy, and as a poster he knows his stuff - just making him (or anyother poster with such passionate views) a moderator was wrong. It has become the Henesey PR job I'd fear it would come.

Also, British Eastside the website is just a glorified Henesey site (no disrespect to GITR - who's done some great work), but where the articles on Calzaghe, Hatton extra. Hatton announced his latest opponent, Starie has announced his retirement - no mention. Ukboxingpress had so much potential, cause it wasn't bias.

I wonder if he gave himself a warning for calling "Pig" a Bellend.

Like I said I'll only post here in bits (if there is a topic that interests me I'll contribute) as I like to stick to one board and I've already made my home. But, this beats Eastside.

[stujones]

ask boxing news how many legal threats they have had. that goes for boxrec, secondsout and the majority of the newspapers. some of you have been very hasty. you have jumped the gun and blamed the wrong people.

ask boxrec

Surely with regards to message boards a simple thing saying "Boxrec" will not hold any responsibility for the things you say, then the user has to agree to this disclaimer will be enough.

What people say on the message board shouldn't be the responsibility of the website, but of the individual poster if they sign a disclaimer saying this. Should anyone take offense by the post and want to take action, then surely they could get hold of the individual and sue them - not the site. Its not as if they're hard to get hold of. The have their e-mail, and the e-mail company should reveal their address if the police or solicitors ask for them.

By the way that was my post above I have seen the quality of ESB go down after the creation of "British Admin". Okay, so it might be neccessary, but maybe it might have been better if the head guy of Eastside appoint someone who was not involved, not even British. Maybe one of the more senisble guys (there are some) on the general forum. All they need to do is edit the language and delete the dodgy post. They don't need to threaten guys (and I'm sure Lightsoot hasn't done this at all) who just say they'll take the piss out of him when Calzaghe beat him, that's just banter, maybe Childish - but I wonder if Spud would have kept control if Eastman beat Calzaghe.

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All is fair in love and war!!

Let the games commence

[Goz]

Spud & Lightsoot have a bloody hard job running that site.

As I said, the site is read by many within the boxing fraternity...and if they are not cautious the site would be up to it's eyeballs in legal matters. I've submitted articles early on that were apparently very controversial in content, and thus were not put up on the site for the sake of any possible legal action from the parties being discussed in the article.

It's a very thin line they have to tread upon, and if they weren't so strict and restricting they would be pi$$ed on by legal men wishing to press cases.

They (ESB) are a bunch of over-sensitive tossers. I never said anything legally sensitive, just pointed out I disagreed with the banning of 2 posters and they banned me from the site.

There is a line between treading carefully legally and being an arsehole and yesterday they crossed it bigtime and in the process made an enemy out of me and I would guess quite a few others.

[scurlaruntings]

Good riddance to BOTH of you. Chin up boys.

lightsoot is ok i like him he seems ok to me.well at least he likes junior witter as do i

[scurlaruntings]

Spud & Lightsoot have a bloody hard job running that site.

As I said, the site is read by many within the boxing fraternity...and if they are not cautious the site would be up to it's eyeballs in legal matters. I've submitted articles early on that were apparently very controversial in content, and thus were not put up on the site for the sake of any possible legal action from the parties being discussed in the article.

It's a very thin line they have to tread upon, and if they weren't so strict and restricting they would be pi$$ed on by legal men wishing to press cases.

this much is very true.the site is huge within the boxing community.if not regulated properly i assume there ass`s would be on the line.though i still believe Spud needs to calm dwn a little bit.

[bennie]

Good riddance to BOTH of you. Chin up boys.

lightsoot is ok i like him he seems ok to me.well at least he likes junior witter as do i

Yeah, Ben's sound. Spud never bothered me either. Basically, I wasn't scared of him and I don't think he liked that.

[get in the ring]

Kiss and make up gents

You're all grown men, play nicely. Christ, I'm 17 and still called the 'kid' around here...

Seriously though, it would be great if something could be resolved...if not, well that's life I suppose.

[scurlaruntings]

Good riddance to BOTH of you. Chin up boys.

lightsoot is ok i like him he seems ok to me.well at least he likes junior witter as do i

Yeah, Ben's sound. Spud never bothered me either. Basically, I wasn't scared of him and I don't think he liked that.

i dnt think n e one is scared of him.i know for dam sure i aint scared of a guy i have never met except thorugh the pages of a forum.. BUT he has job to do be it right or wrong just leave him alone its better for the sake of peace n good posting.

[TT]

Now, now...

If you consider the amount of times you posted on the british forum, and all the good debates you had over there...then consider the fact that if Spud and lightsoot hadn't help the place to its feet the forum wouldn't have even existed.

No offence kid, but the British section was there before the S'Out exodus....

Posters like myself, Adamiw, Sean, Amazing_One, As Iron As, Animal Mofo, Evaluata and more were there before you.

Saying it wouldn't exist is a laugh....

You seem a clever bloke, and and must know Spud well...
Good to see you stick up in what you believe in...
I don't know he well enough to say what I think he is etc...


Just saying that the Brit forum was there before you lot went there
and it would of existed

[get in the ring]

That's fair enough TT, I know the forum was there before the SO lot invaded, but to be honest it wasn't in the kind of state it is/was now?

Seriously, the forum was a great place to discuss British boxing, and was viewed by many within the British boxing fraternity. No matter what you may think of Spud and Lightsoot, they were partly the reason it has been thriving for the past few months.

It had some really good posters there, interesting topics, and a lot of people with connections up to their eyeballs...not to mention guys like David Haye and Patrick J Maxwell posting there from time to time.

[scurlaruntings]

Now, now...

If you consider the amount of times you posted on the british forum, and all the good debates you had over there...then consider the fact that if Spud and lightsoot hadn't help the place to its feet the forum wouldn't have even existed.

No offence kid, but the British section was there before the S'Out exodus....

Posters like myself, Adamiw, Sean, Amazing_One, As Iron As, Animal Mofo, Evaluata and more were there before you.

Saying it wouldn't exist is a laugh....

You seem a clever bloke, and and must know Spud well...
Good to see you stick up in what you believe in...
I don't know he well enough to say what I think he is etc...


Just saying that the Brit forum was there before you lot went there
and it would of existed

animal mofo got banned for his racist threads on ESB

[TT]

That's fair enough TT, I know the forum was there before the SO lot invaded, but to be honest it wasn't in the kind of state it is/was now?

Seriously, the forum was a great place to discuss British boxing, and was viewed by many within the British boxing fraternity. No matter what you may think of Spud and Lightsoot, they were partly the reason it has been thriving for the past few months.

It had some really good posters there, interesting topics, and a lot of people with connections up to their eyeballs...not to mention guys like David Haye and Patrick J Maxwell posting there from time to time.

I hear you but I don't now who Spud and Lightsout are...

From what I have been told and make out.... Spud works for Hennessey and Bennie for Boxing News and thats where their differences start or something...

I agree it wasn't as busy but more sense was around. Since about 20 of us left and went to http://www.BoxingAddicts.com and http://www.BoxingTime.com its become more of a creche than a site to discuss the sport of boxing...

David Haye posts there?
We had Kirk Johnson posting there back last summer, its not unusual to have boxers scrolling or posting on websites. I knew he gave ESB a plug after his victory over Briggs...

BTW, what actually happened to S'Out?

Thanks

[scurlaruntings]

That's fair enough TT, I know the forum was there before the SO lot invaded, but to be honest it wasn't in the kind of state it is/was now?

Seriously, the forum was a great place to discuss British boxing, and was viewed by many within the British boxing fraternity. No matter what you may think of Spud and Lightsoot, they were partly the reason it has been thriving for the past few months.

It had some really good posters there, interesting topics, and a lot of people with connections up to their eyeballs...not to mention guys like David Haye and Patrick J Maxwell posting there from time to time.

I hear you but I don't now who Spud and Lightsout are...

From what I have been told and make out.... Spud works for Hennessey and Bennie for Boxing News and thats where their differences start or something...

I agree it wasn't as busy but more sense was around. Since about 20 of us left and went to http://www.BoxingAddicts.com and http://www.BoxingTime.com its become more of a creche than a site to discuss the sport of boxing...

David Haye posts there?
We had Kirk Johnson posting there back last summer, its not unusual to have boxers scrolling or posting on websites. I knew he gave ESB a plug after his victory over Briggs...

BTW, what actually happened to S'Out?

Thanks

haye posted a coupla of weeks ago.apparently seconds out got shut dwn dnt ask me y though

[stujones]

TT

Thats an excellent point you make there, Spud major line was when people disagreed with his moderating (everyone knew before he "came out") was without "British Admin" this site would exist. Well thanks TT for reminding everyone that it did exist long before the S/O invation.

Excellent point.


BTW, I never posted there basically because I thought having a bias admin was wrong and also because British Eastside as a website, in my opinion, came as a direct consequence and rival to another site that I made a limited contribution on. As a result the site closed. It was the spiteful nature that is was done that bugged me (I have mentioned on another thread). However, I check on the site everyday regularly - so have a fair idea what was going on.