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olguseun would be the most intriguing fight for Mccloskey but I think he'll fight kotelnik

at least we know now that we will get to see both Rogan and McCloskey fight! I can't see Kotelnik taking the fight on such short notice but I think Olusegan could happen.

if murray is serious about a khan figt he should be looking for a fight like this

it says rees is well away from 10st then what weight could he possibly be for a smaller light welterweight.

sweetscience wrote:if murray is serious about a khan figt he should be looking for a fight like this

sounds like you are referring to McCloskey as a stepping stone to Khan. Paul McCloskey is one of the most under-rated boxers out there and I would even go as far as saying that McCloskey beats Khan. If John Murray fought McCloskey on the 6th of November he would get schooled!

Deno1986 wrote:

sweetscience wrote:if murray is serious about a khan figt he should be looking for a fight like this

sounds like you are referring to McCloskey as a stepping stone to Khan. Paul McCloskey is one of the most under-rated boxers out there and I would even go as far as saying that McCloskey beats Khan. If John Murray fought McCloskey on the 6th of November he would get schooled!

Sorry mate but no chance McCloskey beats Khan or Murray for that matter.

teddy007 wrote:

Deno1986 wrote:

sweetscience wrote:if murray is serious about a khan figt he should be looking for a fight like this

sounds like you are referring to McCloskey as a stepping stone to Khan. Paul McCloskey is one of the most under-rated boxers out there and I would even go as far as saying that McCloskey beats Khan. If John Murray fought McCloskey on the 6th of November he would get schooled!

Sorry mate but no chance McCloskey beats Khan or Murray for that matter.

McCloskey beating Khan is just my opinion as I have seen alot more of McCloskey than most both as a amateur and pro and think he has what it takes to beat Khan.I can see why you say he has no chance of beating Khan but if everyone agreed we wouldnt have a forum!

As for Murray, he is an excellent lightweight and has an opportunity to do something in the division over the next year or two but I don't think he can step up to light-welter and take on someone of McCloskeys calibre at this moment. A lot of people forget Murray is only 24 and has plenty of time to start switching divisions. I have no doubt he will be a force in the lightwelter division but that time is not now and I still say McCloskey would school him.

Incidentally, Sky now plan to screen both McCloskey-TBA and Sam Sexton-Martin Rogan 2 from Belfast live on November 6, McCloskey first.

Thats a bloody good idea! I'd much rather see two good live fights (so what if they are at two different venues) than one live fight and all that highlights and prattle they normally do.

So how legit is M'Baye pull out......stinks from my sofa. But that could be my feet.

mac's obviously a good fighter, but i would not favour him vs khan and murray. khan to his credit holds m'baye's old title. murray has stopped numerous good light welters - thaxton (who holds win over scrap iron ryan, when he was commonwealth champ), mcallister (EBU champ at 140) and hickman (spotty record but 2 very nice wins at 140) - and is a very accomplished british champion.

BIGMARK wrote:does this mean Sky will show Sexton-Rogan 2 now?

they always intended to.

Deno1986 wrote:

sweetscience wrote:if murray is serious about a khan figt he should be looking for a fight like this

sounds like you are referring to McCloskey as a stepping stone to Khan. Paul McCloskey is one of the most under-rated boxers out there and I would even go as far as saying that McCloskey beats Khan. If John Murray fought McCloskey on the 6th of November he would get schooled![/quote

murray vs mccloskey would be a great fight but murray wins it for me+ think khan would win a very wide ud against mccloskey

BIGMARK wrote:

whicker wrote:

BIGMARK wrote:does this mean Sky will show Sexton-Rogan 2 now?

they always intended to.

i though it was the same night and Mbaye fight was going to be shown and Rogan - Sexton not? Sky have never said they were showing it.

They were going to do like a 50-50 slipt between venues.

Autobarn wrote:mac's obviously a good fighter, but i would not favour him vs khan and murray. khan to his credit holds m'baye's old title. murray has stopped numerous good light welters - thaxton (who holds win over scrap iron ryan, when he was commonwealth champ), mcallister (EBU champ at 140) and hickman (spotty record but 2 very nice wins at 140) - and is a very accomplished british champion.

Thaxton wasn't a good lightwelter apart from the Ryan KO he lost nearly every big fight he had at LWW hence why he dropped down to lightweight.

McAllister never won EBU belt at 140, WBU belt hardly counts for anything. He does his best work at 135.

Dean Hickman-an accomplished British champion he is not!Winning the Midlands Area Title twice does not make him an accomplished British Champion I'm afraid even if he does have a victory over Adnan who if I remember correctly was badly weight drained for that.

But that costs twice as much and they'll add less than 10% to the audience of the Rogan fight.

Its a shafting if you ask me.

Autobarn wrote:thaxton (who holds win over scrap iron ryan, when he was commonwealth champ),

That win was in 1996. Does that really count for much in 2009?

Autobarn wrote:mcallister (EBU champ at 140)

Do you mean the WBU champion? Because he was never the European champion.

Autobarn wrote:and hickman (spotty record but 2 very nice wins at 140)

Do you mean his wins over Adnan Amar (2004) and Gary Reid (2005)? Those wins are decent, not great.

DavidPayne wrote:But that costs twice as much and they'll add less than 10% to the audience of the Rogan fight.

Its a shafting if you ask me.

Who is being shafted?

whicker wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:But that costs twice as much and they'll add less than 10% to the audience of the Rogan fight.

Its a shafting if you ask me.

Who is being shafted?

I'm trying not to be drawn too far here. But perhaps it would be better ask, who gains?

DavidPayne wrote:I'm trying not to be drawn too far here. But perhaps it would be better ask, who gains?

The viewers?

Jason Cook, Ted Bami, David Barnes or Gavin Rees will surely be the replacement.

I'll tip Jason Cook being drafted in at short notice. Anyone with me?

BIGMARK wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:Jason Cook, Ted Bami, David Barnes or Gavin Rees will surely be the replacement.

I'll tip Jason Cook being drafted in at short notice. Anyone with me?

isnt Cook down for Prizefighter? if he is i cant see him dropping out to take this fight and that's if he's ready to fight

You can't see Cook accepting a no-lose European title shot in favour of hanging around for the lottery of Prizefighter? Even if he were to lose to McCloskey on points he could still take part in Prizefighter which would be 4 weeks later. He'll probably earn more cash too. Cookie famously won the EBU lightweight title as a late notice sub when he sparked Sandro Cassimonica in Italy after being down himself all those years ago.

Matchroom will still want to stage this show so the likelihood is they'll line one of their fighters up from Prizefighter to challenge McCloskey.

Ben Carey wrote:Even if he were to lose to McCloskey on points he could still take part in Prizefighter which would be 4 weeks later. He'll probably earn more cash too. Cookie famously won the EBU lightweight title as a late notice sub when he sparked Sandro Cassimonica in Italy after being down himself all those years ago.

Matchroom will still want to stage this show so the likelihood is they'll line one of their fighters up from Prizefighter to challenge McCloskey.

Could he take part in PrizeFighter if he gets knocked out? I would think that there is a very good chance of him getting stopped in this fight, if it happens.

Horse wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:Even if he were to lose to McCloskey on points he could still take part in Prizefighter which would be 4 weeks later. He'll probably earn more cash too. Cookie famously won the EBU lightweight title as a late notice sub when he sparked Sandro Cassimonica in Italy after being down himself all those years ago.

Matchroom will still want to stage this show so the likelihood is they'll line one of their fighters up from Prizefighter to challenge McCloskey.

Could he take part in PrizeFighter if he gets knocked out? I would think that there is a very good chance of him getting stopped in this fight, if it happens.

I'm sure Cook would take the Euro shot if offered it instead of hanging around for Prizefighter. He would have nothing to lose. Where does he go if he loses Prizeighter? Nowhere fast, that's for sure. But, yes, if he got KO'd by McCloskey almost certainly he'd be out of Prizefighter.

Cook's shelf life is limited, he's in his mid 30s, skint (that's why he's back) and injury prone. He's leap at the chance of taking on McCloskey because Jason can punch and McCloskey does take chances defensively. Cook's biggest battle would be to get down to 10st in time because he does "blow up" in-between fights. Anyway, it's all just idle speculation from me. The EBU might not even sanction Cook as a challenger though they make look favourably on him because he is a former European lightweight champion.

Deno1986 wrote:even if he does have a victory over Adnan who if I remember correctly was badly weight drained for that.

Adnan wasnt weight drained for that fight - his 'mistake' was to try to move away along the ropes with both hands by his waist. Dean timed him to perfection and cleaned his clock with probably the best left hook he ever threw. Adnan's head hit the canvas with a sickening thud. A well deserved win for Hickman which looks better and better given Adnan's improving recent fortunes.