Ali-Frazier I question....

[yancey]

In the FOTC, Ali had a definite swelling to the right side of his face/jaw area after the fight.

It has been a long time, but I've always assumed that swelling could basically be attributed to the Frazier left hook that put Ali down in rd 15.

Am I incorrect here?

Was the beginning of the swelling on Ali's right side becoming evident before the 15th and the knockdown punch?

[Ezzard]

I don't know...but Frazier hit him so often in that fight with the left. Could most likely have been cumulative.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

[raylawpc]

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

I am old enough that I saw the fight on closed circuit on March 8, 1971. The swelling was not noticible until after the 15th round knockdown, and I do not recall the commentators mentioning any swelling until that time.

[yancey]

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

I am old enough that I saw the fight on closed circuit on March 8, 1971. The swelling was not noticible until after the 15th round knockdown, and I do not recall the commentators mentioning any swelling until that time.

Yes, this is definitely how I also remember it.

[HomicideHenry]

Frazier's counter left hook after Ali threw uppercuts was very effective in that fight, thats for sure. If ANYONE ever did more damage to Ali with a single punch, though, I'd point more towards Ken Norton breaking Ali's jaw or Shavers in the 2nd round. Frazier, however, I believe caused the swelling because of many punches, not just one.

[raylawpc]

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

Doubt one punch did that. Look at the fight. Frazier is nailing him with lefts routinely.

Some of them were absolutely hellacious, at that.

I am old enough that I saw the fight on closed circuit on March 8, 1971. The swelling was not noticible until after the 15th round knockdown, and I do not recall the commentators mentioning any swelling until that time.

Yes, this is definitely how I also remember it.

Yancy, do you remember whether Dunphy specifically noted the swelling in Ali's jaw after the knockdown? As I think about it, I seem to remember Dunphy saying something about it as the 15th progressed, and him wondering aloud if Ali's jaw was broken . . . Unfortunately, I don't have the fight on tape or DVD to check. Maybe you remember?

[yancey]

I am old enough that I saw the fight on closed circuit on March 8, 1971. The swelling was not noticible until after the 15th round knockdown, and I do not recall the commentators mentioning any swelling until that time.[/quote]

Yes, this is definitely how I also remember it.[/quote]

Yancy, do you remember whether Dunphy specifically noted the swelling in Ali's jaw after the knockdown? As I think about it, I seem to remember Dunphy saying something about it as the 15th progressed, and him wondering aloud if Ali's jaw was broken . . . Unfortunately, I don't have the fight on tape or DVD to check. Maybe you remember?[/quote]




Can't say for sure, but I think Dunphy did say something about it.

[Collins2000]

Can't say for sure, but I think Dunphy did say something about it.

Can you check it out for us?

[yancey]

Can't say for sure, but I think Dunphy did say something about it.

Can you check it out for us?

I checked and Dunphy did NOT say anything about Ali's jaw during the 15th.

The right side of Ali's face did seem swollen, at least to me, in the latter part of the round, after the knockdown. I remember photos of Ali after the fight that definitely showed a swollen right side.

[Collins2000]

Can't say for sure, but I think Dunphy did say something about it.

Can you check it out for us?

I checked and Dunphy did NOT say anything about Ali's jaw during the 15th.

Thanks.

And it just shows that memory can be such an un-reliable thing.

[BoxBuzz]

probably because the tapes have been edited....don't you think?

[yancey]

"and it just shows that memory can be such an un-reliable thing" --- Collins


But I do remember quite well the sight of Ali getting knocked on his ass and the better man winning the fight that best represented the peak of each man as fighters and the fight that was without question the most important fight of each man's career, thank you.

[Collins2000]

"and it just shows that memory can be such an un-reliable thing" --- Collins


But I do remember quite well the sight of Ali getting knocked on his ass and the better man winning the fight that best represented the peak of each man as fighters and the fight that was without question the most important fight of each man's career, thank you.

One would almost think you consider Frazier to be the better fighter...

[Collins2000]

probably because the tapes have been edited....don't you think?

Shouldn't you be making yourself scarce in case a disagreement breaks out and you are expected to act like a man?

[Goodnight, Irene]

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Give it a try, Yance. It's surprisingly refreshing --- kind of akin to shoving a screaming kid into a sound-proof box & let him wet himself in irate defense of his deity. His trash offerings have recently attracted the attention (& ire) of reasonable heads above ours, so who knows? Perhaps it won't be long before he makes an oh-so-overdue departure.

Collins at work when Ali is in discussion --->

[BoxBuzz]

probably because the tapes have been edited....don't you think?

Shouldn't you be making yourself scarce in case a disagreement breaks out and you are expected to act like a man?

So if I brutally, violently and mercilessly wiped the floor with your sorry excuse for a humanoid skeletal structure, would you forgive my overly diplomatic tendencies? Or would that provide a basis for further disenchantment and alienation?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Careful what you wish for, Buzz. Don't you know he will, "meat you in person?"

:P

[BoxBuzz]

Careful what you wish for, Buzz. Don't you know he will, "meat you in person?"

:P

Baloney

[Collins2000]

Careful what you wish for, Buzz. Don't you know he will, "meat you in person?"

:P

Baloney

Buzz, I think the simple fat bitch is coming onto you again. Do it by PM this time will ya?

[Collins2000]

probably because the tapes have been edited....don't you think?

Shouldn't you be making yourself scarce in case a disagreement breaks out and you are expected to act like a man?

So if I brutally, violently and mercilessly wiped the floor with your sorry excuse for a humanoid skeletal structure, would you forgive my overly diplomatic tendencies? Or would that provide a basis for further disenchantment and alienation?

"Diplomatic tendencies" is now a euphemism for bottling out when a fight starts and waiting for that knuckle-dragging oaf AntonS to appear?



Stick to blowing kisses and talking like a clown to that fat demented bitch Irene.

[BoxBuzz]

Your right Collins. Back to the kisses it is. I find clowns to be good conversationalists. So put on your Bozo nose and I'll keep a sharp ear out.

[hhaehre]

Funny how things explode when the 'unmentionable' fight is mentioned.

[The Great John L]

"and it just shows that memory can be such an un-reliable thing" --- Collins


But I do remember quite well the sight of Ali getting knocked on his ass and the better man winning the fight that best represented the peak of each man as fighters and the fight that was without question the most important fight of each man's career, thank you.

One would almost think you consider Frazier to be the better fighter...

Certainly Frazier was the better fighter that night.

[Collins2000]

"and it just shows that memory can be such an un-reliable thing" --- Collins


But I do remember quite well the sight of Ali getting knocked on his ass and the better man winning the fight that best represented the peak of each man as fighters and the fight that was without question the most important fight of each man's career, thank you.

One would almost think you consider Frazier to be the better fighter...

Certainly Frazier was the better fighter that night.

And overall?