British Top 30 P4P December 2009

[Horse]

1. (3.) David Haye
2. (1.) Ricky Hatton
3. (2.) Carl Froch
4. (4.) Amir Khan
5. (8.) Rendall Munroe
6. (5.) Clinton Woods
7. (6.) Junior Witter
8. (7.) Bernard Dunne (Irish)
9. (9.) Ryan Rhodes
10. (10.) Matthew Macklin

11. (11.) Nicky Cook
12. (12.) John Murray
13. (13.) Nathan Cleverly
14. (14.) Jamie Moore
15. (15.) Kell Brook
16. (16.) Ian Napa
17. (21.) Darren Barker
18. (30.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
19. (20.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
20. (17.) Alex Arthur

21. (18.) Kevin Mitchell
22. (26.) Sam Sexton
23. (22.) Anthony Small
24. (19.) Jason Booth
25. (23.) Ajose Olusegan
26. (NE.) Andy Lee (Irish)
27. (24.) Enzo Maccarinelli
28. (25.) John Simpson
29. (27.) John Duddy (Irish)
30. (28.) Martin Rogan (Irish)

Out - (29.) Gavin Rees

[Horse]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

[Lenny]

Bit late this morning Horse

[oliverfennell]

Woods has retired

[Finch]

Bit late this morning Horse

Was gonna post the same, was bang on the nose last month!

Napa too high, Barker above him. Mitchell too low too.

[nh1]

Woods has retired

Horse's rules keep people in who say they've retired for a set period--is it 6 months or so before they disappear, Horse?

Suggest you also summarize your rules at the end of your list each month to remind people.

I know some people have moaned about these P4P lists, but I like seeing them every month...

[alexpaterson]

As always good job

I personally would have Dunne higher than Munroe he has achieved more lately imo also Booth a bit higher

[Horse]

Bit late this morning Horse

I was too tired to stay up, so I thought that I would post it later in the morning after I had some sleep.

I am sorry for the delay.

[Horse]

Woods has retired

Yes, I plan to take him off the list after he has been inactive for a longer period.

[Des1]

Def should have Mitchell above cook..(No.11?? ) but dont think Cook should be this high. And Darren Barker should be higher.

[whiskey]

Alex Arthur is not top 30 imo.

Otherwise fairly solid list.

[GazMan85]

Personally would have Booth a little higher. But otherwise a good list.

[taffytoon]

I would have Cleverly higher but I am Welsh so Biased

[Hagler2002]

Bit baffled to how Hatton can be above Froch :??

[Horse]

Bit late this morning Horse

Was gonna post the same, was bang on the nose last month!

Hopefully, I will celebrate the dawn of the new year by posting January's P4P Top 30 at midnight.

Napa too high, Barker above him. Mitchell too low too.

If Barker had beaten Elcock then he would most likely have gone above Napa and maybe a bit higher. However, I didn't think that a win over Butler warranted a large jump up the rankings.

Mitchell's only decent win in the last 18 months is against Estrada, who has now lost 7 of his last 9 fights and has been stopped in the 1st round of his last 3. If Mitchell beats Prescott this month then he will climb a good number of places, but at the moment I think he is about where he should be in the rankings.

[Finch]

Fair enough, i just don't rate Napa that highly. It's all opinion anyway.

Glad you got Haye above Froch though now.

[whiskey]

I think Froch and Haye are tied for top spot right now.

Froch has the main belt in perhaps one of the deepest divisions in the sport right now.

He is unbeaten, just picked up fighter of the year and fight of the year at the British Boxing Board of Control's annual bash.

When it comes to 'titles', Haye is the winner, having gotten the WBA, WBO and WBC cruiser titles and now a WBA title at Heavy, that commands respect.

Haye's achievements are exciting and great for the UK. But can't help but feel the biggest scalps on his record are questionable. This is not Haye's fault obviously as they were seen as the 'big fights' at the time.

Enzo has been knocked out in 2 of his last 3 following Haye. Mormeck aint fought since and was knocked out just a couple of fights before Haye. Barrett has just been knocked out quicker by Solis and lost 3 of his previous 6 (2 by KO) and then the Beast, who eeked out a split over Ruiz and an alleged King-style robbery over Holyfield.

I know case can be made for Froch's wins too. Taylor, whilst a highly decorated middleweight and coming off a 119-109 win over Lacy, had lost his previous 2 to Pavlik. But Pascal has captured a WBC title and Dirrell was a tricky, top rated unbeaten Olympian.

I think Haye has achieved more on the titles front, but Froch has had the tougher opposition to date and has come through unbeaten.

thoughts?

[slapbangwhallop]

no room at the inn for Andrew Murray or John O'Donnell?

[Horse]

Horse's rules keep people in who say they've retired for a set period--is it 6 months or so before they disappear, Horse?

It is up to 12 months after their last fight.

Suggest you also summarize your rules at the end of your list each month to remind people.

I will think about that.

I know some people have moaned about these P4P lists, but I like seeing them every month...

Thank you, nh1.

[Horse]

As always good job

Thanks.

I personally would have Dunne higher than Munroe he has achieved more lately imo also Booth a bit higher

Dunne has achieved more than Munroe, but Dunne has just been destroyed in three rounds by Kratingdaenggym whereas Munroe has just won a WBC title eliminator against Maludrottu.

I also wanted to start moving Woods and Witter down the rankings as Woods has retired and Witter hasn't had any good wins for a while. So, I thought that I would move Munroe ahead for now, and if Dunne gets a decent comeback win then maybe he can move ahead of Munroe again.


Booth fell 5 places this month, because of Barker, McCloskey, Lindsay, Sexton and Small overtaking him. If he had fought this month then he may well have stayed ahead of these fighters instead of falling below them. These fighters are all roughly at the same level at the moment, so the ones who have fought most recently will most likely be higher in the list.

[Horse]

Def should have Mitchell above cook..(No.11?? ) but dont think Cook should be this high. And Darren Barker should be higher.

Cook was WBO champion earlier in the year, so he is still highly ranked because of that. Alex Arthur has fallen 7 places in the last 2 months, and if Cook doesn't have a comeback fight against a decent opponent soon then something similar is likely to happen to him as well.

Mitchell has not beaten anyone decent in over a year, so I don't feel he deserves to be any higher than he is at the moment.

Every fighter ranked above Barker has beaten a better fighter than Barker has. If Barker fought better opposition then it would be easier for me to rank him higher. I think a 4 place jump up the rankings for beating Butler is fairly generous.

[Horse]

Alex Arthur is not top 30 imo.

Alex Arthur was a British, Commonwealth, European and WBO champion at Super Featherweight. He has not had a significant win in quite a while, but I don't think it was so long ago that he should no longer be in the top 30.

If he loses to Nigel Wright this Saturday then he will probably lose his place in the top 30.

Otherwise fairly solid list.

Thank you.

[Deno1986]

I know some people have moaned about these P4P lists, but I like seeing them every month...

X2

[Horse]

Personally would have Booth a little higher.

I think I read somewhere that he is mandatory for the European title. If he is then he will have a very good opportunity to climb up a lot of places.

But otherwise a good list.

[Horse]

I would have Cleverly higher but I am Welsh so Biased

If he wins the European title against Brancalion in January then he will be highly likely to enter the top 10.