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How many British boxers can rightly have said to have held the title of No1 p4p in the world?

I imagine Calzaghe last held the title (as it were) when he beat BHOP.

I'm just wondering how many other British boxers have been regarded as p4p No.1 at some stage.

Lennox Lewis was probably close enough but whether he was at the top I don't know. Naz was probably there or there abouts too.

When Ken Buchanan went over to Puerto Rico to defeat Ismael Laguna he must of been up there.

Lewis for sure was no 1, cannot say any others. Naz was amazing though around the time of the Vazquez win

None in my eyes.

The quiet man 2004 wrote:None in my eyes.

x 2.

None, unless we go back to Jimmy Wilde.

The names above have been top 5, maybe top 3 but none have been undisputed number 1 in my eyes.

bob fitzsimmons.

Smally Big Plums wrote:How many British boxers can rightly have said to have held the title of No1 p4p in the world?

I imagine Calzaghe last held the title (as it were) when he beat BHOP.

I'm just wondering how many other British boxers have been regarded as p4p No.1 at some stage.

Calzaghe was never pound for pound king. Even after beating Hopkins, the vast majority of people still had Pacquiao as number one, and in my opinion Calzaghe didn't have a strong argument to challenge that position.

crusader wrote:

Smally Big Plums wrote:How many British boxers can rightly have said to have held the title of No1 p4p in the world?

I imagine Calzaghe last held the title (as it were) when he beat BHOP.

I'm just wondering how many other British boxers have been regarded as p4p No.1 at some stage.

Calzaghe was never pound for pound king. Even after beating Hopkins, the vast majority of people still had Pacquiao as number one, and in my opinion Calzaghe didn't have a strong argument to challenge that position.

id disagree , i dont think the majority would have said pacman till more recently , i think mayweather would have been most peoples choice at the end of calzaghes time .

None IMO, then again P4P rankings are entirely debatable.

damianhucker1 wrote:

crusader wrote:

Smally Big Plums wrote:How many British boxers can rightly have said to have held the title of No1 p4p in the world?

I imagine Calzaghe last held the title (as it were) when he beat BHOP.

I'm just wondering how many other British boxers have been regarded as p4p No.1 at some stage.

Calzaghe was never pound for pound king. Even after beating Hopkins, the vast majority of people still had Pacquiao as number one, and in my opinion Calzaghe didn't have a strong argument to challenge that position.

id disagree , i dont think the majority would have said pacman till more recently , i think mayweather would have been most peoples choice at the end of calzaghes time .

Wasn't Mayweather in retirement though? At the end of 2008 the top 5[according to Liverpuncher.com-similiar to the ring] were:

1. Pacquaio
2. Calzaghe
3. JM Marquez
4. Vazquez
5. Margarito

If Calzaghe wasn't No.1 at this stage he never was.

damianhucker1 wrote:

crusader wrote:

Smally Big Plums wrote:How many British boxers can rightly have said to have held the title of No1 p4p in the world?

I imagine Calzaghe last held the title (as it were) when he beat BHOP.

I'm just wondering how many other British boxers have been regarded as p4p No.1 at some stage.

Calzaghe was never pound for pound king. Even after beating Hopkins, the vast majority of people still had Pacquiao as number one, and in my opinion Calzaghe didn't have a strong argument to challenge that position.

id disagree , i dont think the majority would have said pacman till more recently , i think mayweather would have been most peoples choice at the end of calzaghes time .

When Calzaghe peaked in most peoples pound for pound rankings Mayweather was in retirement and Pacquiao was the overwhelming pick for #1 pound for pound. #2 usually varied on the majority of lists between JMM or Calzaghe

Here's one who certainly will:

http://www.mtgillick.yuku.com/

Jock McAvoy, mid-late 30s was the most feared MW in the world.

denied a shot at the world's MW title, had one at L-HW against no less a fighter than J H Lewis and was the ONLY fighter ranked in the world's top 10 by the Ring at both MW and L-HW, 1938.

they never used that term then but McAvoy was in fact that at his weight, MW.

Lennox

What about Honeyghan after Curry?

Mick the Mechanic wrote:What about Honeyghan after Curry?

This was at the time Chavez and Hagler were around to name a few so I would say they both would have definitely been ahead of Honeyghan at this time and I would say a few others were too.

stujones wrote:

The quiet man 2004 wrote:None in my eyes.

x 2.

X3

to say Lennox was P4P ... the top heavyweight maybe ... def never the best P4P
Naz cannot really have been regarded as the best at his weight. Go through his record, and you`ll see lots of old fighters with past good reps. The 1st real test he had .. he lost. Some will argue that of course . But what great fighter did he beat that was at their best?

I`ve said it before .. so will say it again. Britain has never produced a fighter/boxer on par with a Roy Jones jr./ODLH, JC Chavez, Azum Nelson, Mayweather, Pacman, BHop etc :(

tonyevs wrote:I`ve said it before .. so will say it again. Britain has never produced a fighter/boxer on par with a Roy Jones jr./ODLH, JC Chavez, Azum Nelson, Mayweather, Pacman, BHop etc

you must obviously be talking about greatness by achievement - which is far from greatest in competition, one vs the other...

in the course of boxing history (british), by their individual weight classes, ALL of these fighters could have been beaten by plenty of british fighters!

Mick the Mechanic wrote:What about Honeyghan after Curry?

No, Curry was overhyped by the yanks, he was a very good fighter but he was never the "New Sugar Ray" like they claimed and he was certainly not the best fighter in the world P4P at a time when Hagler, Hearns and Chavez were around.

jimglen wrote:
in the course of boxing history (british), by their individual weight classes, ALL of these fighters could have been beaten by plenty of british fighters!

Care to name me a British guy at the weight who could have beaten any of the names I listed? I can think of none

well a look at the "Fabulous Floyd", a LW cum WW, in the past he would have been fighting as a WW cum MW - for starters!
Anyhow lets just look at the great little LW cum WW Eric Boon, whom in 1948 when at the end of his career goes a beauty against French great Robert Villimain and this is Fight of the year!

Villimain a couple of years later scares the _uck out of our all-time great MW's and is defo one of the greats at the weight!!

Boon was well past it and among some of the lads that gave him hell was his rival Arthur Danahar, now two great little fighters, Still not Britain's best at the weight and the next 3 kick Money's little ass!!!

Ted kid Lewis
Jackie kid Berg
Ernie Roderick

History IS A LONG time and the great fighters of the Greatest periods are by far the more superior bunch...
too many greats over the years to be discounted by Modern Hype and Media _ullshit and especially from one of the weakest periods in the sports long history!

jimglen wrote:well a look at the "Fabulous Floyd", a LW cum WW, in the past he would have been fighting as a WW cum MW - for starters!
Anyhow lets just look at the great little LW cum WW Eric Boon, whom in 1948 when at the end of his career goes a beauty against French great Robert Villimain and this is Fight of the year!

Villimain a couple of years later scares the _uck out of our all-time great MW's and is defo one of the greats at the weight!!

Boon was well past it and among some of the lads that gave him hell was his rival Arthur Danahar, now two great little fighters, Still not Britain's best at the weight and the next 3 kick Money's little ass!!!

Ted kid Lewis
Jackie kid Berg
Ernie Roderick

History IS A LONG time and the great fighters of the Greatest periods are by far the more superior bunch...
too many greats over the years to be discounted by Modern Hype and Media _ullshit and especially from one of the weakest periods in the sports long history!

You totally lost me mate - does this mean you can`t put forward a British boxer/fighter who could have beaten any of the names in my list?

I believe that's 5.