Bowe V

[Grimm]

Marciano

Patterson

Lewis

Frazier

Tyson

Foreman

Liston

Holmes

[ThatOne]

Marciano W

Patterson W

Lewis L

Frazier L

Tyson W

Foreman L

Liston W

Holmes L

[manage a troix]

Marciano - bowe inside 10.

Patterson - bowe inside 4.

Lewis - i don't know , but i consider lewis the favorite because of their amateur fight and because unlike bowe (chicken) , lewis has proofed himself against men his own size and even somewhat bigger (grant , golota , vitali klitschko , briggs , tucker , biggs , akiwande)

Frazier - bowe definitely wins , and inside 12 , remember foreman ? bowe is even bigger and a better infighter (remember holyfield who is bigger than frazier)

Tyson - prime for prime i believe bowe could win , should be considered the favorite because of his size
advantage here.

Foreman - tough question , i don't know , but i tend to slightly favor bowe.

Liston - bowe wins , probably even by a stoppage inside 12.

Holmes - i think bowe pulls a narrow decision here.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Bowe W TKO9 Marciano

Bowe W KO4 Patterson

Bowe W KO7 Lewis

Bowe L TKO13 Frazier

Bowe L KO5 Tyson

Bowe L TKO3 Foreman

Bowe L TKO6 Liston

Bowe L UD15 Holmes

3-5-0, 3 KO's

Very tough to call was Bowe-Frazier, I could see either man winning that one. Might even come down to which corner Futch is in. I had Bowe losing to Holmes as well, but that's a fight in which I would give him a pretty damn good chance of swinging the upset. Bowe, on his best night, was twice the fighter anyone Holmes defeated during his championship reign. Beyond that, he was just way, way too hittable to beat the super-punchers, like Liston, Foreman & Tyson.

[dempseyfire]

I don't regard Bowe as highly as some . . .completly over-rated based on one great performance (Evander I) vs an overconfident opponent fighting a stupid fight. He would've gotten KTFO by Evander in their rubber match if Holyfield hadn't entered the ring with the Ebola virus.

Loses to all of them best for best. Is live vs Patterson and Lennox.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Patterson is going to survive Bowe's bombs!? He needs to at some point, because he doesn't have the elusiveness to stay away completely, nor the power to blow Bowe out early. It's a terrible fight. Bowe would plough through him.

[jezzamundo]

If Bowe performs like he did against Holyfield, he could aguably beat all of these men. However, I think these are the more likely outcomes:

Marciano KO8 Bowe - I don't think this goes 15, if Bowe doesn't get caught he stops Rocky on cuts.

Bowe TKO6 Patterson

Lewis TKO7 Bowe

Frazier TKO9 Bowe - Both men down.

Tyson KO5 Bowe

Foreman KO6 Bowe - Both men down.

Liston TKO8 Bowe

Holmes SD15 Bowe - close fight, Bowe wins 1 of 3 and they always go the distance.

[Ezzard]

Going by the very best of Bowe.

I think he beats Paterson.

He has close but losing fights with Marciano and Frazier.

He loses in close fights to Liston and Holmes. He’d give them a lot of problems but they have too much for him.

Foreman and Tyson would be great opponents. Bowe has the skills, size and durability to make them work hard and frustrate them. Whilst these guys are higher up the ATG rankings I think he might just have the edge on them.

[Goodnight, Irene]

He was just flat-out too hittable for me to support him beating the best versions of Foreman or Tyson. They'd het him out of there. Bowe had a decent (not outstanding) chin & the heart of a hero, but that isn't enough to beat guys like this when you're so wide-open.

[Tuff Customer]

Bowe cleans every clock on that cabinet. Unbeatable at his best.

[dempseyfire]

Bowe is probably the most over-rated heavyweight of the past 25 years . . . .

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyson would be in hell against Riddick. Bowe was a better infighter than Tyson and not by a small margin. That fight would make Douglas feel like the happy ending from a massage.

[Jaywheel]

He was clueless (heard that word before? ) against Golota. And he's gonna hold the 1987 version of Tyson back with his inside fighting? Don't see it happening. Yes he was a big fella, but to think that prime Liston, Tyson, Foreman and Frazier lose to him!!! Anything can happen but to say it is the most likely scenario is something I can't see.

[Syntax Error]

I don't know how anybody can pick Bowe over Lewis.

Bowe had the tools to beat the 1993 (when they should have fought), reckless, Right hand happy Lewis, but not the temperament.

He was terrified of Lennox Lewis & that would have meant almost certain defeat, then he would have had even less chance againt the more cautious & methodical Lewis of 1995 onwards.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He was clueless (heard that word before? ) against Golota. And he's gonna hold the 1987 version of Tyson back with his inside fighting? Don't see it happening. Yes he was a big fella, but to think that prime Liston, Tyson, Foreman and Frazier lose to him!!! Anything can happen but to say it is the most likely scenario is something I can't see.

He was finished when he fought Golota, the wars with Holyfield diminished Bowe tremendously. That's akin to me saying Tyson was clueless against Danny Williams. A puncher of Mike's caliber can't be ruled out but I definitely see a Bowe stoppage as the most likely scenario. Mike would have a hard time getting past that jab and when he did he would be inside with a superior infighter. Not a good style match up for Tyson. Bowe could come in intimidated and that was as big of a part of Tyson as any skill.

[MEISINGER]

Bowe is probably the most over-rated heavyweight of the past 25 years . . . .

i agree 100%

[Adamj1987]

Marciano W

Patterson W

Lewis L

Frazier W

Tyson W (pre bruno1) L (post bruno 1)

Foreman L

Liston W

Holmes L

[dempseyfire]

He was clueless (heard that word before? ) against Golota. And he's gonna hold the 1987 version of Tyson back with his inside fighting? Don't see it happening. Yes he was a big fella, but to think that prime Liston, Tyson, Foreman and Frazier lose to him!!! Anything can happen but to say it is the most likely scenario is something I can't see.

He was finished when he fought Golota, the wars with Holyfield diminished Bowe tremendously. That's akin to me saying Tyson was clueless against Danny Williams. A puncher of Mike's caliber can't be ruled out but I definitely see a Bowe stoppage as the most likely scenario. Mike would have a hard time getting past that jab and when he did he would be inside with a superior infighter. Not a good style match up for Tyson. Bowe could come in intimidated and that was as big of a part of Tyson as any skill.

Bowe's jab was nothing special . . .Tyson had gotten inside better and quicker left hands than Riddicks'. It wouldn't matter if Bowe was a superior inside fighter . . so was Tony Tubbs (who beat Bowe in my opinion) but Mike was so much quicker and got such better leverage on his shots; if Bowe wants to trade shorts shots with a prime Tyson he's going home early. Bowe's defense was AWFUL. People are bringing up Buster Douglas but Buster Douglas's footwork and defense were far superior to Bowe. He wouldn't be neutralizing Tyson like Buster did at all . . it'd be more of a slugging match and Riddick loses that fight 9/10.
If Holyfield had been healthy in the rubber match their series would be 2-1 Evander and Bowe's status wouldn't be nearly so high. Hepatitis Holyfield was a dead man in there and still had Bowe a punch away from a knockout in that fight, BADLY hurt.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

There is no doubt that a healthy Holyfield wins that fight. But Tyson would never be able to beat Evander once. Who had a better jab than Bowe that Tyson dealt with? I get it, you don't like Bowe. But lets not pretend he was Jose Ribalta either.

Agreed that it's a slugging match, one that Bowe was well equipped to dominate. If Tyson wins, it would be early. Riddick would be stronger late.

[ben geoghegan]

Marciano KO7

Patterson, Bowe TKO6

Lewis KO7

Frazier, Bowe W12

Tyson, Bowe TKO10

Foreman, Bowe W12

Liston, Draw

Holmes W12

[Collins2000]

[Ezzard]

I agree that Bowe is overrated but I also think that he matches up really well with Tyson. He was durable, had a great jab when he could be bothere to use it and was a tremendous inside fighter. He lacked focus in the ring and often left fight plans in the dressing room but I think him and Tyson is a close run thing.

[Goodnight, Irene]

One look at the left hook which left him absolutely falling about the ring from Holyfield --- not half the puncher Tyson was --- is enough for me.

With a better defense, he had attributes to beat Tyson. As it stands, he can't take the heat.

[jrc26]

Bowe is probably the most over-rated heavyweight of the past 25 years . . . .

Then what does that make Holyfield, who he beat 2 out of 3? Holyfield's heavyweight record is 25-10-2 and as far as I am concerned there is no way on this planet he beat Oquendo or had a draw against Lewis..which makes him 24-12-1. Sorry, but I don't care who you beat in those 24 or 25 wins, great ones don't have a record like that. He was a great cruiserweight and a tough as nails heavyweight, but overrated.

When Eddie Futch calls Bowe the most talented heavyweight he ever trained then I tend to go with his opinion. Considering he trained Frazier, Norton, Holmes, and many others.

To be overrated people have to put you on some sort of greatest of all time list or talk about him as a great. I have never heard anyone say Bowe was great. People all say he was incredibly talented and wasted much of that talent by being lazy. That is a fair assessment and therefor he isn't "overrated".

Holyfield is overrated. People do talk about him like an all-time 10 or 15 heavyweight. He wouldn't beat anyone on that list with the possible exception of Tyson in his prime, but even then I don't think that was a given.

[dempseyfire]

Bowe is probably the most over-rated heavyweight of the past 25 years . . . .

Then what does that make Holyfield, who he beat 2 out of 3? Holyfield's heavyweight record is 25-10-2 and as far as I am concerned there is no way on this planet he beat Oquendo or had a draw against Lewis..which makes him 24-12-1. Sorry, but I don't care who you beat in those 24 or 25 wins, great ones don't have a record like that. He was a great cruiserweight and a tough as nails heavyweight, but overrated.

When Eddie Futch calls Bowe the most talented heavyweight he ever trained then I tend to go with his opinion. Considering he trained Frazier, Norton, Holmes, and many others.

To be overrated people have to put you on some sort of greatest of all time list or talk about him as a great. I have never heard anyone say Bowe was great. People all say he was incredibly talented and wasted much of that talent by being lazy. That is a fair assessment and therefor he isn't "overrated".

Holyfield is overrated. People do talk about him like an all-time 10 or 15 heavyweight. He wouldn't beat anyone on that list with the possible exception of Tyson in his prime, but even then I don't think that was a given.

The fact that you'll talk about Evander's HW record post:Lewis II says it all . . .it's like downgrading Charles for all his losses post-Marciano.

Plus most had him beating Ruiz in their 3rd fight and many Lennox in the rematch. And as I stated before in their rubber match it showed clearly that if Evander hadn't come into the fight sick as a dog he would've knocked Bowe out, and as it stands he came very close to doing so anyway.

Bowe to me had one great performance in the first Holyfield fight vs an Evander who thought Riddick would dog it like he had in their sparring and stupidly chose to slug it out with Bowe from the 2nd round on. Other then that he has his blowouts of your Fergusons, Seldons and Gonzales, his gift decision vs Tubbs, and his two beatings vs the mentally unstable nutcracker Golota. I'll take Evander's pedigree with wins over Riddick, Tyson, Dokes, Foreman, Holmes, Mercer, Moorer, Rahman and debatable win vs Lewis in the rematch ANYDAY over Bowe's protected career.

Not over-rated? People are picking Bowe over Liston and Frazier in this thread, and I often hear his name mentioned as a top 15 HW. That to me is very over-rated. I agree Holyfield is over-rated by some but he's a legit top 15er in objective eyes. Bowe is MAYBE top 25 being generous.