Sugar Ray Rob v Joey Maxim

[funso banjo baby]

Robinson moves up to light heavy and is stopped late by Joey Maxim in sweltering heat. Apparently the ref collapsed and was replaced.

ive never seem this fight but ive always wondered what happend ...it sounds classic stuff

[granberry]

Robinson found he did not have a knockout punch when he fought a good 175 pounder like Maxim.

Robinson fought like a wildman, throwing bunches of his hardest punches, and wore himself out long before the fifteen rounds were over.

A bad fight plan by Robinson.

When Robinson started to go downhill Maxim manhandled him in the last rounds.

That's why they have weight classes in boxing.

Notice that Robinson never went near another 175 pounder.

In comparison with Robinson, Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, and Mickey Walker all did better than Robinson against 175 pounders and even bigger.

Tony Zale fought Billy Conn in Conn's very next fight after Conn gave heavyweight Joe Louis a great fight

and after feeling middleweight Zale's body shots in the first round Conn stayed at a distance the rest of the fight and won by boxing at long range against his smaller, shorter and lighter opponent.

Greb beat Gene Tunney and a number of heavyweights.

Walker fought a draw with Jack Sharkey, won a decision over heavyweight Johhny Risko, knocked out Mike McTigue in the first round, won a decision over Paul Berlenbach and lost a split decision to Tommy Loughran for the 175 lb. title.

Ketchel knocked out Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, beat several mediocre heavyweights, and fought Sam Langford and Jack Johnson.

Robinson falls well short of what they did in fighting good opponents bigger than 160.

[TheGreatA]

You can view the whole fight in good quality here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItB-BudS64w

[TheGreatA]

Robinson found he did not have a knockout punch when he fought a good 175 pounder like Maxim.

Robinson fought like a wildman, throwing bunches of his hardest punches, and wore himself out long before the fifteen rounds were over.

A bad fight plan by Robinson.

When Robinson started to go downhill Maxim manhandled him in the last rounds.

That's why they have weight classes in boxing.

Notice that Robinson never went near another 175 pounder.

In comparison with Robinson, Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, and Mickey Walker all did better than Robinson against 175 pounders and even bigger.

Tony Zale fought Billy Conn in Conn's very next fight after Conn gave heavyweight Joe Louis a great fight

and after feeling middleweight Zale's body shots in the first round Conn stayed at a distance the rest of the fight and won by boxing at long range against his smaller, shorter and lighter opponent.

Greb beat Gene Tunney and a number of heavyweights.

Walker fought a draw with Jack Sharkey, won a decision over heavyweight Johhny Risko, knocked out Mike McTigue in the first round, won a decision over Paul Berlenbach and lost a split decision to Tommy Loughran for the 175 lb. title.

Ketchel knocked out Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, beat several mediocre heavyweights, and fought Sam Langford and Jack Johnson.

Robinson falls well short of what they did in fighting good opponents bigger than 160.

Keep in mind that after an amateur career as a featherweight, Robinson started his pro career as a lightweight and defeated title holder Sammy Angott in a non-title bout at 135 lbs, reigned as the welterweight champion and won the middleweight title 5 times. To come as close as he did to winning the LHW title is proof of his greatness.

[Brutu]

It was just as hot in that ring(104 degrees) for Maxim as it was for Robinson.
Also Maxim had 16 more pounds to haul around it.

[granberry]

Robinson found he did not have a knockout punch when he fought a good 175 pounder like Maxim.

Robinson fought like a wildman, throwing bunches of his hardest punches, and wore himself out long before the fifteen rounds were over.

A bad fight plan by Robinson.

When Robinson started to go downhill Maxim manhandled him in the last rounds.

That's why they have weight classes in boxing.

Notice that Robinson never went near another 175 pounder.

In comparison with Robinson, Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, and Mickey Walker all did better than Robinson against 175 pounders and even bigger.

Tony Zale fought Billy Conn in Conn's very next fight after Conn gave heavyweight Joe Louis a great fight

and after feeling middleweight Zale's body shots in the first round Conn stayed at a distance the rest of the fight and won by boxing at long range against his smaller, shorter and lighter opponent.

Greb beat Gene Tunney and a number of heavyweights.

Walker fought a draw with Jack Sharkey, won a decision over heavyweight Johhny Risko, knocked out Mike McTigue in the first round, won a decision over Paul Berlenbach and lost a split decision to Tommy Loughran for the 175 lb. title.

Ketchel knocked out Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, beat several mediocre heavyweights, and fought Sam Langford and Jack Johnson.

Robinson falls well short of what they did in fighting good opponents bigger than 160.

Keep in mind that after an amateur career as a featherweight, Robinson started his pro career as a lightweight and defeated title holder Sammy Angott in a non-title bout at 135 lbs, reigned as the welterweight champion and won the middleweight title 5 times. To come as close as he did to winning the LHW title is proof of his greatness.

Robinson "coming close" to winning the lightheavyweight title:

[granberry]

Joey Maxim didn't just land a left hook here.

Actually he blew some hot air in Robinson's face

and THAT is why Robinson appears to be so badly staggered.

[granberry]

Another photo of Robinson 'beating' Maxim:

[granberry]

Robinson demonstrating his superiority to Joey Maxim:

[Goodnight, Irene]

Pathetic. An inquisitive thread roundly trashed by BoxRec's self-proclaimed, "inside man."

[TheGreatA]

Scorecards at the time of the stoppage:

10-3, 9-3-1, and 7-3-3, all in favour of Robinson.

Maxim's own words:

"The heat favoured me tonight", he said. "I would be a real dummy not to know he was way ahead."

Maxim added: "I thought he was giving me the 'dead man' act in the 13th. I was not sure at all that he was all in although I noticed him starting to soften up in the 11th round."

Asked why he had not throw more punches at the dancing, jabbing Robinson, Maxim replied simply: "I just couldn't get at him."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7i ... %2C6316272

I'd say that's very close to winning the light heavyweight title. I didn't say he won it.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Scorecards at the time of the stoppage:

10-3, 9-3-1, and 7-3-3, all in favour of Robinson.

Maxim's own words:

"The heat favoured me tonight", he said. "I would be a real dummy not to know he was way ahead."

Maxim added: "I thought he was giving me the 'dead man' act in the 13th. I was not sure at all that he was all in although I noticed him starting to soften up in the 11th round."

Asked why he had not throw more punches at the dancing, jabbing Robinson, Maxim replied simply: "I just couldn't get at him."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7i ... %2C6316272

I'd say that's very close to winning the light heavyweight title. I didn't say he won it.

Logic & Granberry don't mix.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It was just as hot in that ring(104 degrees) for Maxim as it was for Robinson.
Also Maxim had 16 more pounds to haul around it.

A factor, yes, but that's weight Maxim was accustomed to, & Robinson was not. Do not under-estimate the difference that makes.

[granberry]

Mickey Walker fought a 15 round draw with Jack Sharkey.

He didn't fall on his face in the 13th round.

[granberry]

Pathetic. An inquisitive thread roundly trashed by BoxRec's self-proclaimed, "inside man."

Hysterical irene knows that all the photos are doctored.

[Brutu]

Anyone know what Sugar Ray Robinson's weight was immediately after the fight?

[NazNaci1]

Granberry, ask George Benton about Ray Robinson :)

[TheGreatA]

Anyone know what Sugar Ray Robinson's weight was immediately after the fight?

He weighed in at 146 pounds after the fight.

[Brutu]

Was that after they rehyedrated him?

[Brutu]

What did Joey Maxim weigh after the fight?(before any rehyedration).

[Brutu]

IMOP Stanley Ketchel did better I think because he didnt have to put on extra weight that would have diminished his boxing abilities against Johnson.

[Robinson]

Robinson tried to set a fast and hard pace and that is daft against a
good big man, let alone in such heat.

Good attempt for a man that started as a LW>

Maxim was no slouch though. And it is an ashame that his win over
Robinson tends to get robbed with the heat angle and so on. He stayed
up right and was in the fight all night long, it is just unfortunate for him
that he was facing the 'Great' Robinson that night, a man that alot
in hindsight over look any failings. That is just unfortunate for Maxim.

When my net speed is up and running I shall look forward to watching
the full fight, as I have only seen HLs. Robinson is always educating
to watch, even in defeat.

[granberry]

As has been said above---

Robinson fought a stupid fight.

He wanted to KO Joey Maxim.

Couldn't be done.

And Robinson lost the fight by trying to.

Usually Robinson was good at pacing himself, but here he did the opposite.

Kid Gavilan said of Bobo Olson after losing to Olson for Olson's middleweight title, "This guy a good fighter. I like him much better than Robinson. Much more busy."

Robinson was known for coasting and then coming on at the end of a round.
He sure didn't do that against Maxim.

Maxim fought Ezzard Charles FIVE times, including once for the heavyweight title in a 15 round fight, and Charles never knocked him out.
How was Robinson going to? No way.

Maxim fought Jersey Joe Walcott THREE times and was never knocked out. Maxim won a decision over Walcott in one of those fights.

Maxim beat heavyweights Jimmy Bivins, Curtis Sheppard (twice), Lee Oma, Red Burman, Clarence Jones, Ollie Tandberg, etc.

The ONLY fighter everr to KO Maxim was a great heavyweight puncher, Curtis Hatchetman Sheppard.

All of his opponents said Maxim was physically very strong and could tie up anyone in close. Robinson never fought anyone anywhere near that strong.

Robinson was fighting a very strong 175 pounder with a great chin who was championship level.
He fought the wrong fight.

When Robinson signed to fight Maxim, his manager George Gainsford said, "And then next we'll fight Marciano."

Robinson said immediately, "You mean HE"LL fight Marciano."

Robinson had trouble with very strong fighters in his own weight class--Jake LaMotta, Gene Fullmer, Tiger Jones.

No way he could beat a championship 175 pounder.

He found that out the hard way.

The regurgitation of the typical clueless media drivel here on this thread is expected for sites like this.

All the biased descriptions of what actually happened can't change the fact that Robinson fought a stupid fight, used up his gas tank long before the 15 round distance, and fell flat on his face.

He learned his lesson the hard way here and never went near another 175 pounder.

Robinson was inferior to Ketchel, Greb and Mickey Walker in that respect.

[Goodnight, Irene]

As has been said above---

Robinson fought a stupid fight.

He wanted to KO Joey Maxim.

Couldn't be done.

And Robinson lost the fight by trying to.

Usually Robinson was good at pacing himself, but here he did the opposite.

Kid Gavilan said of Bobo Olson after losing to Olson for Olson's middleweight title, "This guy a good fighter. I like him much better than Robinson. Much more busy."

Robinson was known for coasting and then coming on at the end of a round.
He sure didn't do that against Maxim.

Maxim fought Ezzard Charles FIVE times, including once for the heavyweight title in a 15 round fight, and Charles never knocked him out.
How was Robinson going to? No way.

Maxim fought Jersey Joe Walcott THREE times and was never knocked out. Maxim won a decision over Walcott in one of those fights.

Maxim beat heavyweights Jimmy Bivins, Curtis Sheppard (twice), Lee Oma, Red Burman, Clarence Jones, Ollie Tandberg, etc.

The ONLY fighter everr to KO Maxim was a great heavyweight puncher, Curtis Hatchetman Sheppard.

All of his opponents said Maxim was physically very strong and could tie up anyone in close. Robinson never fought anyone anywhere near that strong.

Robinson was fighting a very strong 175 pounder with a great chin who was championship level.
He fought the wrong fight.

When Robinson signed to fight Maxim, his manager George Gainsford said, "And then next we'll fight Marciano."

Robinson said immediately, "You mean HE"LL fight Marciano."

Robinson had trouble with very strong fighters in his own weight class--Jake LaMotta, Gene Fullmer, Tiger Jones.

No way he could beat a championship 175 pounder.

He found that out the hard way.

The regurgitation of the typical clueless media drivel here on this thread is expected for sites like this.

All the biased descriptions of what actually happened can't change the fact that Robinson fought a stupid fight, used up his gas tank long before the 15 round distance, and fell flat on his face.

He learned his lesson the hard way here and never went near another 175 pounder.

Robinson was inferior to Ketchel, Greb and Mickey Walker in that respect.

The scorecards, you fvcking moron

[granberry]

Whining, hysterical irene is left with nothing but his typical juvenile potty mouth to defend his fairy tale version of the real world.

The real world scorecard is: