Heavyweight top 15.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Oct 2003, 11:19

First time in 14 years my top ten doesn't include the Real Deal. It also includes 3 guys who are not considered Heavyweights

1) Lennox Lewis.

2) Roy Jones - untill he officially vacates I still class him a heavyweight.

3) Chris Byrd - I'll keep him here as he officially won.

4) Vitali Klitchko.

5) James Toney.

6) Mike Tyson.

7) Hasim Rahman.

8) Corrie Sanders.

9) David Tua.

10) Juan Carlos Gomez.

11) Fres Oquendo

12) Wladimir Klitchko.

13) Dominque Guinn.

14) Evander Holyfield.

15) John Ruiz.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 05 Oct 2003, 11:31

damm i must try and get back in there

the heavyweught is the poorest it has ever been, blown up middleweights are belt holders and now comes toney,

i cant do a top 10, i know lewis is first and 2-15 is so widely open,

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Oct 2003, 11:44

REAL_DEAL wrote:damm i must try and get back in there
,

Yeah, I was really dissapointed in you last night. I put money on you aswell.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 05 Oct 2003, 11:50

stujones wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:damm i must try and get back in there
,
Yeah, I was really dissapointed in you last night. I put money on you aswell.

did lose to much?

holy is so shot now audley harrison would beat him,

holy do the right thing and retire

Hut*Hut · Post by **Hut*Hut** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:10

Lewis is gonna retire IMO, we wont see him again.

01) Vitaly Klitchkoe
02) Wvlad Klitchkoe
03) Hasim Rahman
04) David Tua
05) Chris Byrd
06) Corrie Sanders
07) James Toney
08 Fres Oquendo
09) Juan Carlos Gomez
10) Mike Tyson
11) John Ruiz
12) Oliver McCall
13) Dominique Guinn
14) Kirk Johnson
15) Joe Mesi

Something like that. I think the division is becoming extreemly interesting again...even if it is devoid of any truely excellent fighters.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:13

REAL_DEAL wrote:
stujones wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:damm i must try and get back in there
,
Yeah, I was really dissapointed in you last night. I put money on you aswell.

did lose to much?

holy is so shot now audley harrison would beat him,

holy do the right thing and retire

Only a tenner.

The way in which Holyfield is shot is strange. Most peoples balance, footspeed and handspeed go first. Holyfield's look good when he does attack he looks fairly impressive and he was doing some good parrying work last night.

Its just he can't move his arms, when he does its okay - but he's out of gas after 20 seconds.

Its weird how the order in which people lose their skills. Michael Ayers could hardly was shuffling, as does Tyson. Sugar Ray Leonard just couldn't take a shot, and Holyfield just can't move his arms.

For the first round I though the old Warrior was back, then came a thoroughly impressive performance with my canditate for 2003 fighter of the year.

Still think Holyfield would have to much for Harrison. I was disappointed in Harrison last night to be honest.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:14

As poor as the division is, I dont get putting Roy jones in at number 2.

He has only had one fight at heavyweight, and that's not enough to justify a 2 ranking. Top 5 I could go with, but top 2 is a little over the top imo.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:21

Twinkle Toes wrote:As poor as the division is, I dont get putting Roy jones in at number 2.

He has only had one fight at heavyweight, and that's not enough to justify a 2 ranking. Top 5 I could go with, but top 2 is a little over the top imo.

Possibly, I have had a bit of criticisms for this.

Let me try and explain.

He's merely there by default, check out the guys I have directly behind him. Byrd effectively lost to Oquendo, and while I was impressed with Vitali he technically is 0-2 in World class. Then there's Toney.

While John Ruiz is never considered a great champion, he did beat Kirk Johnson who's still in some peoples top ten.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:34

Yeah, I can see where you are coming from, and I had a feeling you might say what you have.

Still, it just doesn't seem quite right, but it's all very subjective.

If Ruiz hadn't have had a title, but still the same record. I reckon we wouldn't quite hold Jones in the same light as we are now.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 05 Oct 2003, 15:44

REAL_DEAL wrote:
stujones wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:damm i must try and get back in there
,
Yeah, I was really dissapointed in you last night. I put money on you aswell.

did lose to much?

holy is so shot now audley harrison would beat him,

holy do the right thing and retire

Harrison V Holyfield? You may just be on to something there, i know Holy was finished i mean everyone said he regained form against Rahman. Lol did he?! Rahman was winning IMO before Holy butted a golf ball into his head, the sad fact is Holy has never been the same since Lewis II and now he has been stopped for only the second time ever. He look poor in all the snoozefests with Ruiz and last time out against Byrd was totally outboxed.