Who had the best jab?

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:13

Who had the best jab out of these guys?

THEHAMMER321 · Post by **THEHAMMER321** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:23

Well Sonny had the hardest jab but for effectiveness Larry Holmes used the jab not only for an offensive weapon but a defensive one as well to keep guys from getting to close

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:28

I think Holmes had the best.... But Tysons was very good and unnoticed by a lot of peeps.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:46

Tyson seldom threw his enough to gain attention for it.
He did have a good one, especially when he slipped onthe
inside with it.

The trouble is over his body of work he was some what inconsistent
with it.

THEHAMMER321 · Post by **THEHAMMER321** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:50

THEHAMMER321 · Post by **THEHAMMER321** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:52

gambler49 wrote:I think Holmes had the best.... But Tysons was very good and unnoticed by a lot of peeps.

Speaking of Tyson, I don't like to give to much credit to trainers but in Tyson's all you have to do is look at Tyson when Kevin Rooney was training him and after Rooney, when Rooney had him Tyson bobbed and weaved with his hands held high at the same time when the ''yes'' men trained him he was not the same

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 29 Mar 2010, 22:57

I would have to hand it to Louis on the jab subject. Why?

His was better all-round than the rest. It was the best overall combination of fast (Ali), accurate (Holmes), & jolting (Liston). The others may've been better with their jab in one category or another, but none of them score so highly with this punch, across the board, as does Louis.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 29 Mar 2010, 23:55

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I would have to hand it to Louis on the jab subject. Why?

His was better all-round than the rest. It was the best overall combination of fast (Ali), accurate (Holmes), & jolting (Liston). The others may've been better with their jab in one category or another, but none of them score so highly with this punch, across the board, as does Louis.

I agree . . although I swear when Foreman remembered to throw jabs with snap in his first career they were probably the most deadly jabs in the history of the HW division.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 30 Mar 2010, 00:08

As evidenced by the importance of that punch to him during his comeback years, when, if anything, it had diminished with age & reflexes.

An under-used punch. You ever see that footage of a greenhorn Foreman educating some teens on the jab? Loved it. Such a snappy punch, his left.

jaclem2 · Post by **jaclem2** » 30 Mar 2010, 02:28

...irene nails it with joe louis, and for all the right reasons.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 30 Mar 2010, 02:29

jaclem2 wrote:...irene nails it with joe louis, and for all the right reasons.

Seems very few actually agree with me, though. Most say Holmes, or Liston. I really don't know why, looking at all aspects of a punch. Louis is clearly the choice, as I see it.

Panzerfaust · Post by **Panzerfaust** » 30 Mar 2010, 06:43

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I would have to hand it to Louis on the jab subject. Why?

His was better all-round than the rest. It was the best overall combination of fast (Ali), accurate (Holmes), & jolting (Liston). The others may've been better with their jab in one category or another, but none of them score so highly with this punch, across the board, as does Louis.

what he said

Jab and Move · Post by **Jab and Move** » 30 Mar 2010, 15:11

where the hell is robinson

Jaywheel · Post by **Jaywheel** » 30 Mar 2010, 15:16

Jab and Move wrote:where the hell is robinson

60 pounds below...

skelp · Post by **skelp** » 02 Apr 2010, 13:38

Holmes; wins for the best "thumbing of all time"

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 02 Apr 2010, 14:34

dempseyfire wrote:I agree . . although I swear when Foreman remembered to throw jabs with snap in his first career they were probably the most deadly jabs in the history of the HW division.

Well said. It was the key to his success, and his main weapon during his second career.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 02 Apr 2010, 15:21

I think George's best display of the left jab in the 70s was vs Chuvalo. He really tore into Chuvalo with lots of HARD jolting lefts, primarily b/c he knew he had to throw a lot to keep the dangerous and highly durable Chuvalo off of him.

He also showed a fine left jab vs Norton and in the early parts of the Lyle fight (before it became a pier 6er)

jaclem2 · Post by **jaclem2** » 02 Apr 2010, 20:40

......if george has used his left jab at its best he would have beaten ali...

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 03 Apr 2010, 11:47

jaclem2 wrote:......if george has used his left jab at its best he would have beaten ali...

NO!

Ali was 1 of the HWs that u would not be able to exploit wiv the jab, due to his movement. And even in 1974 past his prime that was still the case. The 1980 Ali was a different story. Foreman was never going to win that fight and I actualy was one that had a bet on Ali to win at 3/1. I even think a prime Tyson would of had more chance of beating Ali that night. And I rate Foreman ahead of Tyson.

jaclem2 · Post by **jaclem2** » 03 Apr 2010, 15:27

.....yes! ali was never able to clearly beat ken norton because norton' jab matched ali's and ali kept backing up until he was on or near the ropes , where the real exchanges took place and norton held his own.

oklay.. saw these fights live and haven't looked at the tapes for years, but this is how i remember them. so someone may now come on who has just studied them and blow my arguments away as far as the exchanges and such...but norton did credit his jab for the reason he did so well against ali.

irrelevant anyway, as i stick to my opinion that foreman would have won that fight if he had used his jab efficiently. ali didn't win that fight with his movement....he stayed on the loosened ropes and george fought a dumb fight by wearing himself out hitting ali's arms.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 03 Apr 2010, 17:27

I fully agree. Foreman using a more measured jabbing attack never loses to Ali in Zaire.

But of course Foreman went balls to the wall, fought a very stupid fight, and got himself knocked out.

milmascaras1 · Post by **milmascaras1** » 03 Apr 2010, 17:44

between ali and larry holmes. while holmes' jab was stronge and quick, ali's jab was quicker. wladimir klitschko i believe has the most punishing jab of them all but it's not the quickest.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 03 Apr 2010, 18:45

dempseyfire wrote:I think George's best display of the left jab in the 70s was vs Chuvalo. He really tore into Chuvalo with lots of HARD jolting lefts, primarily b/c he knew he had to throw a lot to keep the dangerous and highly durable Chuvalo off of him.

He also showed a fine left jab vs Norton and in the early parts of the Lyle fight (before it became a pier 6er)

Yeah once Lyle clocked him with that left hook at the end of the 2nd, George pretty much forgot his form.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Apr 2010, 19:40

History is not created on what a person "might have been able" to do. Only on actions manifest.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 03 Apr 2010, 21:21

The Great John L wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:I think George's best display of the left jab in the 70s was vs Chuvalo. He really tore into Chuvalo with lots of HARD jolting lefts, primarily b/c he knew he had to throw a lot to keep the dangerous and highly durable Chuvalo off of him.

He also showed a fine left jab vs Norton and in the early parts of the Lyle fight (before it became a pier 6er)
Yeah once Lyle clocked him with that left hook at the end of the 2nd, George pretty much forgot his form.

End of the first, do you mean? It was Foreman who had Lyle hurt at the (premature) close of the second.