The great scoring debate - Adrian Gonzalez v. James Ancliff

[slapbangwhallop]

Obviously there has been an interesting debate on the other thread but I think it opens a wider debate which is the subjective nature of scoring in boxing. So here is a wee experiment.

Its quite simple - score each round and give a winner with reasoning. By detailed if you can but thats not necessary.

Round 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UknEVRto3Ec

Round 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VczXiXpv38Q

Round 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2lrk9cVtGs

Round 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4imUwMD0k4

Enjoy!!

[crusader]

Ancliff 39-37

Scored round one, three, and four for Ancliff, all for same reasons. Busier, forcing the fight and roughing Gonzalez up at points. Not landing clean, but probably landing more because Gonzalez was gun shy.

Scored round two for Gonzalez because he finally let his hands go and was landing good counter punches. Some people are saying Gonzalez landed cleaner punches, but tell me where those where in round one, three, and four. I don't see them. I think Ancliff clearly won the fight, there should really be no debate about this unless you are aligned with a particular side.

[Adamj1987]

i agree score with crusader and leaning possibly to a whitewash

[m1kee50]

Havent time (or concern) to watch the fight but wanted to say - Love the thread title... the British Scene has buzzed to nothing else since the weekend lol, this could be our Rob Calloway thread.

[jonp]

I agree with the above in round one i struggled to find a clean shot from either but Ancliff threw more and forced the action ,round two gonzales possibly stunned ancliff,round three ancliff because he was landing just it was short stuff that you realy have to look out for and also gonzales wasnt throwing that kuch and landed not much at all.round four pretty much ame as round three

[Corizmo]

Ancliff just outworked him

[slapbangwhallop]

Havent time (or concern) to watch the fight but wanted to say - Love the thread title... the British Scene has buzzed to nothing else since the weekend lol, this could be our Rob Calloway thread.

how about reading the post instead of being a prissy wee brat? This thread is no about Gonzalez-Ancliff per se but more about scoring of fights and how people anaylse the different componants with the critieria for scoring.

[dondada]

I agree with the above in round one i struggled to find a clean shot from either but Ancliff threw more and forced the action

See Jon, what some are arguing is that this type of round should be scored even, if both fighters landed the same amount/type of punches.

I tend to give it to the guy forcing the action, if one is clearly doing much more than the other.

[The Irish Assassin]

I scored it 40-37 for Ancliff with round 2 being scored even.

[demolitiondaley]

Refs will tend to go for cleaner looking well picked shots over scrappy high work rate in these four rounders. I am a victim of this and need to try and pick my shots better. I thought watching the video that the result was going to go the other way. Thats my two pence worth on the subject.

[m1kee50]

Havent time (or concern) to watch the fight but wanted to say - Love the thread title... the British Scene has buzzed to nothing else since the weekend lol, this could be our Rob Calloway thread.

how about reading the post instead of being a prissy wee brat? This thread is no about Gonzalez-Ancliff per se but more about scoring of fights and how people anaylse the different componants with the critieria for scoring.

How about growing a sense of humour? Of course there is an element of fight-scoring but all the same you want it to come out the way you saw the fight, none of us are silly.

[Adamj1987]

i think the votes settle it really

Gonzalez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
Ancliff 87% 87% [ 13 ] x
Draw 13% 13% [ 2 ]

[crusader]

i think the votes settle it really

Gonzalez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
Ancliff 87% 87% [ 13 ] x
Draw 13% 13% [ 2 ]

Wait till the Gonzalez crew and their multiple usernames get online

Haven't seen one regular poster here argue that Gonzalez won.

[dondada]

i think the votes settle it really

Gonzalez 0% 0% [ 0 ]
Ancliff 87% 87% [ 13 ] x
Draw 13% 13% [ 2 ]

Wait till the Gonzalez crew and their multiple usernames get online

Haven't seen one regular poster here argue that Gonzalez won.

I've also asked them twice on the other thread to reveal if they personally know the lad...they've conveniently ignored that polite request. One of them is getting a bit insulting over on the other one - as he only joined yesterday I think he needs a little word in his shell like from one of our dementors, I mean mods.

[m1kee50]

I think he needs a little word in his shell like from one of our dementors, I mean mods.

Give me the name I will have a look over it.

[jonp]

Ian two of them are from leigh abc where Lee took Guzman to train and have pictures on there facebook with Lee and and Adrian and are personal friends of Lee and adrian,one of the others is Adrians uncle lol.The others im not too sure about but if they follow a simeler vein i wouldnt be surprised.
Thing is im a friend of Lee and would have no problem saying it to him but it sounds like we all have something against him because of the daft and insulting posts we are getting just because we wont agree that there friend has won?

[MrBoxingUK2]

alot of people were hyping about gonzalez..then he gets quite comfortbly beat by ancliff.....

[acenabox]

In my opinion Gonzalez won the fight. He didnt get the verdict, and in my opinion, it stank.
Nothing to do with who i am, who i know, where i'm from or what hand i write with...internet detectives jonp and law will probably tell you though.

[jonp]

you didnt vote?

Yay well done...

Oh and one more thing....
(that was my best columbo impression)

[acenabox]

No. i feel a little overwhelmed by the boxing knowledge on here

[jonp]

Its ok its like that at first pm me and ill give you a few tips.

[The Law]

In my opinion Gonzalez won the fight. He didnt get the verdict, and in my opinion, it stank.
Nothing to do with who i am, who i know, where i'm from or what hand i write with...internet detectives jonp and law will probably tell you though.

Its ok its like that at first pm me and ill give you a few tips.

Elementary my dear Pegg ....

[acenabox]

I'll pass. Thanks all the same jon

[alexpaterson]

I think Ancliff outworked him. Gonzalez's shots looked better but Ancliff was landing much more shots and catching Gonzalez on the ropes. I'm happy Ancliff won he's had a few dodgy decisions and always gives it a great go, he is an excellent journeyman and a great tester for young kids

[whicker]

Refs will tend to go for cleaner looking well picked shots over scrappy high work rate in these four rounders. I am a victim of this and need to try and pick my shots better. I thought watching the video that the result was going to go the other way. Thats my two pence worth on the subject.

I think, too, many refs do tend to lean towards the "home" fighter, the guy with the winning record, the prospect etc.

I've seen bouts which I'd say were close, the "home" fighter tends to get the edge 19 out of 20 times.

This one of course is an exception.

Then there are the "reliable journeymen" types who don't fight to win, which makes scoring easy.