Under - 19 boxers allowed to box in JO Tournament

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

Just in case you guys haven't heard...Michael Martini decided to change this rule. I don't agree with it. Especially when this isn't posted anywhere online or nothing is sent out to the clubs. Turns out Martini may overrule the rulebook at his discretion. BS

[southernboysboxing]

under usa boxing RULES a u 19 boxer canot box in the J.O. S , NO ONE CAN OVER RULE BECAUSE IF A GREIVENCE IS FILED THE JUDICAL COMMITTE WITH USA BOXING WILL RULE IN FAVOR OF THE PETIONER , A FIGHTER THAT HAVE FOUGHT IN THE U 19S IS A OPEN CLASS BOXER AND CAN NO LONGER BOX AS A JO BOXER WHO EVER HAS SAID OTHERWISE IS FULL OF BS , I GUARANTEE YOU WHAT I HAVE SAID IS TRUTH AND WILL BE UPHELD IS A BOXER THAT HAS FOUGHT IN U 19 MAKES IT TO THE J.O. NATIONALS ,HE WILL BE DISQULIFED UPON GETTING TO NATIONAL
THANKS, JOHN BRYANT SOUTHEAST USA BOXING JO CORDINATOR

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

I agree with you.........but Michael Martini sent a letter (email) to our Assoc. President to allow these boxers to compete.........and they did.

[boxmel]

Now, that's very interesting - that Mike Martino would arbitrarily change a rule. Wonder how he got away with that. I'll have to investigate.

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

Now, that's very interesting - that Mike Martino would arbitrarily change a rule. Wonder how he got away with that. I'll have to investigate.

Someone should. We'll see how much weight our members "voices" carry.

If this can be done we should change our rulebook to a coloring book. This way, we'll at least know changes can be made at ANY time.

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

BUMP......don't want all you followers of our bible to forget a rule was violated.

[Puncher7]

didn't they end up losing anyways? so it's not like they'll advance or it matters anymore

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

didn't they end up losing anyways? so it's not like they'll advance or it matters anymore

Yes, they lost. My boxer Cresencio won. . . doesn't change the FACT that a rule that was in black and white was overuled with a simple phone call/email. I think you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to do with the actions of the violation it has to do with our rulebook and the fact that a rule can be easily changed without any public notice. . . . . if this is how things works, fine. Guess it doesn't matter. We'll let our boxers fist speak in the ring.

[Puncher7]

No I agree, it's just that at this point nothing surprises me from USA Boxing anymore so I'm just glad the right boxers won anyways.
My gym got tired of dealing with USA Boxing's nonsense and deals mostly with pro's now

[JMac]

BUMP......don't want all you followers of our bible to forget a rule was violated.

Let me try and explain what happened. USAB has used a different date than what AIBA uses to determine age. USAB used August 1st of the year a tournament is held. AIBA uses a calender year, for example this years world youth championship was for boxers born in '92 and '93. A boxer born in '93 could be 16. USAB coaches and international task force recomended to the board that the rules and regs task force look at changing the rule for age determination to be the same as AIBA. The coaches task force also recommended allowing the boxers who were 16 who boxed in the US U-19 championships to not be penalized and be allowed to box in the JO tournament. The term under 19 is confusing since AIBA calls it youth and JO in confusing since AIBA calls it juniors. USAB should just adopt the same terms and age determination date to avoid confusion and since the US tournament leads to the team that will represent the US in AIBAs world championships in that category.
To top it off, when Milman was CEO, he screwed so many things up like appointing task force that can change rules without membership having a say. In the past, we had annual meetings and rule changes were discussed by membership. When the new board goes into place in July, USAB will return back to many of the things Milman changed.

[boxmel]

The coaches task force also recommended allowing the boxers who were 16 who boxed in the US U-19 championships to not be penalized and be allowed to box in the JO tournament.

Jim - IF the recommendation was adopted, hopefully by the Rules & Regulation Task Force, the word should have been sent out to everyone. Once again, lack of communication is USAB's biggest problem.

USAB should just adopt the same terms and age determination date to avoid confusion and since the US tournament leads to the team that will represent the US in AIBAs world championships in that category.

Yes!!!

[ramosboxingDOTcom]

Let me try and explain what happened.

Um... I guess you forgot the part of the rule that says "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A JO BOXER BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE....." No need to make excuses for "da boss" ..........it's fucked up what he did. Plain and simple.

[boxmel]

Um... I guess you forgot the part of the rule that says "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A JO BOXER BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE....." No need to make excuses for "da boss" ..........it's fucked up what he did. Plain and simple.

Sounds to me like Rules & Reg might have made the rule change, based on the recommendation by the International and Coaches Task Force.

[JMac]

Let me try and explain what happened.

Um... I guess you forgot the part of the rule that says "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A JO BOXER BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE....." No need to make excuses for "da boss" ..........it's fucked up what he did. Plain and simple.

Rules do get changed. What is messed up is the way they can be changed at the moment but that will change in the future. Why is it so bad that a 16 yr old is allowed to box in the JO's if they have already boxed in the U-19? That is why USAB needs to conform with the AIBA rule so it does not become an issue in the future.

[boxfan88]

Exactly JMAC! good point! people should quit cryin about this issue. they are ONLY 16! what is so bad about them fighting in the jos - somewhere else the rules ALSO state that a boxer who is 16 must be allowed to fight in the jos. sometimes rules ARE changed for various reasons- the issue is not THAT big for someone to keep crying about it!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Let me try and explain what happened.

Um... I guess you forgot the part of the rule that says "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A JO BOXER BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE....." No need to make excuses for "da boss" ..........it's fucked up what he did. Plain and simple.

Rules do get changed. What is messed up is the way they can be changed at the moment but that will change in the future. Why is it so bad that a 16 yr old is allowed to box in the JO's if they have already boxed in the U-19? That is why USAB needs to conform with the AIBA rule so it does not become an issue in the future.

What's bad is that I don't remember them telling anyone or making any announcments that they were letting 16 years olds box in the Under-19. They talked about it and up until the week of the tourney, still no "official" word. I can think of a few 16 years olds that I know of would have loved to make that trip to Cincy. Just poor communication all the way around. Seems to be the norm these days.

[JMac]

Um... I guess you forgot the part of the rule that says "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A JO BOXER BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE....." No need to make excuses for "da boss" ..........it's fucked up what he did. Plain and simple.

Rules do get changed. What is messed up is the way they can be changed at the moment but that will change in the future. Why is it so bad that a 16 yr old is allowed to box in the JO's if they have already boxed in the U-19? That is why USAB needs to conform with the AIBA rule so it does not become an issue in the future.

What's bad is that I don't remember them telling anyone or making any announcments that they were letting 16 years olds box in the Under-19. They talked about it and up until the week of the tourney, still no "official" word. I can think of a few 16 years olds that I know of would have loved to make that trip to Cincy. Just poor communication all the way around. Seems to be the norm these days.

I agree that communication has been bad. It needs to get better for sure.