Joe Frazier 1975 V George Foreman 1991

[ThatOne]

The 1991 version of "Big George" is in vogue here. How does this George match up against the Frazier of Quezon City?

[gambler49]

The 1991 version of "Big George" is in vogue here. How does this George match up against the Frazier of Quezon City?

Frazier UD or late stopage. I don't see how the fat man could handle the pressure. And also Frazier had a gr8 chin so if he got put down heed get up.

Although I assume ur talking about the Frazier that fought Ali. Cos he wern't the same fighter after.

[Bricks]

The 1991 version of "Big George" is in vogue here. How does this George match up against the Frazier of Quezon City?

I have to commend you on being able to think up interesting matchups for 1991 George Foreman!!!

[allworld80]

Frazier by a wide UD. Think Holyfield/Foreman, but with more left hooks.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The 1991 version of "Big George" is in vogue here. How does this George match up against the Frazier of Quezon City?

I have to commend you on being able to think up interesting matchups for 1991 George Foreman!!!

It's basically just the same fight I conceived of a long time ago, but with '75 Frazier, not a prime one.

[mrshot]

foreman wins again,same destruction only faster

[Darling]

foreman wins again,same destruction only faster

[yancey]

foreman wins again,same destruction only faster

Darling finds a bosom buddy.

[Robinson]

No disrespect to Frazier. But I do not see how he has the stamina, speed,
power and energy to out last or decision the 1991 Foreman.. who though
portly looking was a strong and in shape man.

That Foreman though lacking his youthful pop worked his strengths.. them
being power, strength itself and mass. He also adopted the cross arm defence
nicely.

While I do think that the Qawi showing against Foreman lends some hope for
a Frazier 1975 win.. I just can not see Joe being able to trade and survive
against 1991 George.

I see Foreman 1991 using his weight and catching Frazier in the middle rounds.
Sure Frazier gets his licks in, but its not enough and Foreman just puts him
down.

Sorry Smoke.

[yancey]

The 1991 version of "Big George" is in vogue here. How does this George match up against the Frazier of Quezon City?

Frazier UD or late stopage. I don't see how the fat man could handle the pressure. And also Frazier had a gr8 chin so if he got put down heed get up.

Although I assume ur talking about the Frazier that fought Ali. Cos he wern't the same fighter after.

Seems like the likely outcome, but this fight between these versions of Frazier and Foreman doesn't hold much interest to me.

[Darling]

foreman wins again,same destruction only faster

Darling finds a bosom buddy.

Gran Junior is missing his dad.

[Princemanspopa]

Did Frazier's chin dramatically improve over a two and a half year span? Find that rather difficult to believe myself.


Conditioning was never a factor in Foreman knocking Frazier down six times in just two rounds,so I can't see why a still capable Foreman being a great big lump would change the outcome of this always predictable outcome.

Think Holyfield/Foreman, but with more left hooks.

Except for the fact that Holyfield is a far more versatile,more durable boxer than Frazier ever was.


Holyfield gave him a pasting,but he also took the type of shots that Frazier never could have taken.

[The Great John L]

No disrespect to Frazier. But I do not see how he has the stamina, speed,
power and energy to out last or decision the 1991 Foreman.. who though
portly looking was a strong and in shape man.

That Foreman though lacking his youthful pop worked his strengths.. them
being power, strength itself and mass. He also adopted the cross arm defence
nicely.

While I do think that the Qawi showing against Foreman lends some hope for
a Frazier 1975 win.. I just can not see Joe being able to trade and survive
against 1991 George.

I see Foreman 1991 using his weight and catching Frazier in the middle rounds.
Sure Frazier gets his licks in, but its not enough and Foreman just puts him
down.

Sorry Smoke.

I guess you missed the Foreman/Stewart fight? Or maybe you hold Stewart in a little higher regard than his actual fight results might indicate.

Damn! That's right, the Stewart fight was in '92, so George had probably declined a great deal since '91.

Besides a few good punches against Moorer, and a gallant showing against the inconsistent Holyfield, I'm really not getting this whole Old George thing.

[Ezzard]

George could still drop Joe but he wouldn't be able to close the show and would basically get beaten up and drop a decision.

[Ambling Alp]

Frazier would be way too active for him. Foreman had to fight at very slow pace. Even if he hurts Frazier with a good shot, he would not be able to follow up on it. Frazier had a good chin, he was no Michael Moorer. He could take a good shot. Frazier either wins a fairly easy decision or stops Foreman in the late rounds.

[Goodnight, Irene]

George could still drop Joe but he wouldn't be able to close the show and would basically get beaten up and drop a decision.

I can see that.

I still would be interested to see how Frazier coped with the jab & follow-up right. It would be interesting, but I started a thread a long ways back about a prime Frazier tackling this Foreman, & I had Frazier either stopping him late-on, or decisioning him.

It's a very intriguing fight few people ever hypothesise.

[Robinson]

No disrespect to Frazier. But I do not see how he has the stamina, speed,
power and energy to out last or decision the 1991 Foreman.. who though
portly looking was a strong and in shape man.

That Foreman though lacking his youthful pop worked his strengths.. them
being power, strength itself and mass. He also adopted the cross arm defence
nicely.

While I do think that the Qawi showing against Foreman lends some hope for
a Frazier 1975 win.. I just can not see Joe being able to trade and survive
against 1991 George.

I see Foreman 1991 using his weight and catching Frazier in the middle rounds.
Sure Frazier gets his licks in, but its not enough and Foreman just puts him
down.

Sorry Smoke.

I guess you missed the Foreman/Stewart fight? Or maybe you hold Stewart in a little higher regard than his actual fight results might indicate.

Damn! That's right, the Stewart fight was in '92, so George had probably declined a great deal since '91.

Besides a few good punches against Moorer, and a gallant showing against the inconsistent Holyfield, I'm really not getting this whole Old George thing.

Im sorry thats right by default any fighter in the 1970s beats one in the 1990s despite the match up,
wear and tear, style, approach and all of the above of the fighters.

The 1991 Foreman was in better motivated shape than his 92 Stewart fighting self, despite that, Frazier
would be coming at Foreman and be allowing George to employ his best over time. It would not be a
clear cut thing from the outset. But I think a 75 Frazier of Ellis-Ali rematches fame would be poorly matched
up against abig hard hitter like Foreman. Against movers and boxer types sure he does better, but when
he is slamming into a fortress... not so well.

In my opinion.

[Darling]

Down goes Frazier!

[yancey]

Down goes Frazier!

Nice of the Nut House to let you play on the computer today.

Or are you in the basement at Mum's this weekend?

[Darling]

Down goes Frazier!

Nice of the Nut House to let you play on the computer today.

Or are you in the basement at Mum's this weekend?

Down goes Frazier!

[Ambling Alp]

No disrespect to Frazier. But I do not see how he has the stamina, speed,
power and energy to out last or decision the 1991 Foreman.. who though
portly looking was a strong and in shape man.

That Foreman though lacking his youthful pop worked his strengths.. them
being power, strength itself and mass. He also adopted the cross arm defence
nicely.

While I do think that the Qawi showing against Foreman lends some hope for
a Frazier 1975 win.. I just can not see Joe being able to trade and survive
against 1991 George.

I see Foreman 1991 using his weight and catching Frazier in the middle rounds.
Sure Frazier gets his licks in, but its not enough and Foreman just puts him
down.

Sorry Smoke.

I guess you missed the Foreman/Stewart fight? Or maybe you hold Stewart in a little higher regard than his actual fight results might indicate.

Damn! That's right, the Stewart fight was in '92, so George had probably declined a great deal since '91.

Besides a few good punches against Moorer, and a gallant showing against the inconsistent Holyfield, I'm really not getting this whole Old George thing.

Old Foreman's "greatness" is becoming one of boxing's great myths.
I think its sort of a nostalgia thing with some people. It was such a great story with Foreman winning the title at that age that people have got carried away. As you mentioned, Foreman did fight a very good fight against Holyfield. Occasionally he did look good in other fights. For example against Cooney and Rodriquez he looked pretty good. However, most of his fights he pretty much fought at very slow pace (whcih he had to do at that age) and waited for openings.

Frazier still had a lot left in 1975. He had little likeness to a washed up Qawi. Frazier could still fight at a fast pace. Foreman could not. Foreman could still hit, but nothing like he could in his prime. If Foreman landed one big punch, Frazier would weather the storm and comeback. Foreman would be getting hit a lot in this fight, and by someone who hit harder than Holyfield or Moorer.

[Goodnight, Irene]

You never saw anyone do what Foreman did with his comeback before, & you've never seen it since. You'll never see it again, either.

Nothing is over-rated. Nobody could do what he did.

[BoxBuzz]

I watched the Foreman/Holyfield fight recently, his performance against the best fighter at that time is stunning. One can not overstate Foreman's Achievements in that and the Moorer fight. I agree He's one of a kind.

[yancey]

I just watched the 10th rd of Moorer and Foreman.

I know it was right on the chin, but can anybody imagine the likes of Ali or Frazier staying down for the 10 count from that punch?

Don't know much about the rest of the fight (don't want to waste time watching) but the 10th round looked like it was fought in slow motion, it was that bad.

Compare that "action" to the greats of the '60s and '70s.

[yancey]

You never saw anyone do what Foreman did with his comeback before, & you've never seen it since. You'll never see it again, either.

Nothing is over-rated. Nobody could do what he did.

What was it that George said back then on his comeback tour?

His opponent had to be "off the respirator for at least eight days." (or something like that)

George could be funny.

And no, Irene, I'm not getting on GF because he took out Frazier.

I just have to call it as I see it.