Does anyone know when Prince Naseem Hamed is fighting next?

mudz2k3 · Post by **mudz2k3** » 26 Oct 2003, 10:40

Been looking everywhere, does anyone actually know when Prince Naseem Hamed is due to fight?

Post a reply if you do please!

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 26 Oct 2003, 11:59

No one knows for sure. We get the odd rumbling of a fight every couple of months, but nothing ever happens.

I'm hopeful we will see him in the ring again, but it's looking doubtfull

Timmbo · Post by **Timmbo** » 26 Oct 2003, 13:38

mudz2k3,
I recently saw him on a SKY programme called "Hes gotta have it" where Hamed had to choose between a office paintball game,an offroad buggy and a outdoor jakuzzi thing.I was waiting for the show host to ask about his future boxing plans but there were no mention of it at all.However Hamed looked fit and there was none of his arrogance or boasting. He looked as he'd settled to his bussnesses outside the ring ,so in my opinion I think hes hung up his gloves for real :(

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 Oct 2003, 13:51

I think the last date that was sprung up was mid November (HBO announced it in the Summer), again its not happened.

Basically, I would be suprised to see him back.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 26 Oct 2003, 14:23

I was watching a couple of his last fights the other night, including against Barrera. What struck me was that Hamster looked like he was fighting in slow-motion compared to say against Kelly, I don't want to take anything away from MAB, but he fought an undertrained opponent, lacking sharpness.
The point is that was the zenith of his career and he wasn't prepared to train properly, I think all that's keeping him from the ring now is that he'd rather sit on a pile of cash stuffing burgers from McHalal's into his gob than get in shape to fight. Just laziness, we'll never see him in the ring again.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 27 Oct 2003, 17:24

I read today Naz is talking to HBO about a comeback next year. Looks positive but you never know with Naz

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 28 Oct 2003, 08:22

mrbassie wrote:I was watching a couple of his last fights the other night, including against Barrera. What struck me was that Hamster looked like he was fighting in slow-motion compared to say against Kelly, I don't want to take anything away from MAB, but he fought an undertrained opponent, lacking sharpness.
The point is that was the zenith of his career and he wasn't prepared to train properly, I think all that's keeping him from the ring now is that he'd rather sit on a pile of cash stuffing burgers from McHalal's into his gob than get in shape to fight. Just laziness, we'll never see him in the ring again.

I don't agree with this at all. Hamed was in the best shape of his career for Barerra, he looked ripped and had he not been in such tremendous shape he would have been stopped. Suarez is an excellent conditioning coach if little else.

Hamed's problem was simply strategy. He didn't have one. He had a Plan A (which was all he had for years) which was to knock out Barerra with one clean shot. When it became apparent this wasn't going to work he just allowed MAB to steadily outbox him for the full course.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 28 Oct 2003, 17:18

Goz your wrong, theres a documentary about the whole build up to the Barrera fight and Naz didn't do shit. He was staying at some fancy training camp lazing around. He also hurt his back and took some days off.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 05:30

We'll have to agree to disagree then...

Physically Hamed was in the best shape of his career. He would have been stopped if he wasn't.

I saw the documentry and it demonstrated Hamed had a strange attitude and proritised matters like getting his hair cut nicely over thinking about the fight but I still maintain Suarez whipped him into excellent shape.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 29 Oct 2003, 05:56

Whether or not Hamed was is great shape for Barrera is debatable, what is not is that Naz didn't fight with anything like the same enthusiasm that he had done as a 21yr old - flat footed, little or no upper body movement, poor work rate. Clear signs of a fighter lacking in motivation.

What was left of his style posed no problems for the Mexican.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 29 Oct 2003, 06:20

Goz wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree then...

Physically Hamed was in the best shape of his career. He would have been stopped if he wasn't.

I saw the documentry and it demonstrated Hamed had a strange attitude and proritised matters like getting his hair cut nicely over thinking about the fight but I still maintain Suarez whipped him into excellent shape.

Manny Steward trained him for that fight. Nuff said.
I stand by my take, he didn't look sharp at all and that was my main point.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 08:29

mrbassie wrote:
Goz wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree then...

Physically Hamed was in the best shape of his career. He would have been stopped if he wasn't.

I saw the documentry and it demonstrated Hamed had a strange attitude and proritised matters like getting his hair cut nicely over thinking about the fight but I still maintain Suarez whipped him into excellent shape.
Manny Steward trained him for that fight. Nuff said.
I stand by my take, he didn't look sharp at all and that was my main point.

Not nuff said at all I'm afraid. Steward was barely present in camp for the MAB fight and was not being listened to by Hamed or his 'team'. Everybody knows this, I'm not sure how long you've been following the sport for but it was comon knowledge even at the time.

In fact Steward's involvement with Hamed was more publicity than anything anyway, Hamed deteriorated over the 2 years they were 'together' and basically he was just employing Suarez as a conditioning coach and devising his own 'strategy' which wasn't really a strategy at all. This was why Barerra was Stewards last fight with Hamed.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 29 Oct 2003, 08:43

I might be opening a can of worms here, but the real key to the fight in my humble opinion was that Barrera and his camp sussed out Naseem's style. Naz is an incredibly hard-hitting, but lazy counterpuncher. He likes his opponents to come to him. So Barrera stood off, deployed a sharp left jab, and forced Naz to make the fight. Naz looked lost having to come forward. Barrera picked him off with quick counters and continued to use that excellent jab on the outside. Naz was soundly outboxed.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 08:58

bennie wrote:I might be opening a can of worms here, but the real key to the fight in my humble opinion was that Barrera and his camp sussed out Naseem's style. Naz is an incredibly hard-hitting, but lazy counterpuncher. He likes his opponents to come to him. So Barrera stood off, deployed a sharp left jab, and forced Naz to make the fight. Naz looked lost having to come forward. Barrera picked him off with quick counters and continued to use that excellent jab on the outside. Naz was soundly outboxed.

Correct. But there was nought wrong with his conditioning. As I said he was actually in very good shape.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:12

Did you read the Barrera interview in BM shortly after the fight. Facinating stuff, he was worried about the Hamed punch and concentrated on speed rather than power cause he knew Hamed could still knock people down and out when hurt (Kelly, Sanchez).

However, he now hasn't got that fear - he believes he showed he could take Hamed punches. If there was ever a rematch (which there won't be) I'd fully expect to see a macho Barrera and we would steam roll over Hamed in 6 painfull rounds.

Barrera is the better man, plain and simple.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:19

No doubt. It was surely the only 12-rounder in boxing history that was all over after the first round.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:21

Stu - Agree and disagree. I think there is every likeliness MAB would stop Hamed now, as you say he's the better man and this coupled with Hamed's inactivity, the last result and Barerra's prime leads one to the inevitable conclusion of a MAB stoppage win.

However I don't agree that he took Hamed's best shots, not at all. Hamed hardly laid a glove on him, if he had Barerra would have known about it.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:24

bennie wrote:No doubt. It was surely the only 12-rounder in boxing history that was all over after the first round.

Funny thing is if you see the scores, had Hamed won just 2 more rounds he would have won the fight!

Whilst I don't think it was as close as the scores suggest I don't think it was as patently one-sided as many do either. There was certainly enough IMO for Hamed to look at and come back with a plan for revenge, things to do differently e.t.c

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:38

Goz wrote:Stu - Agree and disagree. I think there is every likeliness MAB would stop Hamed now, as you say he's the better man and this coupled with Hamed's inactivity, the last result and Barerra's prime leads one to the inevitable conclusion of a MAB stoppage win.

However I don't agree that he took Hamed's best shots, not at all. Hamed hardly laid a glove on him, if he had Barerra would have known about it.

Not me who said that Goz, that's Marco's view. What McCoullough also stated was that Hamed's biggest assest was his strength (as opposed to punch power - there is a difference). Maybe, Marco was meaning that he felt the strength of Hamed and it wasn't up to much.

I agree with you, I don't think Barerra took Hamed's best shots, but in hindshight and subsequent performance I believe that he WOULD walk through Hamed's best shots. He didn't, but there is no evidence to suggest he wouldn't have.

Not disrespecting Hamed here, just 'big upping' Barrera.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Oct 2003, 10:40

Goz wrote:
bennie wrote:No doubt. It was surely the only 12-rounder in boxing history that was all over after the first round.
Funny thing is if you see the scores, had Hamed won just 2 more rounds he would have won the fight!

Whilst I don't think it was as close as the scores suggest I don't think it was as patently one-sided as many do either. There was certainly enough IMO for Hamed to look at and come back with a plan for revenge, things to do differently e.t.c

Disagree I'm afraid Goz, so does Hamed by the looks of things.

It was a boxing lesson and the judges were way out.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 11:02

stujones wrote:
It was a boxing lesson and the judges were way out.

Agreed on the judges. Just imagine Hamed had nicked 2 more rounds, that would been a controversy and a half!

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 29 Oct 2003, 11:04

stujones wrote:
Not disrespecting Hamed here, just 'big upping' Barrera.

Dis-respect Hamed all you like, I don't have much time for him! I wish the guy would just officially announce something one way or the other, it's unfair on his fans.

Nothing wrong with bigging up MAB either, I think the guy is great too although El Terrible is still the man in my book.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Oct 2003, 11:21

Goz wrote:
stujones wrote:
Not disrespecting Hamed here, just 'big upping' Barrera.
Dis-respect Hamed all you like, I don't have much time for him! I wish the guy would just officially announce something one way or the other, it's unfair on his fans.

Nothing wrong with bigging up MAB either, I think the guy is great too although El Terrible is still the man in my book.

Goz, we'll have to agree to disagree again - I supposse you also think Morales won the 2nd encounter - NO WAY (IMO). The first encounter was closer in my eyes, I actually scored it Barrera by 1 (including the dodgy KD in the 12th - scoring it 10-8). But Barrera won the 2nd one clean.

But , yes Morales is an all time great aswell and since has faught the better guys.

nasty · Post by **nasty** » 29 Oct 2003, 11:33

The question is how Hamed would have done against both Eric Morales and MAB 3 Years previous to the actual fight with MAB!

Remember, by the time he met MAB he had 30 million in the bank and was surrounded by YES MEN!

That documentary shown about the MAB fight clearly showed us a boxer more interested in his Hairstyle than putting the Hard graft needed to win the fight!

I happen to believe he would easily have defeated MAB and EM if he was still with Brendan Ingle!

MAB WAS hardly invincible as we saw with his 2 defeats by junior jones!
Anyway, what do you guys think!

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stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Oct 2003, 11:38

[quote="nasty"]The question is how Hamed would have done against both Eric Morales and MAB 3 Years previous to the actual fight with MAB!

Remember, by the time he met MAB he had 30 million in the bank and was surrounded by YES MEN!

That documentary shown about the MAB clearly showed us a boxer more interested in his Hairstyle than putting the Hard graft needed to win the fight!

I happen to believe he would easily have defeated MAB and EM if he was still with Brendan Ingle!

MAB WAS hardly invincible as we saw with his 2 defeats by junior jones!
Anyway, what do you guys think!quote]

Disagree Nasty, Barrera lost heavily to an inspired Junior Jones (who was a tremendous boxer). But he learned from his mistake and became a much better boxer.

The Barrera of 2000 against the Hamed of 1996 would have probably been a better contest, but I could only see one winner and that MAB. Same with the Morales of now.

Does anyone know when Prince Naseem Hamed is fighting next?

Does anyone know when Prince Naseem Hamed is fighting next?

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