If You Were A Trainer, What Would Your Tactics Be To Beat...

[keithmoonhangover]

....Vitali.

Is there a fighter out there that you think has the skills to do it?

If you were a trainer, what would you tell your fighter to do?

[gilgamesh]

Lots of Double Jabs. More bodypunching than most people throw at either Klitschko. Depending on the speed of my fighter, 3 or 4 punch combinations. Usually being along the lines of Jab, Jab, Right hand, Left hook. It would help if you had a guy with slick defense like a Byrd or something to avoid Vitali's incoming. Even this strategy wouldn't work for most Heavies as they couldn't or wouldn't sustain it. But it's the best I can think of.

[Jesus]

[The Great John L]

[raylawpc]

....Vitali.

Is there a fighter out there that you think has the skills to do it?

If you were a trainer, what would you tell your fighter to do?

Who is my fighter?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

....Vitali.

Is there a fighter out there that you think has the skills to do it?

If you were a trainer, what would you tell your fighter to do?

Who is my fighter?

How about Jimmy Young? I'd love his chances.

Vitali is huge, in great shape and active. He is also very one dimensional in his punch variety. Kevin Johnson laid on the ropes and took very little damage because Vitali wouldn't go to the body and he barely throws a hook or uppercut.

Someone like young would counter him to death off of the ropes behind a high guard imo.

You also have the option of matching him in firepower. He isn't a big single shot puncher. The problem there is that he does have a very solid chin. But fat lennox had him wobbly in the last rd there so it isn't impossible.

The only fighter today I give a chance to is haye. He would have a significant advantage in speed and could possibly use angles to get in and out while circling away from the right hand. Not sure if he would have the stamina to get it done.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Ray is hinting at the core truth, though --- can't answer without knowing who you're training.

[keithmoonhangover]

Ray is hinting at the core truth, though --- can't answer without knowing who you're training.

You can pick a fighter.

[Robinson]

Larry Holmes

Id let him do is thing, but Id insist he leads. Try to get him to
walk his jab and then when he gets it working look to slam
the right home. Id see how the first and second round rolls
out but I think we would stay on the outside, give up some
ground but with every step away or to the side we would land
something.

[gilgamesh]

no offense to anybody, but I'm sure if we could pick any All Time Great Heavyweights to train for a fight with Vitali, they would insist on having a great trainer. Not sure any of us technically qualify. I was merely describing my strategy, for any fighter I believe would be capable of making it work. Easier said than done I know.

[Diamond WEAPON]

First I would go back in time and hook up the teenage versions of Warren Sapp and Lisa Leslie, then adopt the offspring and train him thoroughly in the Floyd Mayweather style of defense and as a teenager take him to Mexico to train with grown men pros while teaching him styles taken from Julio Cesar Chavez to mix with his great defense. By the time he's an adult he'll be a super-strong, 6'8" wrecking machine with an incredible defense, natural athleticism, and battle-hardened toughness.

[Crease]

To beat Vitali? the boxer would need to have good movement, don't stand in front of him and let the jabs pump your face inward.

Move side-to-side, don't be afraid to engage, try and stay on the inside.
At mid-range Vitali is devastating, and long-range nobody can stand up to him because he outraches everyone...

Basically the best advice yo can give:
1. DON'T BE LAZY!
2. DON'T JUST GO FORWARD AT HIM, be unpredictable (in a good way)
3. MIX UP YOUR COMBINATIONS

[Goodnight, Irene]

To beat Vitali? the boxer would need to have good movement, don't stand in front of him and let the jabs pump your face inward.

Move side-to-side, don't be afraid to engage, try and stay on the inside.
At mid-range Vitali is devastating, and long-range nobody can stand up to him because he outraches everyone...

Basically the best advice yo can give:
1. DON'T BE LAZY!
2. DON'T JUST GO FORWARD AT HIM, be unpredictable (in a good way)
3. MIX UP YOUR COMBINATIONS

Not a bad plan, but don't forget potentially the most significant issue to address, & one few of his challengers have upto this point...

Get the fvck into shape!

[Diamond WEAPON]

To beat Vitali? the boxer would need to have good movement, don't stand in front of him and let the jabs pump your face inward.

Move side-to-side, don't be afraid to engage, try and stay on the inside.
At mid-range Vitali is devastating, and long-range nobody can stand up to him because he outraches everyone...

Basically the best advice yo can give:
1. DON'T BE LAZY!
2. DON'T JUST GO FORWARD AT HIM, be unpredictable (in a good way)
3. MIX UP YOUR COMBINATIONS

Not a bad plan, but don't forget potentially the most significant issue to address, & one few of his challengers have upto this point...

Get the fvck into shape!

Very true:
Chambers, Arreola, Peter, Gomez, Chagaev? A whole bunch of fatties. Briggs, Johnson, and Sosnowski weren't absolute chubbsters but they didn't have the skillsets and are the exception to the rule it seems.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Johnson has jugs

[Goodnight, Irene]

Johnson has jugs

Eloquently put

[Diamond WEAPON]

Johnson has jugs

Eloquently put

For some reason I remembered him differently, my mistake. He's a fatty too, not dissimilar to Sam Peter in that even if they were lean they'd probably be too muscly for CW unlike most of the Heavies. Both guys have pretty big frames.

[Ambling Alp]

Klitschko is a current fighter, so shouldn't this thread be on the Current Scene?

[keithmoonhangover]

Klitschko is a current fighter, so shouldn't this thread be on the Current Scene?

What are you, the thread police?

[Ambling Alp]

Nope. Just someone who doesn't like discussion of current fighters polluting our Boxers of the Past Forum.

[keithmoonhangover]

Nope. Just someone who doesn't like discussion of current fighters polluting our Boxers of the Past Forum.

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[Rick Farris]

Well, since you asked . . .


I'd tell him to go out and make the robotic Eastern European a "Landowner".
In other words, give him a couple of achers! ;;-)

Go in low, and fast, side-to-side, until your close enough to dig a solid uppercut into Vitali's balls.
He'll drop canvas clutching his crotch, crying in pain. The crowd will boo, because you'll be fighting in his home town.
You'll be penalized, and Vitali will get a rest. He'll be mad, but he'll also be partially disabled.
He'll have a hard time getting his guilded body in sinc with a mind that is focused on pain.
The Klitschko boys don't deal well with pain. The moment the fight resumes, jump on him.
Anybody can move forward faster than a lumbering oaf can move backwards. Work the body, and up to the head.
Be in shape to go for broke. Once you break one of the Lurch brothers in a match, they cannot be fixed.
If anybody in the world had any skill today, just a little, neither of the K boys would hold a title.
Since nobody seems to have any talent, they will have to resort to some unorthodox tactics to win.

Just my opinion.

[witherspoon]

Well, since you asked . . .


I'd tell him to go out and make the robotic Eastern European a "Landowner".
In other words, give him a couple of achers! ;;-)

That stinks of Teddy Atlas!