Prize Money

[franko1990]

To settle a bet how much does a fighter get on average for a
1) Debut fight
2)State title fight
3) Australian Title
4) Some Asian Pacific/PABA/OPBF title
I know it has most likey been discussed before but i can't be bothered to look

[AntonS]

It all depends how many bums they can put on seats
Oz title defence minimum is 3k - vacant is negotiable
Regional title. In most cases sanction fee & junket boys purse & perks outweigh boxer's purse
Most guys raise funds themselves, by way of sponsorship, to contest regional title 'cos it's going to get them "world" rating, with which at the end of the day can wipe their backside with 'cos they're simply not world class material.

[colin russell]

That realy didnt answer the question?

[Brute]

Prelim fights are usually at a set rate. Main events can vary considerably. It depends who is fighting.

[dberry]

For first couple of fights, a couple of hundred a round scheduled, plus percentage of ticket sales is par for the course, a mate who does well on ticket sales, demanded, and got, $200 a minute scheduled. As mentioned above, title fights are hugely negotiable, one of our charges was offered ten large to fight Adam Vella, in Sydney, on one day's notice.

On the other hand, there was a promotion here in Victoria where the local guys didn't get paid, had to chose and pay for their own opponents (accommodation, food, expenses etc.) and manager/trainer fees, yet to to keep 100% of all tickets/tables that they sold.

[Brute]

Adam Vella? Was the Rebels MC putting up the money?

[Mark pawsey]

$800 or maybe $1000 for a 4 rounder 6 rounder $1200 or $1500 some promotors pay you in tickets ozzy title you will probably get $2500 or $3000 if your lucky same for a regional title. $2000 for a state title Ive even heard of blokes getting paid in tickets for state title sometimes you have to raise enough in ticket sales for you and the bloke your fighting I could never get out of fight 4 rounders cause I didn't sell enough tickets and the least money I got paid was with the big promotors in tv fights there are a select few fighters that are making money in australia the rest of us if you can't sell tickets no fight hard game I started promoting my own fights I don't make any money of it last show did everyone got paid except me hard game

[Marlin]

Thanks for the insight Mark.

[dberry]

$800 or maybe $1000 for a 4 rounder 6 rounder $1200 or $1500 some promotors pay you in tickets ozzy title you will probably get $2500 or $3000 if your lucky same for a regional title. $2000 for a state title Ive even heard of blokes getting paid in tickets for state title sometimes you have to raise enough in ticket sales for you and the bloke your fighting I could never get out of fight 4 rounders cause I didn't sell enough tickets and the least money I got paid was with the big promotors in tv fights there are a select few fighters that are making money in australia the rest of us if you can't sell tickets no fight hard game I started promoting my own fights I don't make any money of it last show did everyone got paid except me hard game

Tough gig indeed Mark, my hat goes off to you, and all other pro fighters.

[patron]

$800 or maybe $1000 for a 4 rounder 6 rounder $1200 or $1500 some promotors pay you in tickets ozzy title you will probably get $2500 or $3000 if your lucky same for a regional title. $2000 for a state title Ive even heard of blokes getting paid in tickets for state title sometimes you have to raise enough in ticket sales for you and the bloke your fighting I could never get out of fight 4 rounders cause I didn't sell enough tickets and the least money I got paid was with the big promotors in tv fights there are a select few fighters that are making money in australia the rest of us if you can't sell tickets no fight hard game I started promoting my own fights I don't make any money of it last show did everyone got paid except me hard game

years ago there used to be a boxers and trainers association ,trainers used to negotiate with the promoters and try to get the best for their fighters, nowadays they are in bed with the promoters a few years ago myself and a well known trainer put a few ads in the local papers and the boxing mag. ,asking for trainers to get together so we could have a united front, not one call from a trainer, the ones we called came up with some very weak excuses,promoters can,t put a program on without fighters its as simple as that, i hope you kick on with your own promotions, but you may find it hard to get prelims, you might have them lined but one call from up top and they have a busted hand, all the best

[Mark pawsey]

Just finished reading Wally carrs book and in it he talks about getting $4000 for a Australian title fight and that's over 20 years ago what happend I think boxing just doesn't have the interest anymore the moneys got to come from somewhere if no ones watching it where's the money going to come from so if you like boxing come and support it

[Hounddawg]

Look it's farken Christmas day and i'm the only noob who would consider posting, but Mark spurred me on, while i wait for the second family to arrive after My in laws just left, i can sneak a quick rant in.

It's great Mark that you've spotted the result/outcome, but you've failed to touch on the the problem, don't blame the fans, it's the promoters and THE FIGHTERS, you'll put bums on seats as soon as Boxers and Promoters stop treating everyone like a farken dickhead. The reason boxers don't get paid like they did 20 years a go for an Australian title is simple, because it's never the 2 best Australian fighters, fighting for the prestige of being called Australia's best nowadays. The world is too smart and moves far too quick with information at fingertips to be done over by some back ally scheister and you can't blame them for not wanting to watch an Indonesian, Fijian, Russian or what ever other ethnicity fighting for what should be the most sort after title here. The Australian title has become a joke to no end, i have people laughing at me when i tell em that a guy i know was an Australian champion, and they refuse to watch because it's to the fans opinion that it's a freebie and anyone can win an Australian Title

Andy Raymond spoke some very true words on the last televised card last year and closed in his statement by saying Australian boxing has some very serious competition from other fighting codes, and we could be looking at being knocked off as the number 1 fighting sport. It's time now to do something about it, this year i thought was the best domestically that i have witnessed in years, but the end of year televised cards were horrendous, i seen fights that you couldn't even call club fights being transmitted to living rooms around Australia, while there were some unbelievable cards being fought in secrecy around the country. It's an absolute shambles of a setup weather it is Fox or the promoters that just can't at least co ordinate a decent card on TV. If Fox have a strict rule for Fridays only for televised cards, why would you put a card on a Saturday, If the card is decent and media friendly why not drop the nitro shitt and put the decent card on instead. 20 to 30 cards a year is all Australia needs, if Fox or any promoter gets a brain block PM me and I'll put together a card in 5 minutes that will have fans coming back for more.

Fighters need to man up, the best need to fight the best all the time, if the words "I'm not ready yet" were ever uttered in any other sport that person would be shown the door, well at least the other hard assed sports anyway.

And i also understand the small promoter trying to put younger fighters thru the ranks so don't think i'm having a dig, i just don't think they belong anywhere on a television set, and i understand your disposition within the sport Mark and by no means was i having a go at you directly, i just thought i would throw a blanket over the sport. Opportunity is key.....if you waste any opportunity, it's your own fault when the sport becomes a tier 7 sport(competing against chess), and think about it Promoters/Fox it'll have your fingerprints all over it.

As patron says all the best

[Brute]

When did all these regional titles spring up? The Empire Title used to be the only thing between an Australian title and a World title. That was as late as the early 1970s. In 1970 a boxer would get about three months wages as prizemoney if he won an Australian title. I have said this before but great fighters from overseas used to come here and fight for Australian titles. Now virtual novices fight for it. It is wrong. An Australian Champion should be the best fighter in the country in his division, even if he is a world champion. This "every child gets a prize" approach is ridiculous.

[colin russell]

Have to agree with you Haundawg, Also the promoters are told by Fox Sport how many rounds they can put on there card.

[Mark pawsey]

Well I had a promotor call me I'm not going to say his name his words were do you want a state title shot? I said yes how much? He offered to pay me in tickets I said give me $2000 I'm not asking for much I just wanna get paid for a fight and he got all offended didn't want to pay the money. The fight didn't happen so that's why alot of fights don't happen I can speak from a boxer and a promotor so I know how hard it is to promote a show but in some cases they want you to fight blokes that your not expected to beat that sell alot of tickets for nothing and that's why alot of fights don't happen

[Sweet P]

When did all these regional titles spring up? The Empire Title used to be the only thing between an Australian title and a World title. That was as late as the early 1970s. In 1970 a boxer would get about three months wages as prizemoney if he won an Australian title. I have said this before but great fighters from overseas used to come here and fight for Australian titles. Now virtual novices fight for it. It is wrong. An Australian Champion should be the best fighter in the country in his division, even if he is a world champion. This "every child gets a prize" approach is ridiculous.

I thoroughly agree Brute.

The Australian Champ should be the best fighter in his division. I would rather see guys like Katsidis, Green, Darchinyan etc hold the belt.
I also think it should be over 12 rounds.

[everclear]

I recall a local boxer earning $10 for coming second prize in a beauty contest when landing on a community chest.

[patron]

i,m pleased to see you fellows are agreeing on what is wrong with the game, i mentioned all of yourconcerns way back,the downhill run started when they started to sell those bodgie titles,then again i,m just an old stirrer,all the best

[Mark pawsey]

You still have to be a pretty decent fighter to get a title

[patron]

You still have to be a pretty decent fighter to get a title

i agree with you mark, i,m not having a shot at the fighters, it is just the way our titles are being shunned by our top fighters for the nothing titles the promoters put up to pull the crowd, and most of the crowd are just there to drink and be seen, a bit of blood and they are happy,as i said in another post i have seen some very good fights in the last year,what we need is trainers putting their fighters first ,not the promotersand their own egos. keep up the good work mark, remember ,your s,mothers your best friend,all the best

[dberry]

I helped train Paul Lee for his last boxing fight, we wanted him to go out with a win and to upset the fact that he was yet again the 'opponent'.

Paul was getting three grand a fight, give or take, due to him taking big(gish) fights on short notice and going the distance whilst putting up a fight, yet not doing enough to win. He was his own manager.

A mate got offered ten large to fight Adam Vella for the Australian title on four days notice, he knocked it back.

Another mate, Stewy Moller, Got better than ten grand (I don't recall the correct amount but I think it was 15 large) to fight Victor Oganov on short notice.

Another mate (still a four round fighter) demands, and gets, $200 per minute scheduled. He manages to sell a good deal of tables/tickets to justify this, and picks up a handy percentage off of this.

My advice would be to get a decent win or two up, whilst trying hard to get people to buy tickets, getting a fan base up, or to become a professional short notice opponent if you want to make money out of this caper.

[Da Voice]

When did all these regional titles spring up? The Empire Title used to be the only thing between an Australian title and a World title. That was as late as the early 1970s. In 1970 a boxer would get about three months wages as prizemoney if he won an Australian title. I have said this before but great fighters from overseas used to come here and fight for Australian titles. Now virtual novices fight for it. It is wrong. An Australian Champion should be the best fighter in the country in his division, even if he is a world champion. This "every child gets a prize" approach is ridiculous.

In those days there was no Australian title governing body, therefore, anyone could fight for it.
ANBF Ltd was born on 31/8/88 & became Australian title rightful owner. Prior to this unincorporated body ABF existed, but had no clout.
First office bearers of ANBF Ltd were David Warry (president) Alan Moore (vice-president) Peter Burchall (secretary) & Malcolm Bulner (treasurer)

[patron]

When did all these regional titles spring up? The Empire Title used to be the only thing between an Australian title and a World title. That was as late as the early 1970s. In 1970 a boxer would get about three months wages as prizemoney if he won an Australian title. I have said this before but great fighters from overseas used to come here and fight for Australian titles. Now virtual novices fight for it. It is wrong. An Australian Champion should be the best fighter in the country in his division, even if he is a world champion. This "every child gets a prize" approach is ridiculous.

In those days there was no Australian title governing body, therefore, anyone could fight for it.
ANBF Ltd was born on 31/8/88 & became Australian title rightful owner. Prior to this unincorporated body ABF existed, but had no clout.
First office bearers of ANBF Ltd were David Warry (president) Alan Moore (vice-president) Peter Burchall (secretary) & Malcolm Bulner (treasurer)

what are THOSE DAYS that you are referring to, i can,t remember anyone disputing patrick, sands ,tollis, barnes the list is endless of holding the title, the top half of the ladder regularly fought each other, nobodies could not put on a title fight, stadiums ltd used to usually put on the title fights, we had some great imports out here in those days, after mordey the slide started, i don,t mean the quality of fighters but the matchups, and don,t try and tell me the anbf improved things,all the best

[stus]

the money can obviously vary, but as mark p said its a hard way to make a quid. tickets are the way to make money. most fighters agree to a purse similar to what mark mentioned then agree to a take of ticket sales.
if you can sell tickets you will make enough.
one thing i dont get is why more fighters dont fight the best out there and worry about the money later. if you are an up and comer fight the best in aus not imports. as a pro 90% of fighters still hold down a day job so if you really want to succeed why not sacrifice a bit of your purse to fight the best. instead of out pricing yourself stand up and take the going rate. afterall as an amateur you werent getting payed, and were still working.
this money you sacrifice doesnt go to the promoter believe me but it will enable him to put on more high quality shows. once you make a name for yourself the money will come. look at katsidid, green, and geale to a lesser extent, all starting to make very good money.
just my way of thimking guys is $250 a round against an import really worth it when you will get the same to fight a local lad and earn respect for taking the tougher fight

[Mark pawsey]

About fighting imports there is not alot of boxers in Australia so sometimes you have to. Let's face it who wants to be pro boxer you have to sell tickets and if you don't sell your career will go on the express train to no where sad to say but that's how it is. I wish I had the power to change things. There are some people with that power they don't change things.