Sporting Life announce their British Top Ten

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Sporting Life announce their British Top Ten

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Sportinglife.com Pound-for-Pound British Top Ten:

1 - Lennox Lewis

2 - Joe Calzaghe

3 - Howard Eastman

4 - Ricky Hatton

5 - Scott Harrison

6 - Michael Brodie

7 - Junior Witter

8 - Brian Magee

9 - Richard Williams

10 - Michael Gomez


Brodie's too low in my opinion. Doesn't a draw for the WBC title count for more than a WBO title win (Scott Harrison)! Oh, yes.
Hatton should also be above Howard Eastman, who really hasn't done anything since that disappointing loss to Joppy. Hatton's wins this year over "Cool" Phillips and Ben Tackie mean far more than Eastman's wins over Scott Dann and a washed-up Hacine Cherifi.
Otherwise, I feel it's a fair list.
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I would move Hatton and Brodie above Eastman who has done nothing to warrant such a lofty position.

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bennie wrote:Sportinglife.com Pound-for-Pound British Top Ten:

1 - Lennox Lewis

2 - Joe Calzaghe

3 - Howard Eastman

4 - Ricky Hatton

5 - Scott Harrison

6 - Michael Brodie

7 - Junior Witter

8 - Brian Magee

9 - Richard Williams

10 - Michael Gomez


Brodie's too low in my opinion. Doesn't a draw for the WBC title count for more than a WBO title win (Scott Harrison)! Oh, yes.
Hatton should also be above Howard Eastman, who really hasn't done anything since that disappointing loss to Joppy. Hatton's wins this year over "Cool" Phillips and Ben Tackie mean far more than Eastman's wins over Scott Dann and a washed-up Hacine Cherifi.
Otherwise, I feel it's a fair list.
I think its way off actually. Eastman above Hatton - okay who has won at world class out of these two.

Is Richard Williams the #1 Light Middle?

Is Michael Gomez the #1 Super Feather.

Who has Brian Magee beaten to warrant such a lofty ranking? Same with Junior Witter.

Damean Kelly and Jason Cook have beaten former world title condetors and champions respectively they are also the #1 fighter in their devision.

I don't want to sound big headed, but I think my P4P rankings is much more balanced, even if you take out McCullough and replace him with Cook.

The last four fighters should be near the top ten yet - Cateley and Reid should be ranked higher than Magee, Lear should be there before Gomez, and Takaloo should be there before Williams.
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stujones wrote:
bennie wrote:Sportinglife.com Pound-for-Pound British Top Ten:

1 - Lennox Lewis

2 - Joe Calzaghe

3 - Howard Eastman

4 - Ricky Hatton

5 - Scott Harrison

6 - Michael Brodie

7 - Junior Witter

8 - Brian Magee

9 - Richard Williams

10 - Michael Gomez


Brodie's too low in my opinion. Doesn't a draw for the WBC title count for more than a WBO title win (Scott Harrison)! Oh, yes.
Hatton should also be above Howard Eastman, who really hasn't done anything since that disappointing loss to Joppy. Hatton's wins this year over "Cool" Phillips and Ben Tackie mean far more than Eastman's wins over Scott Dann and a washed-up Hacine Cherifi.
Otherwise, I feel it's a fair list.
I think its way off actually. Eastman above Hatton - okay who has won at world class out of these two.

Is Richard Williams the #1 Light Middle?

Is Michael Gomez the #1 Super Feather.

Who has Brian Magee beaten to warrant such a lofty ranking? Same with Junior Witter.

Damean Kelly and Jason Cook have beaten former world title condetors and champions respectively they are also the #1 fighter in their devision.

I don't want to sound big headed, but I think my P4P rankings is much more balanced, even if you take out McCullough and replace him with Cook.

The last four fighters should be near the top ten yet - Cateley and Reid should be ranked higher than Magee, Lear should be there before Gomez, and Takaloo should be there before Williams.
For the year 2003, which this list clearly reflects, I think it's quite accurate.
To answer a few of your points: I'm not quite sure what you mean about your Hatton/Eastman comparison. You ask, who has won in world class out of those two? The answer would be Hatton, surely. The best man Eastman has beaten is Robert McCracken, and that was years ago. Hatton's win over Tackie (admittedly, only a top 15 fighter according to the IBF) came last month. The Phillips win was also a good one last year. Even Aldo Rios was ranked in the world top 10 lightweights. I would love to see Eastman fight a world class light-middleweight in comparison. Anything rather than Jorge Sendra!
As for Takaloo over Richard Williams! No way. Williams lost his IBO title in a war with the gifted Sergio Martinez, flooring him twice in the process. Tak had a similar fight with gifted southpaw Daniel Santos, and was never really in the hunt. The win over Pestriaev that Williams scored last year (a man who had licked the previously unbeaten Steve Roberts) was a better win than Tak's win over Jim Rock. Much much better.
At this moment, Gomez IS also a better fighter than Jason Cook and the light-hitting Damaen Kelly in my opinion, both of whom slipped back after disappointing performances in 2003. Cook lost his European title on the scales of course, hardly beat a world-beater in that green-haired Argie last time out, and didn't look great in his narrow win over the awkward Zoff either. Kelly was exposed to the body by Pacheco (his only fight last year) and refuses to get it on with natural flyweight rival Peter Culshaw (both men blame the other for stalling in truth). Gomez, on the other hand, took on the unbeaten Alex Arthur in the proverbial Lion's Den of Edinburgh, and was sensational. Truly sensational. I understand your Kevin Lear reasoning, but Lear didn't fight at all last year, and until he does, stick Gomez at number 10.
Reid and Catley are through as big-time fighters in my opinion.
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bennie wrote:
stujones wrote:
bennie wrote:Sportinglife.com Pound-for-Pound British Top Ten:

1 - Lennox Lewis

2 - Joe Calzaghe

3 - Howard Eastman

4 - Ricky Hatton

5 - Scott Harrison

6 - Michael Brodie

7 - Junior Witter

8 - Brian Magee

9 - Richard Williams

10 - Michael Gomez


Brodie's too low in my opinion. Doesn't a draw for the WBC title count for more than a WBO title win (Scott Harrison)! Oh, yes.
Hatton should also be above Howard Eastman, who really hasn't done anything since that disappointing loss to Joppy. Hatton's wins this year over "Cool" Phillips and Ben Tackie mean far more than Eastman's wins over Scott Dann and a washed-up Hacine Cherifi.
Otherwise, I feel it's a fair list.
I think its way off actually. Eastman above Hatton - okay who has won at world class out of these two.

Is Richard Williams the #1 Light Middle?

Is Michael Gomez the #1 Super Feather.

Who has Brian Magee beaten to warrant such a lofty ranking? Same with Junior Witter.

Damean Kelly and Jason Cook have beaten former world title condetors and champions respectively they are also the #1 fighter in their devision.

I don't want to sound big headed, but I think my P4P rankings is much more balanced, even if you take out McCullough and replace him with Cook.

The last four fighters should be near the top ten yet - Cateley and Reid should be ranked higher than Magee, Lear should be there before Gomez, and Takaloo should be there before Williams.
For the year 2003, which this list clearly reflects, I think it's quite accurate.
To answer a few of your points: I'm not quite sure what you mean about your Hatton/Eastman comparison. You ask, who has won in world class out of those two? The answer would be Hatton, surely. The best man Eastman has beaten is Robert McCracken, and that was years ago. Hatton's win over Tackie (admittedly, only a top 15 fighter according to the IBF) came last month. The Phillips win was also a good one last year. Even Aldo Rios was ranked in the world top 10 lightweights. I would love to see Eastman fight a world class light-middleweight in comparison. Anything rather than Jorge Sendra!
As for Takaloo over Richard Williams! No way. Williams lost his IBO title in a war with the gifted Sergio Martinez, flooring him twice in the process. Tak had a similar fight with gifted southpaw Daniel Santos, and was never really in the hunt. The win over Pestriaev that Williams scored last year (a man who had licked the previously unbeaten Steve Roberts) was a better win than Tak's win over Jim Rock. Much much better.
At this moment, Gomez IS also a better fighter than Jason Cook and the light-hitting Damaen Kelly in my opinion, both of whom slipped back after disappointing performances in 2003. Cook lost his European title on the scales of course, hardly beat a world-beater in that green-haired Argie last time out, and didn't look great in his narrow win over the awkward Zoff either. Kelly was exposed to the body by Pacheco (his only fight last year) and refuses to get it on with natural flyweight rival Peter Culshaw (both men blame the other for stalling in truth). Gomez, on the other hand, took on the unbeaten Alex Arthur in the proverbial Lion's Den of Edinburgh, and was sensational. Truly sensational. I understand your Kevin Lear reasoning, but Lear didn't fight at all last year, and until he does, stick Gomez at number 10.
Reid and Catley are through as big-time fighters in my opinion.
Re Hatton vs Eastman. Exactly, thats what I meant Hatton has faught at the higher level, so how come Sporting Life have Eastman higher. Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you, merely the list from Sporting life.

Jason Cook dissapointing in 2003? Sorry, okay I know losing his European title on the scales was a big blow, but he's still scored what I thought was a good win over former world champion, and current European champion Zoff.

Okay, Kelly lost to Pachecco, but that was the number 1 in the devision there is no shame in that and over the course of his career has won the European champion, beating a very good fighter (still world ranked). Michael Gomez hasn't come close to such an acclaim, although yes his last win was excellent.

Johnny Nelson still should have a place there somewhere also.

Yes, the Santos and Martinez defeats by the Brit boys was very similar (although Williams took a far worse beating). However, Santos is a double world champion and has beaten some good guys - Martinez is underated who clearly deserves a crack at Santos, but has been beaten at a few stages lower than world class in the past. Also, it must be taken into account that the Martinez defeat was in Williams' last fight.
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What about Johnny Nelson? surely he deserves to be in the top 10?.
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From this, we can deduce that Sporting Life know very little about boxing.
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