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Started using the regime described in the book "Starting Strength - Basic Barbell Training" - Mark Rippetoe.

I've never done any weights before past a few benches sporadically here and there. Getting big has never really interested me, however I've lost a lot of weight so want to tighten back up. I'm piss weak but hopefully I'll see some good improvements. Anyway day 1:

Squat 3x5rm: 70kg
Bench 3x5rm: 50kg
Deadlift 5rm: 75kg


Starting weight: 85.1kg's after workout.


Finished with some weighted situps as I was having a bit of a problem keeping my back tight during the lifts and it said something in the book about that likely being down to weak abs.

Going to have 2 days off the gym now as I've got 5-a-side football tomorrow and need to get at least 1 day of rest in. Back on Thursday with the squat, the press and the power clean. Wish me luck :TU:

P.S. Any advice or encouragement would be more than welcome.
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Good luck lad!

I'm in a similar boat so will cling on to any fortcoming replies. :OhYes:
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I started using it a few months ago, and had to give it up. :oo

The thing was hampering my running, the main exercise that keeps my body in check and them moobs away.

I still do the exercises, but have stopped at a certain weight with the leg exercises.

Squat - 60kg - pussy :shame:

Bench - 70k - :DDD

Deadlift 100kg

Hanging powercleans - 40kg

Press - 40kg

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Haha I felt like I could have done more on the squat but the book basically says for your first go you should stop adding weight when your form is affected so I stopped there.

Can imagine it giving you trouble with running, I felt OK yesterday but am hurting today. Got a game of 5-a-side tonight which doesn't sound like fun right now.
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Jeez, I got my squat up to 80kgs, but have NO recovery time. I play football, and run a lot of the days I don't lift, and I can't give them up, because I love them. Starting Strength had to suffer. I now lift what I can without it killing my legs on my days off.

Advice needed; my fecking bench has stalled at 70kgs. 3 sets of 5 reps is hard. I managed 4, then 2, then another 2. Should I drop the weight down or perservere? 2 weeks ago, I also pulled my hamstring doing bench!! How the flip? I am still confuzzled by that.
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Dioufy wrote:Jeez, I got my squat up to 80kgs, but have NO recovery time. I play football, and run a lot of the days I don't lift, and I can't give them up, because I love them. Starting Strength had to suffer. I now lift what I can without it killing my legs on my days off.

Advice needed; my fecking bench has stalled at 70kgs. 3 sets of 5 reps is hard. I managed 4, then 2, then another 2. Should I drop the weight down or perservere? 2 weeks ago, I also pulled my hamstring doing bench!! How the flip? I am still confuzzled by that.

Haha I have a friction burn on my arse, I'm guessing from raising my lower back doing the bench. Least I hope that's how I got it. The book suggests to maybe take off 10% and work your way back up but I'm sure there are people in here that know better.

As for the football/running, I played for about 40minutes last night then had to knock it. Adrenaline carried me ok for about 1/2 and hour then I could barely run. My legs are pretty damn sore today so tomorrow should be fun :witzend:
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Deadendgeneration wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Jeez, I got my squat up to 80kgs, but have NO recovery time. I play football, and run a lot of the days I don't lift, and I can't give them up, because I love them. Starting Strength had to suffer. I now lift what I can without it killing my legs on my days off.

Advice needed; my fecking bench has stalled at 70kgs. 3 sets of 5 reps is hard. I managed 4, then 2, then another 2. Should I drop the weight down or perservere? 2 weeks ago, I also pulled my hamstring doing bench!! How the flip? I am still confuzzled by that.

Haha I have a friction burn on my arse, I'm guessing from raising my lower back doing the bench. Least I hope that's how I got it. The book suggests to maybe take off 10% and work your way back up but I'm sure there are people in here that know better.

As for the football/running, I played for about 40minutes last night then had to knock it. Adrenaline carried me ok for about 1/2 and hour then I could barely run. My legs are pretty damn sore today so tomorrow should be fun :witzend:
If you carry on adding weight and running/playing football, then say goodbye to your legs - they're sbout to die.

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Dioufy wrote:Squat - 60kg - pussy :shame:

Bench - 70k - :DDD .
Dioufy, for what it's worth, you've got a serious imbalance there that you should address, if only as a form of prehab - your squat max should be comfortably above your bench max.
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Deserter wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Squat - 60kg - pussy :shame:

Bench - 70k - :DDD .
Dioufy, for what it's worth, you've got a serious imbalance there that you should address, if only as a form of prehab - your squat max should be comfortably above your bench max.
I could take my squat up, but when I do, my running suffers big time. I stick to a comfatable squatting weight, so my legs don't die.

Is that wrong?

:-?
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Dioufy wrote:
Deserter wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Squat - 60kg - pussy :shame:

Bench - 70k - :DDD .
Dioufy, for what it's worth, you've got a serious imbalance there that you should address, if only as a form of prehab - your squat max should be comfortably above your bench max.
I could take my squat up, but when I do, my running suffers big time. I stick to a comfatable squatting weight, so my legs don't die.

Is that wrong?

:-?
What's wrong is that your squatting shouldn't be impacting your running like that - you'll need to explain more with regards to how it's detrimental. If it's just tiredness/stiffness, it's primarily a programming issue.
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I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
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Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Running shouldn't be impeding your recovery time as it's not the same functionality as squatting - there are plenty of guys out there who can squat way north of the 100kg mark and still do 5km in under 20 mins.
It sounds to me like you're going into overkill on your squatting as your legs shouldn't be 'dead' on a constant basis - that reeks of over-training.
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Deserter wrote:
Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Running shouldn't be impeding your recovery time as it's not the same functionality as squatting - there are plenty of guys out there who can squat way north of the 100kg mark and still do 5km in under 20 mins.
It sounds to me like you're going into overkill on your squatting as your legs shouldn't be 'dead' on a constant basis - that reeks of over-training.
3 sets of 5 reps, adding new weight each time is hard. It hurts like hell and does impede running for mere mortals like me.
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Dioufy wrote:
Deserter wrote:
Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Running shouldn't be impeding your recovery time as it's not the same functionality as squatting - there are plenty of guys out there who can squat way north of the 100kg mark and still do 5km in under 20 mins.
It sounds to me like you're going into overkill on your squatting as your legs shouldn't be 'dead' on a constant basis - that reeks of over-training.
3 sets of 5 reps, adding new weight each time is hard. It hurts like hell and does impede running for mere mortals like me.
Dioufy, there are two things at play here:
1) Body adaptation - I suspect you actually haven't stuck with it long enough to give your body time to adjust. It will, as many other 'mere mortals' (including me) have found.
2) Hurting like hell each time implies to me that you're trying to do too much weight, too soon. This is from the starting strength wiki:
"failure training for a novice is generally not going to produce the intended effect and is unnecessary and potentially harmful. Training form/technique tends to break down significantly in the novice who is exercising to failure, which can lead to injury. It can also reinforce technique flaws since you will consistently perform improper technique. What you do over and over becomes ingrained in your basic motor function. If you tend to have a shitty bench when you hit failure, the more often you hit failure, the more often your technique is compromised, the more often the improper technique is reinforced.

Additionally, novices have a much greater incidence of asymmetric balance, i.e. "my left arm is stronger than my right arm!" This results in significant asymmetric loading during pressing and pulling exercises, which can end up shredding a shoulder/rotator cuff or tearing up the trainee's spinal erectors because of an imbalanced load on the spine.

You should never need to take any of your sets to failure as a novice. You only count repetitions that you complete 100% on your own. If your spotter touches the bar AT ALL, then the rep doesn't count. If your technique isn't solid (i.e. if you bounce the bar off your chest, or don't go deep enough in the squat), then the rep doesn't count.

Your first set should be a slight challenge, your second set a reasonable challenge, and your third set of each exercise should be quite difficult to complete, but you SHOULD be able to complete it with no assistance from anyone else, while maintaining proper technique."

The bottom line is that if you're following these protocols and give your body time to adapt, the problem will go away.
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You fornicating twat!!

:evil:

You made perfect sense - now I need to go back to squatting.

fornicating twat!!

hehehehe

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Dioufy wrote:You effing twat!!

:evil:

You made perfect sense - now I need to go back to squatting.

effing twat!!

hehehehe

:(
:lol: I read the first line and though "sh*t, what did I say that was so bad?!" :lol:
There are a couple of other things you can experiment with such as doing your cardio immediately after your squats (believe it or not) and having a recovery day the following day. You can also do variations of squatting e.g. alternate between back, front and sumo squats. Finally, even if you just did squatting twice a week you should still be able to make gains at your level and have longer recovery time, and then you can always step it up if you start to feel comfortable at that volume :?? :TU:
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Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Are you squatting on each day that you lift? If so you may well be overtraining. Personally I only ever train each body part once a week (body split over 4 sessions), as anything greater than this impedes my recovery.

Big excercises like squats take time to recover from. If your legs are stiff / sore from your last workout you need more time to recover.
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jonoevansla wrote:
Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Are you squatting on each day that you lift?
That's what is says to do in SS. I lift Mon, Wed, Fri.
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Been back on this for about a month now. No normal squats because the gym doesn't have a squat rack, only the smith :evil: Replaced them with front squats (which seem to really hurt my wrists because my form is off I guess) split squats and sissy squats.

On workout 1 I'm up to:

3x5 65kg's bench press
1x5 115kg's deadlift

Workout 2:

Press 3x5 57.5kg's
Power clean 3x5 67.5kg's

I've ordered a power rack of the internet so hopefully I can start doing normal squats soon. Added in cable pulldowns and assisted pull ups at the suggestion of someone on here :TU: I can now do 3-4 pull ups unassisted; it's not much but a month ago I could barely do 1.

Had no problem with my running. My weekly schedule is as follows:

Monday: HIIT
Tuesday: Weights workout 1 or 2 (alternates weekly)
Wednesday: Distance running, adding a km each week, up to 13 at the moment.
Thursday: Weights workout 1 or 2, the opposite of Tuesday
Friday: HIIT
Saturday: Same as Monday
Sunday: Rest (usually just a bit of table tennis)
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Dioufy wrote:
jonoevansla wrote:
Dioufy wrote:I run, like I always have, on the days I don't lift. I lift on Mon, Wed and Fri and run Tues, Thurs and Sat. To keep increasing my squat, I need recovery time, which I don't have. That severly hampers my squat. On the days I don't lift, my legs are dead, thus majorly hampering my ability to run.
Are you squatting on each day that you lift?
That's what is says to do in SS. I lift Mon, Wed, Fri.
depending on the weights you're using, i'd say you're quite possibly overtraining, mate.

there are plenty of powerlifters who only squat heavy once a week. and these people have been squatting a decade or more.

3 sessions of squats a week is too much, IMO. like jonoevans says above you need a lot of time to recover from the big-muscle exercises, and htey don't get much bigger-muscle than squats.

maybe try one weekly session heavy(ish) and one light(ish)?
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Anyone wanna buy the book off me? It's in a top-notch state. Mainly used under my laptop these days to keep my lappers temp down.
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Counter-puncher wrote:
Dioufy wrote:
jonoevansla wrote: Are you squatting on each day that you lift?
That's what is says to do in SS. I lift Mon, Wed, Fri.
depending on the weights you're using, i'd say you're quite possibly overtraining, mate.

there are plenty of powerlifters who only squat heavy once a week. and these people have been squatting a decade or more.

3 sessions of squats a week is too much, IMO. like jonoevans says above you need a lot of time to recover from the big-muscle exercises, and htey don't get much bigger-muscle than squats.

maybe try one weekly session heavy(ish) and one light(ish)?
Took squatting down to once a week - impossible to do otherwise, for me.
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that should work better mate

i had this with my dad for years he thought more = more.

he did all 3 powerlifting exercises MINIMUM 3x per week, and normally benched 5 times.

when i got him down to benching 3x per week which is still too much he started recovering a bit better and gaining a bit better. that was aged 55 or so.
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