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Wouldn't mind knowing what channel its on

Take it its Warrens, from the buncy comment?

DD

I'm glad were only in cyber contact

This will be a tough, tough fight for Toney. If he doesn't start well early he could have major problems in later half.

Toney is looking in decent shape. He has lost all his heavyweight flab and looks sharp enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foyvj1-yHyA

I'm not sure why your so excited about it, he's 43 and hasn't been a force for years.

yid14 wrote:I'm not sure why your so excited about it, he's 43 and hasn't been a force for years.

KG possesses serious manlove for Toney.

Deno1986 wrote:

yid14 wrote:I'm not sure why your so excited about it, he's 43 and hasn't been a force for years.

KG possesses serious manlove for Toney.

fair enough.

King Geedorah wrote:

yid14 wrote:I'm not sure why your so excited about it, he's 43 and hasn't been a force for years.

He's a genuis.

Naw, he’s a double genius. When Paul McCartney sings you listen. When Russell Crowe acts you watch. When Toney fights you can’t help but feel a frisson of excitement.

When he beat Jirov I almost broke my ankle, a table, upset my neighbour and turned my back on the BBC (they carried the fight but lost sound on the post-fight analysis and didn’t carry an interview with JT).

Not even John Terry can dim JT’s brilliance. And John's an effing ass clown.

I was gutted when he beat Nunn but I'd really grown to like him by the time he lost to Roy Jones - the good old days, when you could watch all these american superstars on ITV.

I'm missing all this cos I can't get allegedly.

I'm looking for one of these emoticons with a bloke crying or shooting his brains out... either will do...

I'm sure I posted on a thread about ideas for allegedly TV shows but can't find it. Am I losing my mind?

Ezzard wrote:I'm missing all this cos I can't get Allegedly channel.

I'm looking for one of these emoticons with a bloke crying or shooting his brains out... either will do...

I'm sure I posted on a thread about ideas for Allegedly channel TV shows but can't find it. Am I losing my mind?

No you're not. I posted on it too. Surely it can't have been that controversial that they've had to take it down?

I think Lebedev's last fight with Jones was on a free stream, so was hoping allegedly would pick this up on special offer. Toney is a living legend, a true genius, though a fat one these days. He should win this, but he definitely doesn't want to get hit too much by the rock hard Russian, who's got a face that would make a mule back away from a bucket of oats.

Toney hasn't fought a great deal in recent times and unlike Hopkins, i don't think he will be a succesful fighter in his 40's !!

James is entertaining on you tube and there seems to be countless videos of him talking about everybody in boxing. It's funny when he runs his mouth off at people and calls out everyone and anyone who can put on a pair of boxing gloves, but the reality is that he is a washed up fighter trying to cash in on his name. The cage fighting stuff was a complete embaressment and he hasn't fought a top level fighter in years. James is perhaps skilled enough to not get into major trouble with Lebedev, but he will lose the fight by a landslide, because whether or not he is in shape, he is an old fighter who's skills have declined a lot.

Maybe this fight with Lebedev is a way for Toney to entice Roy Jones to fight him at cruiserweight, ie, if he somehow beats Lebedev, he can say to Jones "He knocked you out, i beat him........lets get it on" because i feel he still has unfinished business where Roy Jones is concerned. Also, don't be suprised if he starts talking up a Hopkins fight down the line, but that is all if he beats Lebedev and i personally don't think he has a chance of beating him.

Quixall wrote:Toney hasn't fought a great deal in recent times and unlike Hopkins, i don't think he will be a succesful fighter in his 40's !!

James is entertaining on you tube and there seems to be countless videos of him talking about everybody in boxing. It's funny when he runs his mouth off at people and calls out everyone and anyone who can put on a pair of boxing gloves, but the reality is that he is a washed up fighter trying to cash in on his name. The cage fighting stuff was a complete embaressment and he hasn't fought a top level fighter in years. James is perhaps skilled enough to not get into major trouble with Lebedev, but he will lose the fight by a landslide, because whether or not he is in shape, he is an old fighter who's skills have declined a lot.

Maybe this fight with Lebedev is a way for Toney to entice Roy Jones to fight him at cruiserweight, ie, if he somehow beats Lebedev, he can say to Jones "He knocked you out, i beat him........lets get it on" because i feel he still has unfinished business where Roy Jones is concerned. Also, don't be suprised if he starts talking up a Hopkins fight down the line, but that is all if he beats Lebedev and i personally don't think he has a chance of beating him.

That's what I was going to say! Toney slags off Roy whenever possible and probably wants to get one up on him.... He's followed Roy down the wrong path though Lebedev is a nasty puncher.

Roy will be laughing last..long gone are Toney's halcyon days.

Final round wrote:

Quixall wrote:Toney hasn't fought a great deal in recent times and unlike Hopkins, i don't think he will be a succesful fighter in his 40's !!

James is entertaining on you tube and there seems to be countless videos of him talking about everybody in boxing. It's funny when he runs his mouth off at people and calls out everyone and anyone who can put on a pair of boxing gloves, but the reality is that he is a washed up fighter trying to cash in on his name. The cage fighting stuff was a complete embaressment and he hasn't fought a top level fighter in years. James is perhaps skilled enough to not get into major trouble with Lebedev, but he will lose the fight by a landslide, because whether or not he is in shape, he is an old fighter who's skills have declined a lot.

Maybe this fight with Lebedev is a way for Toney to entice Roy Jones to fight him at cruiserweight, ie, if he somehow beats Lebedev, he can say to Jones "He knocked you out, i beat him........lets get it on" because i feel he still has unfinished business where Roy Jones is concerned. Also, don't be suprised if he starts talking up a Hopkins fight down the line, but that is all if he beats Lebedev and i personally don't think he has a chance of beating him.

That's what I was going to say! Toney slags off Roy whenever possible and probably wants to get one up on him.... He's followed Roy down the wrong path though Lebedev is a nasty puncher.

Roy will be laughing last..long gone are Toney's halcyon days.

We think alike

Toney will lose the fight but i don't think he will be knocked out, maybe stopped by the ref if he is not doing much and comes under a barrage of punches, but where as Jones was moving up in weight for that fight, Toney has been at heavyweight for a long time now. Also Jones relies ort did rely on his speed, where a Toney has good defensive skills so a points loss is more likely.

Quixall wrote:

Final round wrote:

Quixall wrote:Toney hasn't fought a great deal in recent times and unlike Hopkins, i don't think he will be a succesful fighter in his 40's !!

James is entertaining on you tube and there seems to be countless videos of him talking about everybody in boxing. It's funny when he runs his mouth off at people and calls out everyone and anyone who can put on a pair of boxing gloves, but the reality is that he is a washed up fighter trying to cash in on his name. The cage fighting stuff was a complete embaressment and he hasn't fought a top level fighter in years. James is perhaps skilled enough to not get into major trouble with Lebedev, but he will lose the fight by a landslide, because whether or not he is in shape, he is an old fighter who's skills have declined a lot.

Maybe this fight with Lebedev is a way for Toney to entice Roy Jones to fight him at cruiserweight, ie, if he somehow beats Lebedev, he can say to Jones "He knocked you out, i beat him........lets get it on" because i feel he still has unfinished business where Roy Jones is concerned. Also, don't be suprised if he starts talking up a Hopkins fight down the line, but that is all if he beats Lebedev and i personally don't think he has a chance of beating him.

That's what I was going to say! Toney slags off Roy whenever possible and probably wants to get one up on him.... He's followed Roy down the wrong path though Lebedev is a nasty puncher.

Roy will be laughing last..long gone are Toney's halcyon days.

We think alike

Toney will lose the fight but i don't think he will be knocked out, maybe stopped by the ref if he is not doing much and comes under a barrage of punches, but where as Jones was moving up in weight for that fight, Toney has been at heavyweight for a long time now. Also Jones relies ort did rely on his speed, where a Toney has good defensive skills so a points loss is more likely.

True but he looks old and slow in this clip below, he weighed 257lbs earlier this year, dropping all that weight must be tough at his age. I can just see Lebedev keeping the pace up into the late rounds. Where old Toney should slow down badly. Like you say maybe he ends up on the defensive just to stay in the game.

Deno1986 wrote:Toney is looking in decent shape. He has lost all his heavyweight flab and looks sharp enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foyvj1-yHyA

Those kind of videos don't give much away because it depends on what sort of session that was...................

I just hope we don't see another Chris Byrd fight when he went down to light heavyweight from heavyweight !!

I think the problem for the likes of Toney is that the skills are still there but they decline because the sharpness and reactions have gone and in gerneral the work rate in the ring is only enough to see them through a 12 round fight, but not actually win it.

Quixall wrote:Those kind of videos don't give much away because it depends on what sort of session that was...................

I just hope we don't see another Chris Byrd fight when he went down to light heavyweight from heavyweight !!

I think the problem for the likes of Toney is that the skills are still there but they decline because the sharpness and reactions have gone and in gerneral the work rate in the ring is only enough to see them through a 12 round fight, but not actually win it.

Father time will factor big in this fight I'm sure, he's no Hopkins and his reactions must slow and tire quickly.

Ezzard wrote:I'm missing all this cos I can't get Allegedly channel.

I'm looking for one of these emoticons with a bloke crying or shooting his brains out... either will do...

I'm sure I posted on a thread about ideas for Allegedly channel TV shows but can't find it. Am I losing my mind?

Should be streamed on their website mate.

A fat old middleweight is the 'Greatest news ever'?

King Geedorah wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:A fat old middleweight is the 'Greatest news ever'?

No, the fact that his fight is on TV is the greatest news. And I think you'll find that he is a fat old middle, super-middle and cruiserweight champion with wins over Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Iran Barkley, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Vassilly Jirov and Evander Holyfield. He also did a better job on John Ruiz than most only for it to be changed to a NC. A legend, basically, who has been one of the most talented fighters in the world year in, year out for his entire career and who often ditched discipline but still racked up an impressive list of achievement. Talk of 'old school' all you like but Toney is unlikely to quit out if he's pushed over.

Then again, this is an Internet forum, so he is a fat bum who is going to get KTFO

Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy that lost to Dave Tiberi, got a couple of other lucky decisions, got humiliated by RJJ, couldn't beat Montell Griffin in two attempts. needed 9 rounds to beat Iran Barkley when Benn needed only one and also a proven drug cheat.

He's also fat, old and at least a decade past his prime.

The greatest news for Toney would be retirement before he gets even more brain damage.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:A fat old middleweight is the 'Greatest news ever'?

No, the fact that his fight is on TV is the greatest news. And I think you'll find that he is a fat old middle, super-middle and cruiserweight champion with wins over Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Iran Barkley, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Vassilly Jirov and Evander Holyfield. He also did a better job on John Ruiz than most only for it to be changed to a NC. A legend, basically, who has been one of the most talented fighters in the world year in, year out for his entire career and who often ditched discipline but still racked up an impressive list of achievement. Talk of 'old school' all you like but Toney is unlikely to quit out if he's pushed over.

Then again, this is an Internet forum, so he is a fat bum who is going to get KTFO

Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy that lost to Dave Tiberi, got a couple of other lucky decisions, got humiliated by RJJ, couldn't beat Montell Griffin in two attempts. needed 9 rounds to beat Iran Barkley when Benn needed only one and also a proven drug cheat.

He's also fat, old and at least a decade past his prime.

The greatest news for Toney would be retirement before he gets even more brain damage.

Oh and let's not forget that the only Hall of Famer that he ever fought during their prime was Roy Jones Jnr and what happened? Toney was put on his arse and totally dominated, while he barely won a round.

King Geedorah wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy that lost to Dave Tiberi, got a couple of other lucky decisions, got humiliated by RJJ, couldn't beat Montell Griffin in two attempts. needed 9 rounds to beat Iran Barkley when Benn needed only one and also a proven drug cheat.

He's also fat, old and at least a decade past his prime.

The greatest news for Toney would be retirement before he gets even more brain damage.

Oh and let's not forget that the only Hall of Famer that he ever fought during their prime was Roy Jones Jnr and what happened? Toney was put on his arse and totally dominated, while he barely won a round.

Put on his arse?! He got clipped with a left after dropping his hands and sticking chin out then was bundled back and kept up by the ropes resulting in the ref counting him. His 'arse' never touched the canvas. Perhaps you are thinking of the Reggie Johnson fight in which his backside actually touched the canvas. But that would imply that you'd actually watched his bouts when you so clearly haven't as you wouldn't make those silly mistakes.

On the other hand you've managed to research his list of opponents using Boxrec's database. Well done you.

A few other things: Benn did Iran in a round but committed a foul and the 3 knockdown rule played a huge part. He officially won against Tiberi so whatever you and other think of the result you should use '...' when saying it was a loss. Speaking of which, many felt Toney won the first fight with Montell, including HBO and others but it went down as a L.

I can post videos to the relevant fights if you'd like? They're quite enjoyable when viewing them for the first time.

I saw the fights the first time, but thanks for the offer.

Let me ask you this KG, how did you think Toney did in his fight against Roy Jones JNR?

All I ever see from 'keithmoon' is confrontational posts with other users and snide put downs of fighters, using boxrec to list every person they ever lost to in order to dismiss their abilities. Quite a flawed system as far as rating fighters given that they are only human and every single bout has its own story & circumstances.

But, if that makes him happy...

loaded_gloves wrote:All I ever see from 'keithmoon' is confrontational posts with other users and snide put downs of fighters, using boxrec to list every person they ever lost to in order to dismiss their abilities. Quite a flawed system as far as rating fighters given that they are only human and every single bout has its own story & circumstances.

But, if that makes him happy...

It must do, cause I am happy thanks.

You obviously haven't read many of my posts mate.

King Geedorah wrote:Chaps, this jokey(ish) thread was supposed to be a hymn of love to James Toney. Let's keep it that way

Toney Win?:

Yes
No
Richard 'The Secret' Williams

Toney wins on points, then beats Povetkin.