Calzaghe v Hearns

[Roco]

Ok, following on from the Hagler/Calzaghe thread. How does this one go?

Remember, despite Calzaghe's work rate, he does not have a history of stopping top level opposition. Hearns is vulnerable to punchers but I'm not sure Calzaghe fits this mould.

[roccittymaj]

My money would be on Hearns! Him and his hair wins the fight!

[Roars Like Me]

Yep Hearns stings Calzaghe a la Hopkins and Jones, the difference is Hearns is a better finisher.
KO hearns

[loaded_gloves]

No offence to Calzaghe who I have met and liked, but Hearns KO1 Calzaghe is where my one quid fortune would be.

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No way Hearns KOs 168lb Calzaghe IMO.

Calzaghe's stamina & workrate for have been too much for Hearns, especially at those higher weights.

[hhaehre]

At 168 I like Calzaghe. Barkley outhustled Hearns in their rematch and I think Calzaghe would do the same.

[NazNaci1]

I think Hearns tended to raise his game, if the opponent was a genuine threat or high profile. It was against the 'lesser' names, in general, where he tended to 'switch off'.

Calzaghe fits the bill, a high profile, undefeated champion and despite all his strengths, I do not believe, for one second his fitness and stamina would be able to shake off that bomb of a right. If Joe could get past 4 rounds then he could out hustle Hearns a la Barkley II but on the night, the right with the speed and power lands flush and drops him hard.

Hopkins and Jones did the trick and Eubank seriously and I mean seriously had him rocking and stunned in the last 10 secs of their fight. Hearns is on another planet, in terms of power at any weight he fought at (bar CW). Genuine one punch KO is not all that common, these days, but man did that guy have it.

Hearns with a stoppage within 4 rounds..

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At 168 I like Calzaghe. Barkley outhustled Hearns in their rematch and I think Calzaghe would do the same.

Agreed.

People who put the pressure on & could take a punch tended to do well against Hearns.

Calzaghe would certainly have put heaps of pressure on Hearns & that would have been key to him winning this hypothetical fight.

[Counter-puncher]

Calzaghe would certainly have put heaps of pressure on Hearns & that would have been key to him winning this hypothetical fight.

Calzaghe isn't guaranteed to pressure Hearns. certainly not guaranteed to pressure him successfully. he may find other ideas when he runs into one or two right hand counters. he didn't always fight at 100mph. after all, he ended up taking a step back and box-moving the last 5 rounds against Kessler, due to Kessler's success in counterpunching him hard when he came bowling forward, working almost exclusively with feinting and the jab for long parts of the championship rounds. also, as far as fighters who applied pressure having success against Hearns, the guys who did that weren't hampered by hands made from pastry.

Hearns takes this IMO.

[loaded_gloves]

There's simply no comparison between the power of Hearns and the men who decked & hurt JC - ageing Hopkins, shot RJJ, Salem, Mitchell.

JC does not have the firepower to intimidate Hearns and he certainly was hurt badly by lesser men.

People really are swayed by that highly contestable 46-0, one of the most dubious undefeated records I have ever seen!

[Goodnight, Irene]

You people have GOT to start looking at that Jones knockdown again.

[Roars Like Me]

You people have GOT to start looking at that Jones knockdown again.

Ok 4.28 of this link, it's more of a forearm to the chin but nonetheless knocked him down. Not sure what you mean by the way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2xuBqpngzQ

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tommy by decision.

[loaded_gloves]

You people have GOT to start looking at that Jones knockdown again.

Not sure entirely what you mean but JC told me personally he was indeed hurt when he was down. And he is NOT a man to give much credit to any man he boxed, for whatever any of that is worth.

[hhaehre]

Prime Hearns would stop him.

Prime Hearns wasn't a super middleweight.

[Goodnight, Irene]

You people have GOT to start looking at that Jones knockdown again.

Not sure entirely what you mean but JC told me personally he was indeed hurt when he was down. And he is NOT a man to give much credit to any man he boxed, for whatever any of that is worth.

Take a look at what Jones hit him with. Of course he was hurt.

If you butt a fighter, you will hurt them, too. Jones didn't deliberately hit Calzaghe the way he did, but as a knockdown, it's meaningless.

[jezzamundo]

Hearns is probably the biggest puncher at welterweight ever, same goes for light welterweight and P4P one of the greatest punchers of all time. His power carried well and he could knock guys out at middleweight, super middleweight and light heavyweight too. That said, he was not a knockout artist at divisions 160lb and up, where he usually won by outboxing his opponents. He was troubled by guys who could take his punch and pressured him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Calzaghe knocked down, but I don't think Hearns knocks him out.

Calzaghe only ever fought at super middleweight and light heavyweight, so we have to assume the fight is at that weight. I see Calzaghe winning by a close decision.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Hearns is probably the biggest puncher at welterweight ever, same goes for light welterweight and P4P one of the greatest punchers of all time. His power carried well and he could knock guys out at middleweight, super middleweight and light heavyweight too. That said, he was not a knockout artist at divisions 160lb and up, where he usually won by outboxing his opponents. He was troubled by guys who could take his punch and pressured him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Calzaghe knocked down, but I don't think Hearns knocks him out.

Calzaghe only ever fought at super middleweight and light heavyweight, so we have to assume the fight is at that weight. I see Calzaghe winning by a close decision.

Light-Middleweight do you mean, at the start of your thread?

[LeedsLad]

I'd be fairly confident in picking Hearns by decision.

He's got the better jab and Calzaghe's fondness for eating right hands would count against him here. He'd fare well early before being figured out and eventually losing a clear decision.

[Bricks]

leave it to me to have to be the one to bring some erudition and scope to this topic.......If debate is food for thought, so far the two alpha females here have made this a pot noodle.....me and my comments are like a meal at the Ritz.Urinee and Saads debate is like a meal at the Nits in comparison

You people need to be asking which Hearns we are talking about? The 1985-1987 Hearns who fought between 160-175 and was a lightning quick wrecking ball of a powerpuncher able to dance as well, supremely confident......... but slightly more flamboyantly vulnerable in his defence......or the Hearns of 1989-1992 who had lost some confidence in his chin and legs, and was now a more stationary more (relatively speaking) cautious guy but still with cobra like reflexes and a powerpunch even if some of his hand speed had gone?....either way he was still far quicker than Calzaghe, hit harder and had more tools at his disposal.

The first version ices calzaghe within 5 rounds in a fight calzaghe makes a real barn burner, it would be like hearns-roldan with calzaghe going into his dervish mode trying to trade on the inside, calzaghe wouldnt be floored for 5 rounds until he would eventually be comatosed by one titanic right too many and overall although entertaining the fight would have been as one sided as the gang rape on jody foster in the accused in 1988.

The second version of hearns has a tougher battle on his hands but cooly and clearly outpoints calzaghe.

Altho calzaghe was a far superior fighter to iran barkley and was capable of following the same gameplan iran did in the second fight against that version of hearns I just dont think calzaghe hit as hard as iran due to his hand problems and neither do i think calzaghe was used to takingthe punishment iran could off tommy. In short calzaghe couldnt fight on tommys chest for 12 rounds like that. Plus i still think Iran got lucky Hearns broke his right hand and pretty much fought most the fight one handed.

[Goodnight, Irene]

^^^And he does it all while sky-diving, folkes D

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Obsessions die hard for the mentally ill.

[Bricks]

^^^And he does it all while sky-diving, folkes D

I did it over a 4x mate! And how have u been bruce? Did u see the sturm-murray fight? what do you think calzaghe would have done to sturm?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Slapped him around with the type of ease Saad and I do you?

[gilgamesh]

I think Calzaghe outworks Hearns and wins a convincing decision. As previously stated Hearns wasn't a knockout artist above Middleweight.