Cleverly v Andrzej Fonfara

[earsjohn]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16153407.stm

Good to see he's not being allowed to rest on his laurels and rack up a line of easy defences......

I'm afraid I had to look up the US based Pole. I'm not a proper boxing fan, you see, so I've never heard of him.

Currently ranked 39th on Boxrec at 175, he's 19-2 and coming off a 9 fight winning streak since his last defeat (TKO 2 by Derrick Findlay, a career gatekeeper down at Middleweight). He has earned a 9th place ranking within the WBO standings and was fighting at Welterweight just 5 years ago.

[whiskey]

Utterly shocking opponent. It's the Joe Calzaghe blueprint all over again.

Nathan can't be pleased with this name at all. I'd be embarrassed standing on a podium with such a bum in front of me.

[leforge]

What a joke off fight! Hardly one to get people excited or subscribing too.

[whiskey]

I have seen another thread on this, about 15+ very big boxing fans on there.

Not ONE of them had ever heard of this bum.

I buy Boxing Monthly, Boxing news, Ring magazine, i go to fights, watch fights and talk about fights online nearly every day since 2001 and not ever heard this guy before - and he's challenging for a world title ?

[earsjohn]

Looking forward to Buncey trying to polish this particular turd of a fight.

Trying to work out whether this breaches the Bobby Gunn watermark for patheticness.

[kevo]

Nathan can't be pleased with this name at all.

Exactly what I thought! How exactly do you pronounce 'Andrzej'? The interviews in the build up are going to be a nightmare.

[black panther]

I have seen another thread on this, about 15+ very big boxing fans on there.

Not ONE of them had ever heard of this bum.

I buy Boxing Monthly, Boxing news, Ring magazine, i go to fights, watch fights and talk about fights online nearly every day since 2001 and not ever heard this guy before - and he's challenging for a world title ?

I would use that term very very loosely when describing the Cleverly's title.

[earsjohn]

I have seen another thread on this, about 15+ very big boxing fans on there.

Not ONE of them had ever heard of this bum.

I buy Boxing Monthly, Boxing news, Ring magazine, i go to fights, watch fights and talk about fights online nearly every day since 2001 and not ever heard this guy before - and he's challenging for a world title ?

I looked him up on Boxrec and not only have I not heard of him, I've not heard of anyone he's fought. Kudos to Team Cleverly for digging up this no mark.

[leforge]

After this fight it be the WBO african who no2!

[Josh1111]

And think, this is a fight most people on this forum will be paying extra money for as part of allegedly. Poor

[Counter-puncher]

And think, this is a fight most people on this forum will be paying extra money for as part of Allegedly channel. Poor

thats just the price of being a 'proper fan', mate.

[whiskey]

I wonder if Burns and Mitchell get a patsy each too?

[leforge]

I wonder if Burns and Mitchell get a patsy each too?

Mitchell has a 10 rounder. Burns who knows.

If Cardiff get to play off final on Sunday not sure if the CLeverly bill will be full.

[Newport Daz]

Cleverley wanted Shumenov in a unification and gets a former welterweight! Maybe Frank W will blame it on the fact not enough real fans have subscribed to allegedly to justify anyone better. Hopefully Carl Froch will start a promotional company when he's retired and do the job properly

[taffytoon]

It is a shame that his home coming is against this bloke, even I can't justify this fight, not good for BN as a channel and not good for the sport IMHO

I suppose at least the Welsh /Clev fans have the balls to admit it is a bad match up, if this were Bellew the rest of the forum would be bigging the lad up and justifying the match up.

[nh1]

Utterly shocking opponent. It's the Joe Calzaghe blueprint all over again.

Nathan can't be pleased with this name at all. I'd be embarrassed standing on a podium with such a bum in front of me.

On a related issue, this brings to mind the familiar refrain whenever most fighters are asked who they want next:
"I'll fight whoever my manager and promoter put in front of me".

Depressing; I wish those who talk the talk about how great they are made sure they fought decent opposition. (This isn't a dig at Cleverly, but a more general observation.)

I like Eubank's attitude: I don't work for the promoter; the promoter works for me.

FW claimed that JC had the power of veto on all the fighters who were put in front of him. I wish more fighters would be proactive about this.

[leforge]

Cleverley wanted Shumenov in a unification and gets a former welterweight! Maybe Frank W will blame it on the fact not enough real fans have subscribed to allegedly to justify anyone better. Hopefully Carl Froch will start a promotional company when he's retired and do the job properly

Could see Froch being involved at matchroom if he wanted.

[Lenny]

It is a shame that his home coming is against this bloke, even I can't justify this fight, not good for BN as a channel and not good for the sport IMHO

I suppose at least the Welsh /Clev fans have the balls to admit it is a bad match up, if this were Bellew the rest of the forum would be bigging the lad up and justifying the match up.

Bellew doesn't claim to be a world champion though.
Many on this forum gave Cleverly stick for fighting Bellew in the first place, now he seems to be taking a step back

[Asterix]

Nathan can't be pleased with this name at all.

Exactly what I thought! How exactly do you pronounce 'Andrzej'? The interviews in the build up are going to be a nightmare.

Just like Andre, I think.

It's terrible for Nathan. IMO, he suffers from complacency, so it is good to give him bigger names to fight. Not only that, but he needs to fight better opposition in order to reach his potential. Shame.

[Asterix]

Utterly shocking opponent. It's the Joe Calzaghe blueprint all over again.

Nathan can't be pleased with this name at all. I'd be embarrassed standing on a podium with such a bum in front of me.

On a related issue, this brings to mind the familiar refrain whenever most fighters are asked who they want next:
"I'll fight whoever my manager and promoter put in front of me".

Depressing; I wish those who talk the talk about how great they are made sure they fought decent opposition. (This isn't a dig at Cleverly, but a more general observation.)

I like Eubank's attitude: I don't work for the promoter; the promoter works for me.

FW claimed that JC had the power of veto on all the fighters who were put in front of him. I wish more fighters would be proactive about this.

Agreed. I appreciate boxers like Carl Froch and Amir Khan at the moment. They're both fighting very good opponents on a consistent basis. It's good for them and good for us.

[danfoster]

And think, this is a fight most people on this forum will be paying extra money for as part of Allegedly channel. Poor

Not me - as already said, this is EXACTLY the Calzaghe blueprint all over again. When did this guy leap into the WBO's to 15, i wonder?

Fights like this are EXACTLY what i was discussing on that thread about UK fighters taking tough assignments abroad - and most people agree that matches like Sturm v Murray / Macklin, Canelo v Rhodes are a fantastic antidote to blow-outs like this.

Fights like this are EXACTLY the reason i why i am not committing to this channel until they prove themselves. It's almost like an apologetic late subsitute of a fight but announced months in advance.

Gimme Sky and FIve and a selection of Khan, Froch, Brook, Macklin, Barker, Murray, Price and Fury in exciting fights anyday. It's not that i don't want to watch Cleverly, Bellew, Saunders, Degale and Groves but i want to see proper competitive VALUE FOR MONEY matches, not knock-over jobs like this.

[earsjohn]

This thread juxtaposes quite neatly with the recent thread on British guys taking on tough foreign assignments. I tend to think that, with regard to risk-free matchmaking, things have improved over the last 18-24 months. UK fighters seem to be far less protected than under the WBU era.

I don't want this to be an anti-warren point I'm trying to make, but when you compare the recent runs following world title success by non-Warren UK fighters with those under frankie, one can see a correlation....

Amir Khan - Kotelnik, Salita, Malignaggi, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Peterson
David Haye - Mormeck, Maccarinelli, Barrett, Valuev, Ruiz, Harrison, Wlad
Carl Froch - Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward

Ricky Burns - Martinez, Evensen, Laryea, Cook, Katsidis
Nathan Cleverly - Kuziemski, Bellew, Fonfara
Enzo Maccarinelli - Dominguez, Hobson, Gunn, Braithwaite, Azzaoui, Haye

[Captain Hook]

Looking forward to Buncey trying to polish this particular turd of a fight.

Trying to work out whether this breaches the Bobby Gunn watermark for patheticness.

Not quite Gunn, but not far away....

Never heard of him

[saturday_kid]

And think, this is a fight most people on this forum will be paying extra money for as part of Allegedly channel. Poor

Not me - as already said, this is EXACTLY the Calzaghe blueprint all over again. When did this guy leap into the WBO's to 15, i wonder?

Fights like this are EXACTLY what i was discussing on that thread about UK fighters taking tough assignments abroad - and most people agree that matches like Sturm v Murray / Macklin, Canelo v Rhodes are a fantastic antidote to blow-outs like this.

Fights like this are EXACTLY the reason i why i am not committing to this channel until they prove themselves. It's almost like an apologetic late subsitute of a fight but announced months in advance.

Gimme Sky and FIve and a selection of Khan, Froch, Brook, Macklin, Barker, Murray, Price and Fury in exciting fights anyday. It's not that i don't want to watch Cleverly, Bellew, Saunders, Degale and Groves but i want to see proper competitive VALUE FOR MONEY matches, not knock-over jobs like this.

What he said.

Absolute joke of a fight, this is why I certainly have never been impressed with Cleverly - His skills have impressed me at times to be fair, but not his level of opponents most most the time

[iamasadlittleboy]

Plus points - at least in Wales!!


http://www.BS.com/b-scene-new- ... ara--47234


The above is a decent article on Clevs opponent on boxing scene.

Found this as well:
http://boxingprospects.blogspot.com/201 ... nfara.html

I remember watching the KO over Russell on ESB a while back and they were bigging him up as a real banger but I'm not too sure whether it was just Polish boxing fans hyping him up more than anything else.