Value for money and benefits to boxer?

[coachster]

Just looked at results for last night (20/12/11) There was a show at Holiday Inn Birmingham that seems to have only had 3 bouts (2 of them 4 rounders). It was a dinner show and the cheapest price was £50 per head. My questions are a) is £ that value for money to the paying public b) does this sort of promotion/pricing make it difficult for a novice boxer to build a fan base? p.s I know there is a dinner included in the £50 ticket price but I would suggest that most people go for the boxing and not the cuisine. Comments please.

[twenty six]

Looks ok to me.
Max Maxwell top of bill clearly needing a fight with his English title fight in March coming up.
Max should have been in line before Brian Rose for the British against Prince Arron.
£50 with the meal is about right.
Also was this a charity show ? I know "fighting fit" do some good work down there, so maybe the price covered a donation ?

[coachster]

Can't agree that £50 for 3 bouts of boxing represents value for money. Up to the paying public I suppose as to how they gauge it, time will tell. How many people these types of shows attract in the future will be as good an indicator as any. I personally think the long-term future of boxers and boxing would be better served with venues like Wolverhamptobn civic, Digbeth civic, etc with 7 or 8 bout cards involving local fighters reasonably priced at £20 to £25. On my way to get my promoters licence now!!

[twenty six]

Well here's an offer for you.
Go away, get your licence, put on 8 fights, pay for the venue etc then charge £20 a ticket, and I will offer to deal with your fledgling Company's bankruptcy for you.
First of all, where does your £10k bond with the Board come from ?
Secondly regardless of quality to pay 16 fighters will cost you 40k minimum.
A venue to hold 1500 will cost you £10k.
We haven't even got to ancillary costs such as security, printing, doctors, officials etc etc.
1500 sales - a sell out - gets you £30k at £20 per head.
Financial ruin.

[JamesH]

Just looked at results for last night (20/12/11) There was a show at Holiday Inn Birmingham that seems to have only had 3 bouts (2 of them 4 rounders). It was a dinner show and the cheapest price was £50 per head. My questions are a) is £ that value for money to the paying public b) does this sort of promotion/pricing make it difficult for a novice boxer to build a fan base? p.s I know there is a dinner included in the £50 ticket price but I would suggest that most people go for the boxing and not the cuisine. Comments please.

Seems fair to me mate. I've seen am clubs charging that for dinner shows, and again, that seemed good value at the time too.

[alanhatrick]

if you are going to put on a show and only want to test the waters why not put on an amatuer or unlinenced show first of all?

The guys who are pros need to earn a living too and aint gonna fight cheap as they have also got there overheads to pay as well!!

[damianhucker1]

Well here's an offer for you.
Go away, get your licence, put on 8 fights, pay for the venue etc then charge £20 a ticket, and I will offer to deal with your fledgling Company's bankruptcy for you.
First of all, where does your £10k bond with the Board come from ?
Secondly regardless of quality to pay 16 fighters will cost you 40k minimum.
A venue to hold 1500 will cost you £10k.
We haven't even got to ancillary costs such as security, printing, doctors, officials etc etc.
1500 sales - a sell out - gets you £30k at £20 per head.
Financial ruin.

id disagree on the 2 highlighted parts but overall im in agreement , £20 tickets are fine for non pro shows but for pros £30 is the minimum nowdays , either way its hard to make ends meet at the best of times without selling the tickets at a loss .

[twenty six]

Nowt highlighted mate, but I'm not a Promotor and they were my reasonable guesses.

[damianhucker1]

Nowt highlighted mate, but I'm not a Promotor and they were my reasonable guesses.

i meant i had highlighted in bold the 2 parts from your quote .

Anyway point is overall your conculsion was still correct .

[twenty six]

But you didn't highlight owt mate.
Anyway we're basically singing from the same hymn sheet pal.

[bripez]

But you didn't highlight owt mate.
Anyway we're basically singing from the same hymn sheet pal.

[twenty six]

Had you a point to make Bripez ?

[bripez]

Had you a point to make Bripez ?

I was just trying to show how Damianhucker had highlighted a point you had made in an earlier post - my post didn't translate well over t'internet

[rhino222]

Well here's an offer for you.
Go away, get your licence, put on 8 fights, pay for the venue etc then charge £20 a ticket, and I will offer to deal with your fledgling Company's bankruptcy for you.
First of all, where does your £10k bond with the Board come from ?
Secondly regardless of quality to pay 16 fighters will cost you 40k minimum.
A venue to hold 1500 will cost you £10k.
We haven't even got to ancillary costs such as security, printing, doctors, officials etc etc.
1500 sales - a sell out - gets you £30k at £20 per head.
Financial ruin.

some local halls are only hundreds of pounds to hire, certainly not thousands, but overall i agree, bloody financial ruin, tv coverage is obviously the life saver, have to take my hat off to the likes of dave coldwell who battles against the tide and works bloody hard, id love to see dave s3ecure a tv contract, a nice channel 5 deal alongside MH would do nicely?

[safeerah]

Can't agree that £50 for 3 bouts of boxing represents value for money. Up to the paying public I suppose as to how they gauge it, time will tell. How many people these types of shows attract in the future will be as good an indicator as any. I personally think the long-term future of boxers and boxing would be better served with venues like Wolverhamptobn civic, Digbeth civic, etc with 7 or 8 bout cards involving local fighters reasonably priced at £20 to £25. On my way to get my promoters licence now!!

You will lose all your money

[The Law]

Very reasonably priced dinner show. I was in attendance. £50 for a 3 course meal and an action packed main event was well worth it.

[twenty six]

Rhino,
I'd love to find a venue for 1500 that passes all the Health and Safety etc for a few hundred quid.

[TheCobra]

Very reasonably priced dinner show. I was in attendance. £50 for a 3 course meal and an action packed main event was well worth it.

Agree totally, can't grumble at £50 with a 3 course meal included, what do people want!!

[damianhucker1]

Rhino,
I'd love to find a venue for 1500 that passes all the Health and Safety etc for a few hundred quid.

Dont know about everywhere else but in nottingham i find on average it costs around a quid per seat , so on that theory a 1500 venue would cost approx £1500 , i know it obviously varies and a more exclusive venue costs more etc but just what ive found out myself so far , Roughly .

[Craig14]

I paid 50 quid to see Chisora fight in July and he looked like he'd eaten 50 quids worth of burger king before the first bell - and my point is hmmmm....
Back to topic, I hate dinner shows, and really can't see what place they have. There usually alot more than 50 quid, what was for dinner? Burger and chips?

[wrimc]

The key my friends is for more regular local shows to attract a fanbase and following for those boxers. But put them on once monthly in the same venue. Maybe even more often in a bigger city such as Liverpool Manchester or London.

The cost of the shows would be £20-£30 depending on the quality of the bill. Boxers would both get to fight more regularly and though their purses would be smaller for these shows, in the long run they would benefit from the more regular paydays. They would ultimately build a bigger local following that would continually return to watch whatever bill was on because they knew it was of good quality and a good night out and they would gain loyalty to that brand of fight night at venue x.

Regularity is they key at least once monthly this builds the "brand" it gives fighters more regular outings and a chance to develop. If a novice fighter fights 10 times on these shows in their first year they will both earn a good grounding which will help their development and also give them regular paydays and a bit of money in their pocket. When they do step up in class they will have a bigger fanbase which means they can demand a decent purse as a result.

Regularity means that deals with the venue and security and other associated costs can be negotiated to bring down the overheads.

[coachster]

They would ultimately build a bigger local following that would continually return to watch whatever bill was on because they knew it was of good quality and a good night out and they would gain loyalty to that brand of fight night at venue x.

Regularity is they key at least once monthly this builds the "brand" it gives fighters more regular outings and a chance to develop. If a novice fighter fights 10 times on these shows in their first year they will both earn a good grounding which will help their development and also give them regular paydays and a bit of money in their pocket. When they do step up in class they will have a bigger fanbase which means they can demand a decent purse as a result.

Finally somone has understood the whole of the question!!!

[twenty six]

Yes - and he's as deluded as you.

[coachster]

Twenty six have you ever heard of somwhere called the York Hall where they put on successful and profitable shows all the time usually priced at around £30 a head average. Also you ony pay the 10k bond once you pleb! You don't have to pay it every time you host a show, in the miraculous event that you recover your senses from wherever the last person you got lippy with has sent them, have another look at the costs you have mapped out and then see who is delusional. happy xmas

[twenty six]

Where did I say the bond was payable more than once ?
Have you ever put on a boxing show ?
Have you ever booked the York Hall, and do you know how much they charge ?
I have every sympathy with Promotors trying to run a successful business without a TV contract.
Only recently Dave Coldwell ran a brilliant show at Magna Rotherham where there were tickets at £60 and £30 and he packed the place out.
Without being specific I can tell you Dave did not make a spanking profit.
I've been around boxing far too long to worry about people calling me a pleb.
I am a masterful mathematician.
Like I said have a go at it and put on an 8 fight card that will draw a crowd of 1500 at £20 a head and make a profit.
If you do then you need to offer your services to numerous small hall Promotors.