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Alba wrote:an English title eliminator ? surely you mean Brit title elim

safeerah wrote:

Alba wrote:an English title eliminator ? surely you mean Brit title elim

No Alba, English Eliminator, the winner to fight the winner of the English title fight between Erick Ochieng and Nick Quigley on 28th January, matchroom show, Al Harbi and Ball 16th March at New Bingley Hall, Birmingham, Dave Coldwell show featuring Curtis Woodhouse V Guiseppi Lauri former world title challenger.

saturday_kid wrote:Was gonna start a thread on this also mate.

This is a top top fight this and you dont see these enough in boxing these days.

Some of you lot not from the Midlands may not know much about Ball and Al Harbi as neither has had much TV time etc and mostly plyed their early trade on small hall shows.

Both are hotley tipped prospects, Nasser is highly rated by the likes of Richie Woodhall (used to train him) and Ball has been up for boxing writers awards on more than 1 occasion (think he lost out to Frankie Gavin 1 year).

Real good prospect vs prospect scrap this, another top bill from Coldwell - TV needs to get involved with them

Counter-puncher wrote:

saturday_kid wrote:Was gonna start a thread on this also mate.

This is a top top fight this and you dont see these enough in boxing these days.

Some of you lot not from the Midlands may not know much about Ball and Al Harbi as neither has had much TV time etc and mostly plyed their early trade on small hall shows.

Both are hotley tipped prospects, Nasser is highly rated by the likes of Richie Woodhall (used to train him) and Ball has been up for boxing writers awards on more than 1 occasion (think he lost out to Frankie Gavin 1 year).

Real good prospect vs prospect scrap this, another top bill from Coldwell - TV needs to get involved with them

does Ball hit any harder nowadays? always struck me a lack of power would hinder him at the higher levels

saturday_kid wrote:Was gonna start a thread on this also mate.

This is a top top fight this and you dont see these enough in boxing these days.

Some of you lot not from the Midlands may not know much about Ball and Al Harbi as neither has had much TV time etc and mostly plyed their early trade on small hall shows.

Both are hotley tipped prospects, Nasser is highly rated by the likes of Richie Woodhall (used to train him) and Ball has been up for boxing writers awards on more than 1 occasion (think he lost out to Frankie Gavin 1 year).

Real good prospect vs prospect scrap this, another top bill from Coldwell - TV needs to get involved with them

maley1984 wrote:its a gud fight hoping jamie does the business for team cooper shame its not for the english title both lads hav better records than ochieng and quigley who r fighting for the title 28th jan

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote:its a gud fight hoping jamie does the business for team cooper shame its not for the english title both lads hav better records than ochieng and quigley who r fighting for the title 28th jan

Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

maley1984 wrote:

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote:its a gud fight hoping jamie does the business for team cooper shame its not for the english title both lads hav better records than ochieng and quigley who r fighting for the title 28th jan

Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

its a disgrace to b fair some ones 0 to go in a eliminator wen the vacant titles on the line to 2 lads lower in the rankins. i hope jamie ball wins this fight then goes on to win english title. 2 english champs in shaun coopers gym in the blackcountry for 2012. 4th feb featherweight chris male and then jamie ball. get the midlands buzzing

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote:

safeerah wrote:Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

its a disgrace to b fair some ones 0 to go in a eliminator wen the vacant titles on the line to 2 lads lower in the rankins. i hope jamie ball wins this fight then goes on to win english title. 2 english champs in shaun coopers gym in the blackcountry for 2012. 4th feb featherweight chris male and then jamie ball. get the midlands buzzing

Don't hold your breath mate, beating NASSER AL HARBI IS A REAL BIG ASK.

maley1984 wrote:

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote: its a disgrace to b fair some ones 0 to go in a eliminator wen the vacant titles on the line to 2 lads lower in the rankins. i hope jamie ball wins this fight then goes on to win english title. 2 english champs in shaun coopers gym in the blackcountry for 2012. 4th feb featherweight chris male and then jamie ball. get the midlands buzzing

Don't hold your breath mate, beating NASSER AL HARBI IS A REAL BIG ASK.

its a tough fight for both lads gunna b a gud un tho looking forward to it a shame no title on line

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote:its a gud fight hoping jamie does the business for team cooper shame its not for the english title both lads hav better records than ochieng and quigley who r fighting for the title 28th jan

Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

magnus wrote:

safeerah wrote:

maley1984 wrote:its a gud fight hoping jamie does the business for team cooper shame its not for the english title both lads hav better records than ochieng and quigley who r fighting for the title 28th jan

Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

Maybe they have better records/experience than Quigley (and it's a big "maybe"), but not Ochieng. Neither has a win to compare with his over Cameron. Ochieng has been matched more competitively than them too.

Good fight though

safeerah wrote:

magnus wrote:

safeerah wrote:Too true mate, better records and more experience, Ochieng and Quigley were not in the picture before the English Title and eliminator was first decided by the BBB of c.

Maybe they have better records/experience than Quigley (and it's a big "maybe"), but not Ochieng. Neither has a win to compare with his over Cameron. Ochieng has been matched more competitively than them too.

Good fight though

I think Cameron was bit overated because he was good Amatuer maybe, both Dee Mitchell and Journeyman Ryan Clark thought they beat Cameron in their fights with him, but what worried me about Ochieng was when he was bullied and out worked by a very basic Luke Robinson 5-1-1 on his home show in london, saying that Ochieng does have nice skills and is still only 24, but when put under pressure ? Nick Quigley 23 looked bad and good in Prizefighter, srapppy in his first fight which was a split, very good in his second fight, but I was most impessed with the heart he showed in the final after coming into it being worse for ware. me personally I think taking into account they have both lost and had a lot less fights then Al Harbi and Ball they should not be fighting for an English Title just yet, even if they are ones for the future, who would you rather win an English title against a fighter unbeaten in 13 fights or a fighter who has lost in 11 or 9 fights ? which would look better on your record ?

magnus wrote:

safeerah wrote:

magnus wrote: Maybe they have better records/experience than Quigley (and it's a big "maybe"), but not Ochieng. Neither has a win to compare with his over Cameron. Ochieng has been matched more competitively than them too.

Good fight though

I think Cameron was bit overated because he was good Amatuer maybe, both Dee Mitchell and Journeyman Ryan Clark thought they beat Cameron in their fights with him, but what worried me about Ochieng was when he was bullied and out worked by a very basic Luke Robinson 5-1-1 on his home show in london, saying that Ochieng does have nice skills and is still only 24, but when put under pressure ? Nick Quigley 23 looked bad and good in Prizefighter, srapppy in his first fight which was a split, very good in his second fight, but I was most impessed with the heart he showed in the final after coming into it being worse for ware. me personally I think taking into account they have both lost and had a lot less fights then Al Harbi and Ball they should not be fighting for an English Title just yet, even if they are ones for the future, who would you rather win an English title against a fighter unbeaten in 13 fights or a fighter who has lost in 11 or 9 fights ? which would look better on your record ?

It's quality of opposition and match I was thinking of. Most boxing fans don't judge a fighter by how many wins/fight he has. Tyrone Nurse is 20-0 and not yet in the domestic top ten, due to the quality of opposition fought. Nothing wrong with that, he's learning the trade, but no-one saying he warrants a shot ahead of Steve Williams (12-1).

safeerah wrote:

magnus wrote:

safeerah wrote: I think Cameron was bit overated because he was good Amatuer maybe, both Dee Mitchell and Journeyman Ryan Clark thought they beat Cameron in their fights with him, but what worried me about Ochieng was when he was bullied and out worked by a very basic Luke Robinson 5-1-1 on his home show in london, saying that Ochieng does have nice skills and is still only 24, but when put under pressure ? Nick Quigley 23 looked bad and good in Prizefighter, srapppy in his first fight which was a split, very good in his second fight, but I was most impessed with the heart he showed in the final after coming into it being worse for ware. me personally I think taking into account they have both lost and had a lot less fights then Al Harbi and Ball they should not be fighting for an English Title just yet, even if they are ones for the future, who would you rather win an English title against a fighter unbeaten in 13 fights or a fighter who has lost in 11 or 9 fights ? which would look better on your record ?

It's quality of opposition and match I was thinking of. Most boxing fans don't judge a fighter by how many wins/fight he has. Tyrone Nurse is 20-0 and not yet in the domestic top ten, due to the quality of opposition fought. Nothing wrong with that, he's learning the trade, but no-one saying he warrants a shot ahead of Steve Williams (12-1).

mickey1975 wrote:luke robinson is a very good, extremely strong fighter who gets overlooked on here. We keep hearing how strong eric is but luke bullied him in his hometown! Basic as well? Aba finalist after a handful of bouts.

safeerah wrote:

safeerah wrote:

magnus wrote: It's quality of opposition and match I was thinking of. Most boxing fans don't judge a fighter by how many wins/fight he has. Tyrone Nurse is 20-0 and not yet in the domestic top ten, due to the quality of opposition fought. Nothing wrong with that, he's learning the trade, but no-one saying he warrants a shot ahead of Steve Williams (12-1).

I don't believe any one should fight for major Domestic Title in under 10 fights full stop, because with such limited fights they would not be prepared for the next step even if they won it. Tyrone Nurse as developed experience with all the fights he has had and where do you get your top ten from ? BBB of C ? Boxrec ? or many other sites ? Al Harbi is in the Welter rankings and Ball is in the Middleweight rankings on boxrec, in fact there are lots of fights in the wrong weight rankings, so sometimes it is almost imposible to judge by rankings, there is no legit ranking system in this country, not like other countries, instead fighters warrant consideration via names being put to the BBB of C through Promoters, Managers ect.. Eliminators are formed, but do not always lead to title shots and in some cases like this fighters are put straight into title fights based on the right promoters willling to put it on their show. I understand where you are coming from, but it is not that easy to fight other prospects or more experienced fighters nowadays.

maley1984 wrote:there r other routes for fighters to gain experience over the longer distance i think Ochieng and Quigley should b fighting for a masters title with the winner fighting ball or al harbi defending english title . i just dont understand how a eliminator can b put together and then 2 lads with less experience and worse records get the english title fight.