BillyTKid wrote:Quixall wrote:JDC wrote:Haye drops a decision to Wlad and all of a sudden he's less deserving of a title fight than someone who dropped a decision to Tyson effing Fury. Ridiculous!!!
I don't think Chisora is deserving at all, i never said he was deserving at all !!
I made no comparison with Haye on who deserves a title shot. My observation comes from his fight with Helenius ? Did you see that one ? The one where Chisora was in shape ? The one where he gave it his all for 12 rounds ? The one most people feel he was robbed of the decision ? That is the where i base my opinion on what Chisora will give !! Chisora is a complex guy and he was out of shape for the Fury fight because he was still sulking over Wladimir pulling out and he took Tyson too lightly, thinking he only had to turn up. This time it's the world title on line, it's Vitali Klitschko, not some run of the mill domestic plodder like Fury. Will Chisora win, hell no, but you won't see the same guy who fought Fury.
I don't think it's fair to use that as a yard stick. Haye showed his whole career he was prepared to take on guys head on, look at what he did to Ruiz, who although dull was no mug. Everybody thinks they are going to charge in the ring against a klitscko and take their head off, the plan quickly changes once they take a punch. It won't happen but if haye were to fight helenius I would strongly fancy him to win inside 6. Chisora will be lively for the first couple (as was haye) and then retreat into his shell, you won't get a Briggs scenario because Chisora isn't that stupid, I reckon he will quit on his stall between 6 and 9.
I have said in another thread that Chisora will give it his all for the first two or three rounds and by the 5th or the 6th it will be all over in favour of Vitali. I think Haye had a gutso up and at em style when he was a cruiserweight because he carried the punching power and was a talented fighter. At heavyweight, he carried the punching power, but fought stiffs untill he faced Wladimir. Ruiz was well shot, Harrison was, well shite, Barrett is a journeyman and Valuev is just a big lumbering hulk that was like an elephant trying to run after a leopard.
The main point and criticism of Haye where two things. Firstly, for two years he shouted after the brothers, ran up escalaters, made up t-shirts with decapitated heads, called them both dull and lacking technique, said they were fighting bums and promised to knock either one out. Now all of the above can be dissmissed as your usual circus act before a fight, but it added weight to the criticism once the fight was over and Wladimir was victorios by a landslide. The second point, that coincides with the first is that Haye refused to put himself on the line against Wladimir.
Everyone knew that Haye could not win a points decision against Wladimir, because it's diffiicult to get around the jab and Wladimir will dominate you from the outside. Haye's only chance was to fight on the inside, abeit with guille and a degree of intelligence, not simply swinging around like in a pub brawl. When Haye took the fight to Wladimir, he was uncomfortable and looked slightly agitated, but this only happenned about three times in the whole fight. Now, haye blamed his toe, but the debate is around a lot of people thinking he didn't want to take the risks that come with opening your guard up to a big guy, force the isssue and in turn try to land telling or conclusive power shots.
I think it is those two points combined that make people critical of Haye.