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Fury is English...

Early days yet.

Rogan seems like a genuinely nice guy, but there's time for Fury to turn nasty.

Also, they're both actually British TBF, although I accept that Rogan might have chosen to have an Irish passport, as some people in Northern Ireland have done & are allowed to do.

King Geedorah wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:Fury is English...

I should have left a _____ near his nationality.

They both showed a lot of class, my heart was in my mouth when Rogan took to the ring. Good work by both men and by Mick Hennessy. Pity the fight itself isn't the greatest.

Mine was too, but fair play to the pair of them they did the decent thing and showed repsect for each other and Channel 5.

yiddo14 wrote:Fury is English...

Well I don't think he can prove he isn't .......

I remember when he wanted to box for Ireland as an amateur and there was a problem with "paperwork" in that there was no birth certificate to prove where either he or his dad were born.

He only wanted to box for Ireland once he realised that Price was the untouchable England/Britain number 1. It was his only route to Beijing.

In Boxing, having a bit of Oirish in ya is good for business. The yanks have an unhealthy obsession with the Emerald Isle.

"I'm not Irish."

"It's boxing. It just means you're white."

what round does froch think rogie will win in?......

this will be a class fight would of been better a year ago without rogies layoff

bripez wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:Fury is English...

Well I don't think he can prove he isn't .......

I remember when he wanted to box for Ireland as an amateur and there was a problem with "paperwork" in that there was no birth certificate to prove where either he or his dad were born.

The paperwork has since been found. If they found it before the Irish ABA finals it's likely that Fury would have been at the Olympics for Ireland. Pity it was our best team ever.

It'll be for the Irish title as well. See Fury did tell us ge was dropping the British title for something better. *chuckles*

Syntax Error wrote:Early days yet.

Rogan seems like a genuinely nice guy, but there's time for Fury to turn nasty.

Also, they're both actually British TBF, although I accept that Rogan might have chosen to have an Irish passport, as some people in Northern Ireland have done & are allowed to do.

'they're both actually British' actually they're not.

Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts.

yiddo14 wrote:He only wanted to box for Ireland once he realised that Price was the untouchable England/Britain number 1. It was his only route to Beijing.

In Boxing, having a bit of Oirish in ya is good for business. The yanks have an unhealthy obsession with the Emerald Isle.

Not according to Fury it wasn't. He explained it all in detail in a half hour video I didn't with him. Probably the best interview I've done in my opinion.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Early days yet.

Rogan seems like a genuinely nice guy, but there's time for Fury to turn nasty.

Also, they're both actually British TBF, although I accept that Rogan might have chosen to have an Irish passport, as some people in Northern Ireland have done & are allowed to do.

'they're both actually British' actually they're not.

Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts.

Fury's a Mancunian.

Asterix wrote: Fury's a Mancunian.

Since when was Wilmslow is Manchester!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Asterix wrote: Fury's a Mancunian.

Since when was Wilmslow is Manchester!

You get the point, so that'll do.

Asterix wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Asterix wrote: Fury's a Mancunian.

Since when was Wilmslow in Manchester!

You get the point, so that'll do.

Errrr, I dont actually.....not that it matters!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:He only wanted to box for Ireland once he realised that Price was the untouchable England/Britain number 1. It was his only route to Beijing.

In Boxing, having a bit of Oirish in ya is good for business. The yanks have an unhealthy obsession with the Emerald Isle.

Not according to Fury it wasn't. He explained it all in detail in a half hour video I didn't with him. Probably the best interview I've done in my opinion.

Didn't he represent England before the Ireland thing? Didn't his supporters turn up at his amateur fights with t-shirts on saying Tyson Fury British Olympian 2008?

I could be wrong but I'm sure that's what happened.

yiddo14 wrote: Didn't he represent England before the Ireland thing? Didn't his supporters turn up at his amateur fights with t-shirts on saying Tyson Fury British Olympian 2008?

I could be wrong but I'm sure that's what happened.

I seem to remember all that going on here in Manchester alright.

Here is the first part of the three part interview. I'm not sure which part he addresses the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDXoGUP8QGg

(actually it is this part - starts at 4.00 and goes on until 12.00 - starts talking about the Irish selection and then Price and GB)

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Early days yet.

Rogan seems like a genuinely nice guy, but there's time for Fury to turn nasty.

Also, they're both actually British TBF, although I accept that Rogan might have chosen to have an Irish passport, as some people in Northern Ireland have done & are allowed to do.

'they're both actually British' actually they're not.

Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts.

This has always genuinely confused me. I can completely accept the fact that Northern Ireland is definitely part of the United Kingdom, but as Great Britain is an island, I've never fully understood the notion that Northern Irish people can even be eligible for British nationality, since they are from the island of Ireland, not Britain. I understand that they are not nationals of the Republic of Ireland, but at the same time, how can they represent an island (Britain) that they are not from?

Which leads me to the bit I find most confusing. If Britain is an island and the United Kingdom is the sovereign nation, why do we even have a British nationality? Great Britain is not a recognised sovereign state. I know it would be difficult to find a sensible-sounding name for this nationality, since United Kingdomish would sound utterly ridiculous, but it seems logical, and would certainly clarify the Northern Irish situation, as they are clearly part of the nation of the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland.

Sorry, just a little 2:30am rant.

Irish nationalists, who will soon be in the majority, naturally gravitate towards the south. 'Northern Ireland' is artificial and has only been in place since 1921.
Rogan is a nationalist and as such has a right to be viewed as an Irish citizen. The republic is also artificial by the way but is closer to the real thing than NI.

Fury will go any where he dose not have to face a real oppen. Please a few years ago this would have be a real fight look how old Rogan looked on saturday night Look at the last time he boxed 20.11.2010
and age 41. Some move into world title race.

FtmPress wrote:Fury will go any where he dose not have to face a real oppen. Please a few years ago this would have be a real fight look how old Rogan looked on saturday night Look at the last time he boxed 20.11.2010
and age 41. Some move into world title race.

Piped down Maloney. Stop crying you should have taken the £100k with no options.

Run along.

AlexY2K4 wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Early days yet.

Rogan seems like a genuinely nice guy, but there's time for Fury to turn nasty.

Also, they're both actually British TBF, although I accept that Rogan might have chosen to have an Irish passport, as some people in Northern Ireland have done & are allowed to do.

'they're both actually British' actually they're not.

Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts.

This has always genuinely confused me. I can completely accept the fact that Northern Ireland is definitely part of the United Kingdom, but as Great Britain is an island, I've never fully understood the notion that Northern Irish people can even be eligible for British nationality, since they are from the island of Ireland, not Britain. I understand that they are not nationals of the Republic of Ireland, but at the same time, how can they represent an island (Britain) that they are not from?

Which leads me to the bit I find most confusing. If Britain is an island and the United Kingdom is the sovereign nation, why do we even have a British nationality? Great Britain is not a recognised sovereign state. I know it would be difficult to find a sensible-sounding name for this nationality, since United Kingdomish would sound utterly ridiculous, but it seems logical, and would certainly clarify the Northern Irish situation, as they are clearly part of the nation of the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland.

Sorry, just a little 2:30am rant.

Legally, under the British Nationality Act (which I think was 1981), all citizens of the United Kingdom ie Great Britain and Northern Ireland (and some other random places) are deemed to be British Citizens. As others have pointed out, there are then other laws whereby citizens of Northern Ireland and also choose Irish citizenship.

I agree calling us all British citizens is a bit miselading.

Thought this thread was going to be about Brian Magee's win over in Denmark. Very nice KO and keeps him in mix for some more big fights.

Back on topic...both Fury and Rogan conducted themselves very well. Ignoring the debate around Fury giving up his titles etc, this willl be a very fan friendly fight and will continue to build Fury's profile via C5....which you could argue is perhaps as important as holding belts.

Got my tickets already. Reckon it will be over inside 5 rounds. Just hope Rogie has one good fight left in him.

Ketchel wrote:Got my tickets already. Reckon it will be over inside 5 rounds. Just hope Rogie has one good fight left in him.

It would be an entertaining fight if Martin was 4 years younger, but at 41 & semi retired, I think he'll get a shellacking unfortunately.