bravery v commonsense

[dalcumly]

Do we expect our boxing heroes ,when they are being clearly outclassed and punished to keep going until they are punched senseless or perhaps knocked out ,or do we expect them to retire before that happens ? Your opinion might change if the outclassed boxer is a relative or family friend .
As a fan I expect the boxer to keep going until rescued by his corner or referee I suppose in honour to all the brave fighters who have gone before . But am I being cruel ??

MC Allister v Shalikov

[the truth]

Depends on the situation, if they guys getting a hopeless beating round after round pull out, if he's just had a bad 2 rounds keep going, Mcallister was a disgrace should of sucked it up and went for broke if he got stopped so what

[kamicazze]

This is a hard one to judge. putting myself in a boxers mindset id never want to quit, however if they gulf in class is too much and there is needless punishment id like to think that the corner would rescue me to prevent further damage. Although at the time the fighter wouldn't like it, in years to come they'd thank their corner. Example being Jamie Moore's last fight.

[ed robinson]

If you trust your trainer then it should be one less thing to worry about - the thought need never cross your mind because you've got that safety net. He should care as much and be as emotionally involved as you but should also have the advantage of being able to see the situation objectively from the outside looking in. Same in the gym, you shouldn't worry about training too hard because your trainer should tell you when to rest or when to pull back.

[CheckHook]

The corner, ref and doctor are their to protect the fighter, but if a fighter wants to pull himself out of a fight that is his call. I would never expect a fighter to continue fighting if he doesnt want to, regardless of the reason. That said, if a fighter pulls out mid fight because he says he has sore hands or he pulls out with a weak excuse, because he is afraid of losing, in an attempt to protect a future payday, then I am gonna think twice before parting with my own money or time to watch him fight again. Each situation is different and none of us, no matter how much we dislike certain fighters, want to see anyone get seriously hurt, in the ring.

[boxfan3]

I think McAllister made the right call, he knew he was in above his depth and would have got hurt if the fight continued. Its easy to come on here and say that he should have sucked it up and went for broke, look back at Watson and McClellan who both went for broke.

[twenty six]

That's fair comment boxfan.
However the part that really angered me was McAllister's attitude afterwards and his post fight interview.
Did he look like a man who had given his all ?
Did he look in any pain from he alleged hand fracture ?
You have to say the fans were short changed.

[Wales]

How far behind was mosely against mayorga with 15 seconds left?

How big were margaritos bollocks agianst pacquiao.

Flip side

"I know ive got this cos i fought on too long" - freddy roach

[JC]

How far behind was mosely against mayorga with 15 seconds left?

How big were margaritos bollocks agianst pacquiao.

Flip side

"I know ive got this cos i fought on too long" - freddy roach

There's a distinction to be made there though. Roach's condition is the result of a long career and hundreds/thousands of rounds of sparring as well as fights. If Margarito ends up losing his eye or if Mosely had sustained critical injury in the last round against Mayorga it would have been result of those specific fights being allowed to go on too long.

[dan28uk]

depends on the fighter and certain circumstances on there cornerman doing their job properly remember no1 should no there fighter better then them, if there an arturo gatti sort of warrior you wouldnt want them to quit or be saved by referee unless their gettin beaten real bad but if their a jermain taylor sort of character you wouldnt want them to take a hiding and would hope the corner wouldnt fighters are brave setting through the ropes and should be commended for it take a look at victor ortiz quitting against maidana everyone including myself questioned his heart but look against berto he showd real heart. i think you can have commonsense and bravery.

[whiskey]

Becoming Punchy is generally a result of scar tissue forming gradually , due to the head shaking the brain over time.

It don't happen in one fight. Just like a guy doesn't become an alcoholic after 1 beer. It's a gradual process.

A single punch can render a man comatose.

When a fighter is unable to defend themselves, then they should be withdrawn.

However to think 'Mmm I don't think I shall win' and then quitting are the actions of a sh*thouse, more interested in picking up a cheque. Especially when they don't have a single mark on their face.

'er yes, it's my hand you see, it's slightly sore, ha ha, rematch?'

[Coco]

I think if you are fighting for the title, sold the tickets etc the fans deserve to see you go out on your shield.
Anyway I do not think this is even a decision most fighters take as their pride will carry them on to the bitter end.
I was very critical of Haye and his toe thing because while he didn't actually quit, he did not try hard enough to win, and with his talk, the title at stake and the money he was being paid it should have been shit or bust.
The same goes for McCallister too.
On the other end of the scale when a journeyman is being brought like cattle at short notice, overmatched, outweighed and fighting for chump change, esp if they have paid their dues, you can not complain if they don't take the braveheart approach!

[twenty six]

Did you ever come across Lee at his time at Wincobank mate ?

[big lennox]

Did you ever come across Lee at his time at Wincobank mate ?

I did.I trained with Lee for a couple of years.He is a right character and someone I always got on well with. I've not seen this fight yet, so can't comment, but a general observation is that he has talent,but I wonder if he has not stepped up the level of competition enough to then jump up to euroepan level etc. It's a pity because had he gradually upped the competition each time out, I think he wouldn't have found himself in a position where he felt he was being totally outclassed and unsure what to do.

What did you think of the fight -was it as uncompetitive as they say?

[Trojans44]

I think everyone in boxing generally underestimate the very severe consequences of fighting and getting knocked out in particular. I personally believe that if you have been KOed (in the true sense) 3 times then you should not be granted a licence. No doubt people will throw out loads of examples of fighters who have went on to achieve great things after being knocked out but in terms of wellbeing thats neither here nor there.

The fact is that being knocked out constitutes a severe concussion. The more we learn about concussion the more we find out how serious it is. There's now evidence that having a concussion makes it far more likely you will recieve another. The risks increase exponentially.

When you see a fighter like Ricky Hatton walking through Kostya Tszyu and then a few years later being all over the place againt Juan Lazcano, its time for retirement. Hatton did absolutely the right thing. I currently have real fears for Enzo Maccrinelli. He's been stopped very badly on a couple of occasions and all the medical evidence suggests he'll be extremely susceptible to being hurt again. I thought Murray/ Rios was an example of a corner badly letting down their fighter. It was obvious Murray couldn't win and he'd given his all. It should have been over after the ninth at the latest. I hope they aren't so brave with Macklin.

McAllister is a bit different, he just shat his pants. Boxing hurts and there's no avoiding that. I think you at least need to have taken a bit of a shellacking not quit at the threat of one.

There was a study on american football recently and former nfl players have low life expectancy, high risk of early onset dementia and depression. All this is laid at the door of too many concussions.

I'm a bit of a strange boxing fan - I love it but you simply cant argue thats its not a barbaric bloodsport. It is. I oppose abolition but I think it would be hard to mourn it's passing too strenuously.