Should Enzo Maccarinelli Retire?

[states]

He should have retired before that performance, in my opinion.

[desperados]

he should hung them up after the frenkel horror show.

i think he believed his own excuse that he should be contesting at light heavy rather than cruiser.

[Cas]

Enzo will not capture another world title so should hang them up. I don't want to see him hurt again..

[jameswilson]

Dunno if I missed something but one second he's giving it the ' I'm not a cruiser weight, I'm a light heavy' and the next he's boxing for a Cruiserweight title. Is the guy planning to step back down or not?

[TheCobra]

Should have retired after the Frenkel KO. He's had a few 'rebuilds' now and to me his chin is just totally gone. Game over Enzo, for everyone's sake.

[Final round]

All the signs point to 'Yes' and I agree

[JDC]

He already has in my eyes

[Crazyboy]

Yes definately,

He has never been the same since the haye fight, it literally took everything from him that fight did

[big lennox]

Yes.He is in danger of getting properly hurt now.If he carries on fighting and steps up the level of competition then I can only see him getting knocked out, sadly. He should pursue a career in commentary or something.He has options, thankfully.

[big lennox]

Yes.He is in danger of getting properly hurt now.If he carries on fighting and steps up the level of competition then I can only see him getting knocked out, sadly. He should pursue a career in commentary or something.He has options, thankfully.

[dan28uk]

been thinking this for a couple of years when afolabi and lebedev knocked him out the frenkel one was really sickening, thinking about it most of his knockout losses have been i didnt think warren was gona promote him anymore after the lebedev fight, i know he won on friday night but if the round was longer as it should have been maybe he'd be forced into retirement. hes only at british level pushing european level for a fighter like enzo thats no good, go out on this win and enjoy the rest of your life enzo.

[JDC]

Right then. I think I have solved the problem:

There was exactly 3 mins between the start of the first round and the start of the second....

...I timed it and it was exactly this...

...the bell rung 12 seconds after Enzo was knocked down...

1) - (I don't know if the timekeeper believed Enzo had failed to make the count and rung the bell to signal the end of the fight)

2) - (he had a brain fart and rung the bell to restart after the knock-down)

3) - (possibly some other reason for a MISTAKE)

... with the digital automation turned on the timekeeper was alerted that HE NEEDED TO RING THE BELL AT EXACTLY 3 MINS AFTER THE FIRST ROUND STARTED. THIS ACTUALLY SIGNALLED THE START OF THE SECOND ROUND INSTEAD.

He made a big cock-up and lost the plot somewhere along the line. The timing of the rings makes me believe this was just a mistake, although a very big one/two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I

[SteveDow]

The guy is an absolute accident waiting to happen. As a guy and as a boxer I have the upmost respect for him. He was never world class or even close to it but he has a good heart and seems a very nice guy. Problem is that he's operating in a very serious business where there is no room for sentiment. The guy seems to be getting dropped at will and is fluctuating wildly in weight. Allegedly needs to start thinking about the welfare of his fighter rather than the potential pay cheque a Cleverly v Enzo fight will generate.

Enzo has been done since the Frenkel fight and his yes men are doing him no favours by allowing him to fight on. He has nothing to offer any more

[Asterix]

The guy is an absolute accident waiting to happen. As a guy and as a boxer I have the upmost respect for him. He was never world class or even close to it but he has a good heart and seems a very nice guy. Problem is that he's operating in a very serious business where there is no room for sentiment. The guy seems to be getting dropped at will and is fluctuating wildly in weight. Allegedly needs to start thinking about the welfare of his fighter rather than the potential pay cheque a Cleverly v Enzo fight will generate.

Enzo has been done since the Frenkel fight and his yes men are doing him no favours by allowing him to fight on. He has nothing to offer any more

I think Enzo Maccarinelli must have been close to World class. He beat Wayne Braithwaite, the guy who beat the current #1 in his next fight.

[Trojans44]

His licence should be revoked. People need to understand the medical evidence which underlies the glib statement 'his punch resistance has gone.' Each concussion you suffer make it more likely you will suffer another. Getting knocked out is an extremely serious concussion. Even a small number of concussions massively increase the chances of dementia, depression, brain damage and all manner of other horrific health problems. When a fighter is getting knocked down every time he is caught cleanly, what that actually mean is that he has done so much cognitive damage to his brain, that he is now getting concussed far more easily than before. Its extremely dangerous. Boxers should not be allowed to fight anymore after 3 knockout losses and all fighters should regard their careers as short term.

[Crease]

Yes.
But that is only my opinion.

If I could get talking to Enzo I would ask him what his goals are; Because it's pretty obvious that he is not as good as he once was. And he would probably struggle at world-class level (whether it's Light Heavyweight or Cruiserweight) so I would encourage him to keep all thoughts of future World Titles out of his head.

But if Enzo wants to keep boixng and stay at British level - then sure he can do it. Though I would prefer that this current venture of his is just a last hurrah as it were and he will finish as soon as he wins the Lonsdale belt outright (three defences).
Really don't want to see him get hurt, he comes across as a nice fella.

[fatcity69]

I cant belive that his promoter is allowing him to move up and down inweight like he is and encouraging this talk of a cleverly fight, is there nothing more important than making money to certain people???. I think it is plain for most people with even rudimentry boxing knowledge that Enzo is a 'shot' fighter, even his punc seems to have gone which is a sure sign that he has lost his timing and balance. The deterioration of skills like this in a 32 year old is not due to age but due to ring wear, basically Enzo is damaged. Remember Brain scans only show problems when it is already too late. When I listen to Enzo talk lately I wonder if his accent has always been so thick or if it is a sign of soemthing darker. I find it amazing realy that after everything that has happened in the last 20 + years in boxing here that the warning signs are being unheeded by all except the majority of the boxing fans who are holding their breaths everytime Enzo steps into a ring now.

[The Insider]

I was at ringside for the Frenkle fight and it was a truly awful k.o. I along with the other officials at ringside were even screaming at the ref to stop it (iirc the ref actually tendered his resignation but it was refused by the e.u) I see no future for him even at domestic level with the punchers around in McKenzie, Clev (not huge granted), Bellew etc...

If Shane can hurt him at Cruiser anyone under the 14st4 mark can (no disrespect to Shane, cracking guy). Hopefully this was his final reality check (as if he needs anymore) and he will hang his gloves up on a win.

[fatcity69]

Well this is the thing, its not just the times hes been knocked out but the fact that all his ko defeats have been bad kos. I remember the fuss made about Herol Grahams loss to Julian Jackson and he was made to take a year out if I remember correctly, incidentailly he was never the same fighter after that ko either, but Enzo imo has suffered at least 3 or 4 knockout defeats on as bad a scale as Grahams loss to Jackson.
Im a great fan of boxing and more than aware of the risks every fighter takes in every fight but the Enzo situation seems to be a tragedy waiting to happen and the only people seemingly unaware of this seem to be his promoter and Enzo himself. Wheres the board of control in this, surely they are not blind to what is happening here?. The fact that cleverly is not a huge puncher could see Enzo taking a prolonged beating if they ever do meet... Enzo needs to look at what happened to some other fighters who carried on fighting despite being 'shot' ...greg Page, Jerry Quarry, Wilfred Benitez, Bobby Chacon, Wilfredo Gomez... great fighters and there are many more who are just unknown and forggotten about.
Hate to rant but it fills me with disgust to see a decent guy being steered towards what might be his ruin.

[Crease]

Im a great fan of boxing and more than aware of the risks every fighter takes in every fight but the Enzo situation seems to be a tragedy waiting to happen and the only people seemingly unaware of this seem to be his promoter and Enzo himself. Wheres the board of control in this, surely they are not blind to what is happening here?. The fact that cleverly is not a huge puncher could see Enzo taking a prolonged beating if they ever do meet... Enzo needs to look at what happened to some other fighters who carried on fighting despite being 'shot' ...greg Page, Jerry Quarry, Wilfred Benitez, Bobby Chacon, Wilfredo Gomez... great fighters and there are many more who are just unknown and forggotten about.
Hate to rant but it fills me with disgust to see a decent guy being steered towards what might be his ruin.

No problem mate and you are just right for speaking up... You made some excellent points there, I tip my hat off to you.

[dewipowell]

Enzo will never fight Clev and their promoter has never mentioned the fight to Clev so it's unfair for people to criticise him saying that he has.

[dookus]

His licence should be revoked. People need to understand the medical evidence which underlies the glib statement 'his punch resistance has gone.' Each concussion you suffer make it more likely you will suffer another. Getting knocked out is an extremely serious concussion. Even a small number of concussions massively increase the chances of dementia, depression, brain damage and all manner of other horrific health problems. When a fighter is getting knocked down every time he is caught cleanly, what that actually mean is that he has done so much cognitive damage to his brain, that he is now getting concussed far more easily than before. Its extremely dangerous. Boxers should not be allowed to fight anymore after 3 knockout losses and all fighters should regard their careers as short term.

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[NazNaci1]

Each and everytime Enzo has lost, in his eyes, there has been a reason for it. When someone is in that mindset it is difficult to get through. Sure, in the immediate aftermath, a fighter knows, but over the next few days, some can convince themselves, with the aid of 'friends' that they still have a future.

Boxers are proud and to accept that you can't do it anymore is a hammer blow, worse than any KO. Some just can't accept that. RJJ is one, Evander is another and you can add Enzo to that list, too. If Shane can do that to him (and that is not a knock on Shane at all), how an earth can Enzo seriously believe he can compete at a level above that? Beating a few Eastern Euro imports with losing records, in a round does nothing.

He looks shaky, his punches lacked venom and he barely got by (with the help of some inept time keeping). Enzo is keen on a Cleverly match up but Nathan is so much faster, more durable and has bundles of stamina to burn. It would be an appalling fight and spectacle but one, I bet, W@rren is seriously considering. That fight, in Cardiff, makes £££ and that's the bottom line, unfortunately.

Enzo does not like 'Internet keyboard warriors' telling him he should quit, as apparently we have never had a fight in our lives, so our opinions are worthless but it does not take a genius to work out what is missing here and who is conning who. Everyone seems to say he is a good lad etc but he never credits any of the fighters who beat him, there is always a reason as to why he lost and how, if he was 100%, they would not have lived with him etc. For that alone, he loses any credibility.

[Old bones Ian]

So what would you do if you were Warren, and Enzo is going to continue boxing no matter what?

Would you set him up with the biggest payday out there against Cleverly, knowing that it may end up with Enzo losing badly, but at least he'll get a big payday.

or set him up with a couple of meaningless fights , that he may lose anyway, and not get payed well for the effort.

[NazNaci1]

So what would you do if you were Warren, and Enzo is going to continue boxing no matter what?

Would you set him up with the biggest payday out there against Cleverly, knowing that it may end up with Enzo losing badly, but at least he'll get a big payday.

or set him up with a couple of meaningless fights , that he may lose anyway, and not get payed well for the effort.

W@rren is a business man. He won't be paying Enzo a huge sum for that fight. It is the fighter's unwillingness to accept that he cannot operate at a certain level that feeds fuel for such mismatches, baked in the fallacy that atleast 'he win earn a few quid'. What that means for a business man is, there is an opportunity to make myself some money here. The protection of the fighter comes as an afterthought.

What is required is some harsh words, strong opinions and a blunt assesment. What is so wrong with a promoter, who is supposed to care for his/her fighters acting with compassion or principles, in order to protect them. Enzo should have some money tucked away, as he earned a few quid in his time, so a one sided beating is not exactly going to set him up for life and could possibly do much more damage than the potential 15-20K he would earn. I can accept Boxing does not work this way but let's not try to gloss this over as someone doing Enzo a 'favour' here.