Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Confirmed for June 16th in South Africa. Strange move.
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funso banjo baby
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Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
seems a good fight to me
danie venter has a patchy record and has been very inactive...moving up and down weights
but hes actually a tough brawler with an explosive 1st round win over flo simba in his last outing
should be a good fight (if it happens) usually Venter fights collapse like souffles
danie venter has a patchy record and has been very inactive...moving up and down weights
but hes actually a tough brawler with an explosive 1st round win over flo simba in his last outing
should be a good fight (if it happens) usually Venter fights collapse like souffles
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
I think it's a good test as well.
Just think it's strange because all of Sonny bill's fights have been pay per view in N.Z and Australia and with a 10 hour time difference don't know why there having this one in South Africa.
Just think it's strange because all of Sonny bill's fights have been pay per view in N.Z and Australia and with a 10 hour time difference don't know why there having this one in South Africa.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Where did the confirmation come from?
I had only read today that an offer had been put to his management and they were waiting for a reply. If it's true, it's nice to see he is keeping active in the game.
I had only read today that an offer had been put to his management and they were waiting for a reply. If it's true, it's nice to see he is keeping active in the game.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
I read that the fight would have conflicted with a Rugby game Williams was expected to play in.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
If this is fair dinkum, why would Dunny have a bout during the pointy end of the the rugby's Super 15 season and before the internationals? The New Zealand rugby officials would be a tad cranky if Dunny suffered an injury in the ring.
Maybe Khoder has an exit strategy for Dunny to do to New Zealand rugby something similar to what Dunny did at the NRL's Bulldogs!
Maybe Khoder has an exit strategy for Dunny to do to New Zealand rugby something similar to what Dunny did at the NRL's Bulldogs!
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
I read it on NZFighters.com. There usually very good.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Not surprising. As far as the NZRU is concerned nothing gets in the way of an All Blacks game, test or otherwise.N2 Shape wrote:Not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
No? Who's he fighting next?N2 Shape wrote:Not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Kim dotcom or Jerry Brownlee better still whats Merv Hughes up to?yid14 wrote:No? Who's he fighting next?N2 Shape wrote:Not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Kim dotcom was fat enough to be opponent number 1,2 or 3 but you must admit if he wasn't ppv every fight already.... I'm intrigued, not 20 bucks a fight. But I'm hoping he goes well. N.Z boxing needs a superstar. NZ boxing needs something.Rogue wrote:Kim dotcom or Jerry Brownlee better still whats Merv Hughes up to?yid14 wrote:No? Who's he fighting next?N2 Shape wrote:Not happening.
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Kronkpride
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Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
1st of all, Sonny Bill Williams is not NZ HW Champ.....Chauncy Welliver is. 
2nd of all, SBW should go for broke and try to be the 1st rugby guy to be rated World Top 10 as a HW well within 10 fights.
After tonight, Billy Wright may be a Top 15 ranked WBA fighter and holding a form of the PABA HW Championship. He's 47 years old, will be 37-4, and is around 300 pounds. I'm not saying SBW can beat him. But, risk vs reward, why the hell not try? They could make a mint on this fight alone as it is a real challenge for huge movement forward and history making potential.
If he could win that fight. Then he could show down with Welliver for the NZ HW Titles and top rankings in all of the organizations. That would be an unreal event in terms of making money. SBW would win in losing. I don't even see a 1 in 1,000 chance of him beating Welliver, but how many guys try to go for history and make millions in less than 10 fights? And a crossover athlete to boot?
I put the same challenge out for David Tua to get off his arse and take. SBW may have more balls and smarts than him though.
New Zealand Needs Someone To Take The Wright Welliver Test!
2nd of all, SBW should go for broke and try to be the 1st rugby guy to be rated World Top 10 as a HW well within 10 fights.
After tonight, Billy Wright may be a Top 15 ranked WBA fighter and holding a form of the PABA HW Championship. He's 47 years old, will be 37-4, and is around 300 pounds. I'm not saying SBW can beat him. But, risk vs reward, why the hell not try? They could make a mint on this fight alone as it is a real challenge for huge movement forward and history making potential.
If he could win that fight. Then he could show down with Welliver for the NZ HW Titles and top rankings in all of the organizations. That would be an unreal event in terms of making money. SBW would win in losing. I don't even see a 1 in 1,000 chance of him beating Welliver, but how many guys try to go for history and make millions in less than 10 fights? And a crossover athlete to boot?
I put the same challenge out for David Tua to get off his arse and take. SBW may have more balls and smarts than him though.
New Zealand Needs Someone To Take The Wright Welliver Test!
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el_grande_mauro_mina
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Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Danie Venter is a reasonably good fighter - SBW will be on the wrong end of a thumping if he fights him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTELNoBYkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTELNoBYkk
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
What are most 50 year old men doing?Rogue wrote:Kim dotcom or Jerry Brownlee better still whats Merv Hughes up to?yid14 wrote:No? Who's he fighting next?N2 Shape wrote:Not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Fat Git wrote:Danie Venter is a reasonably good fighter - SBW will be on the wrong end of a thumping if he fights him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTELNoBYkk
The date of the proposed fight clashes with the date of the Ireland v New Zealand first Rugby Test in Christchurch. As a member of the All Blacks squad Williams would be expected to be available for the test match. Williams makes more money from Rugby than he does from boxing. Fight not happening.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Kronk sbw is a bonifide new zealander making him a legitimate new Zealand heavyweight champ! Simple as that case closed!
There will be no venter fight at least not this year anyway
There will be no venter fight at least not this year anyway
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
I agree, it would've been a good test for Dunny.Fat Git wrote:Danie Venter is a reasonably good fighter - SBW will be on the wrong end of a thumping if he fights him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTELNoBYkk
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Is Venter the fat white bloke?
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Kronkpride
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Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
New Zealand boxing's next big bout could be ... no, not Sonny Bill Williams... little-known American-Kiwi Chauncy Welliver fighting veteran US heavyweight Oliver McCall, a meeting which could bring Welliver closer to an even more resonant international heavyweight clash than his victory over Bert Cooper yesterday.
That's as long as Welliver did not break a bone in his hand - as some reports had it - in his 10-round victory over the tough Cooper, a well-known US heavyweight veteran with some big names on his boxing CV.
If not, the theory goes as follows: a bout in New Zealand against former world champion (and conqueror of Lennox Lewis) McCall and then, maybe, a title fight against one of the Klitchsko brothers, Wladimir or Vitali. Don't laugh. These are strange days in heavyweight boxing and David Tua had a fight in the offing against Wladimir, the dominant force in heavyweight boxing these days, had he managed to beat US journeyman Monte Barrett.
The Klitschkos have run out of credible contenders. Few had heard of Wladimir's latest victim, Frenchman Jean-Marc Mormeck, and in July he will be reduced to fighting 40-year-old Tony Thompson, an American whom he knocked out in a title defence in 2008.
Vitali not long ago dealt with Derek Chisora, a big-talking fighter whom few had heard of outside the UK.
Welliver is the 28-year-old originally from Spokane, Washington, but now New Zealand-based after first coming here as a sparring partner for Shane Cameron several years ago - and developing a liking for the country. He beat 46-year-old Cooper in the US yesterday, winning a unanimous points decision, retaining his WBC Continental Americas title.
Cooper, while well past his best, still has names like Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe and George Foreman on his record. Welliver has had 62 fights - a lot for a 28-year-old - and has been climbing up the credibility charts after linking with new manager Roland Jankelson. The latter is a wealthy backer who trained two heavyweights to title fights with one, Pinklon Thomas, WBC heavyweight champion in 1984 and 1985. His other title contender, Joe Hipp, is now Welliver's trainer and was the first native American to fight for a heavyweight title (ironically, one of his losses was to Cooper in 1991).
Welliver has risen to sixth in the WBC world rankings and seventh in the WBO's. He is a busy boxer - fighting 17 times since September 2009 - defending his WBC Continental Americas belt. A lesser title, it has nevertheless had some class holders including Holyfield, Michael Moorer, Leon Spinks, James Toney and others. Welliver, under Jankelson's guidance, has sometimes defended that title in China, where one of his bouts drew a TV audience of 15 million.
There is no confirmation that a Welliver-McCall fight will happen; approaches have been made but no decisions. But the bout against Cooper and the McCall approach shows that Welliver is beginning to take on bigger names.
WBO supervisor in New Zealand, John Glozier, said Welliver had approached McCall's camp but nothing had been settled yet: "I know he is trying to fight McCall here in New Zealand. People should not think Chauncy couldn't get a title shot because they haven't heard of him. The Klitschkos are getting on a bit [Vitali is 40 now] and a lot of the guys they are fighting ... there's not a lot of talent around."
Welliver's profile has been low up to now. He came into many of his fights overweight and under-prepared. He has addressed that and is a heavyweight with good hand speed and durability although maybe lacking a real power punch. Boxing being what it is, you don't have to be the baddest, meanest man on the planet to get a title shot. Politics, good management, connections and convenience all play a role.
Welliver called out Tua recently, offering a $500,000 purse but, with Tua seemingly sliding into retirement after his twin reverses against Barrett and the Cameron-Barrett bout (a fight with little hanging on it anyway) now postponed from next month to July, there is a gap in New Zealand's sparse boxing calendar.
McCall is best known for being one of only two boxers to defeat Lewis during his 10 years as heavyweight champion of the world; his surprise knockout of a complacent Lewis in 1994 one of the great modern surprises in the division. McCall was soundly beaten in the re-match three years later where, famously, the referee stopped the fight when a disturbed McCall seemingly had a breakdown, refusing to fight in two rounds and bursting into tears.
Now 46 and, like so many other heavyweights, on a comeback, McCall has some impressive scalps on his career belt - Lewis, Henry Akinwande, Oleg Maskaev, Larry Holmes and others. McCall's comeback began in 2010 and his best showing, after losing to tough fringe contender Timur Ibragimov on points, was a surprise split decision over another contender, Fres Oquendo. He has now picked up a couple of minor belts and, even at 46, has never been knocked down in his career, though he has lost a few fights on TKOs.
His many problems with recreational drugs and arrests are seemingly behind him and, if the fight with Welliver does come off, both will approach it as a bridge to a fight against one of the Klitschkos.
That's as long as Welliver did not break a bone in his hand - as some reports had it - in his 10-round victory over the tough Cooper, a well-known US heavyweight veteran with some big names on his boxing CV.
If not, the theory goes as follows: a bout in New Zealand against former world champion (and conqueror of Lennox Lewis) McCall and then, maybe, a title fight against one of the Klitchsko brothers, Wladimir or Vitali. Don't laugh. These are strange days in heavyweight boxing and David Tua had a fight in the offing against Wladimir, the dominant force in heavyweight boxing these days, had he managed to beat US journeyman Monte Barrett.
The Klitschkos have run out of credible contenders. Few had heard of Wladimir's latest victim, Frenchman Jean-Marc Mormeck, and in July he will be reduced to fighting 40-year-old Tony Thompson, an American whom he knocked out in a title defence in 2008.
Vitali not long ago dealt with Derek Chisora, a big-talking fighter whom few had heard of outside the UK.
Welliver is the 28-year-old originally from Spokane, Washington, but now New Zealand-based after first coming here as a sparring partner for Shane Cameron several years ago - and developing a liking for the country. He beat 46-year-old Cooper in the US yesterday, winning a unanimous points decision, retaining his WBC Continental Americas title.
Cooper, while well past his best, still has names like Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe and George Foreman on his record. Welliver has had 62 fights - a lot for a 28-year-old - and has been climbing up the credibility charts after linking with new manager Roland Jankelson. The latter is a wealthy backer who trained two heavyweights to title fights with one, Pinklon Thomas, WBC heavyweight champion in 1984 and 1985. His other title contender, Joe Hipp, is now Welliver's trainer and was the first native American to fight for a heavyweight title (ironically, one of his losses was to Cooper in 1991).
Welliver has risen to sixth in the WBC world rankings and seventh in the WBO's. He is a busy boxer - fighting 17 times since September 2009 - defending his WBC Continental Americas belt. A lesser title, it has nevertheless had some class holders including Holyfield, Michael Moorer, Leon Spinks, James Toney and others. Welliver, under Jankelson's guidance, has sometimes defended that title in China, where one of his bouts drew a TV audience of 15 million.
There is no confirmation that a Welliver-McCall fight will happen; approaches have been made but no decisions. But the bout against Cooper and the McCall approach shows that Welliver is beginning to take on bigger names.
WBO supervisor in New Zealand, John Glozier, said Welliver had approached McCall's camp but nothing had been settled yet: "I know he is trying to fight McCall here in New Zealand. People should not think Chauncy couldn't get a title shot because they haven't heard of him. The Klitschkos are getting on a bit [Vitali is 40 now] and a lot of the guys they are fighting ... there's not a lot of talent around."
Welliver's profile has been low up to now. He came into many of his fights overweight and under-prepared. He has addressed that and is a heavyweight with good hand speed and durability although maybe lacking a real power punch. Boxing being what it is, you don't have to be the baddest, meanest man on the planet to get a title shot. Politics, good management, connections and convenience all play a role.
Welliver called out Tua recently, offering a $500,000 purse but, with Tua seemingly sliding into retirement after his twin reverses against Barrett and the Cameron-Barrett bout (a fight with little hanging on it anyway) now postponed from next month to July, there is a gap in New Zealand's sparse boxing calendar.
McCall is best known for being one of only two boxers to defeat Lewis during his 10 years as heavyweight champion of the world; his surprise knockout of a complacent Lewis in 1994 one of the great modern surprises in the division. McCall was soundly beaten in the re-match three years later where, famously, the referee stopped the fight when a disturbed McCall seemingly had a breakdown, refusing to fight in two rounds and bursting into tears.
Now 46 and, like so many other heavyweights, on a comeback, McCall has some impressive scalps on his career belt - Lewis, Henry Akinwande, Oleg Maskaev, Larry Holmes and others. McCall's comeback began in 2010 and his best showing, after losing to tough fringe contender Timur Ibragimov on points, was a surprise split decision over another contender, Fres Oquendo. He has now picked up a couple of minor belts and, even at 46, has never been knocked down in his career, though he has lost a few fights on TKOs.
His many problems with recreational drugs and arrests are seemingly behind him and, if the fight with Welliver does come off, both will approach it as a bridge to a fight against one of the Klitschkos.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
A lot of words to say nothing.
Re: Sonny Bill Williams v.s Danie Venter.
Oliver did perform a public service in ko'ing Hoppa some years ago and is quite capable despite his advanced age in doing a repeat service on Chauncey!
In other words, 1,185,000,000 Chinese couldn't be bothered to watch Welliver!
- gushed Kronkpride above!Welliver, under Jankelson's guidance, has sometimes defended that title in China, where one of his bouts drew a TV audience of 15 million
In other words, 1,185,000,000 Chinese couldn't be bothered to watch Welliver!