No More Silver Gloves

[Athorn4941]

Well there is now no more silver gloves tournament that the young kids can enter. So what will replace it?

[allamerican]

Anyone have details on why Ray Rodgers withdrew the silver gloves from USA boxing?

[usaboxingmetrony]

Whaaa. Why did they stoped the silver gloves.? This sucks,this was one of the best tournament for the JOs smh.

[allamerican]

Unfortunately USA Boxing must inform the member-ship that Ray Rodgers, President of Silver Gloves has made the decision to withdraw Silver Gloves as a group member of USA Box-ing. USA Boxing Executive Director Anthony Bart-kowski was officially notified of this decision in writing and has responded to Ray Rodgers that USA Boxing acknowledges that Silver Gloves will no longer be a
group member of USA Box-ing.
It is my duty and the Execu-tive Director’s duty to inform the membership about the Silver Gloves and to let them know that in the future NO Silver Gloves events will be covered by USA Boxing insurance Nor will USA Boxing Sanction Those Events. If any mem-ber of USA Boxing partici-pates in any unsanctioned
event that member will be subject to suspension. USA Boxing has always felt from the grassroots level that Silver Gloves has been a very important program for our young athletes.
I have always respected the silver gloves program espe-cially donating funds to the Colo-rado State Program over the past years.

[westsidejab]

Unfortunately USA Boxing must inform the member-ship that Ray Rodgers, President of Silver Gloves has made the decision to withdraw Silver Gloves as a group member of USA Box-ing. USA Boxing Executive Director Anthony Bart-kowski was officially notified of this decision in writing and has responded to Ray Rodgers that USA Boxing acknowledges that Silver Gloves will no longer be a
group member of USA Box-ing.
It is my duty and the Execu-tive Director’s duty to inform the membership about the Silver Gloves and to let them know that in the future NO Silver Gloves events will be covered by USA Boxing insurance Nor will USA Boxing Sanction Those Events. If any mem-ber of USA Boxing partici-pates in any unsanctioned
event that member will be subject to suspension. USA Boxing has always felt from the grassroots level that Silver Gloves has been a very important program for our young athletes.
I have always respected the silver gloves program espe-cially donating funds to the Colo-rado State Program over the past years.

Why would they refuse to sanction the Silver Gloves and threaten USA Boxing members if they participated in the Silver Gloves if all they did was give up their group membership. Oh I can tell you why, because Hal Adonis, Anthony Barkowski, and Stan Nichols are using USA boxing to bully around group members and when they said, "well then we won't be a group member", they banned the entire program. USA Boxing is on its last leg because the corruption within will bring it down.

[scallum]

This is crazy. Hopefull they will get things back in order in time for the next Silver Gloves. I wonder could they actually suspend minors if the parents are the one who has to sign for them participating in Silver Gloves. Will they still be able to have the tournament without usa boxing

[westsidejab]

This is crazy. Hopefull they will get things back in order in time for the next Silver Gloves. I wonder could they actually suspend minors if the parents are the one who has to sign for them participating in Silver Gloves. Will they still be able to have the tournament without usa boxing

There WILL be a 2013 National Silver Gloves Tournament! You can bet the house on that one.

[scallum]

This is crazy. Hopefull they will get things back in order in time for the next Silver Gloves. I wonder could they actually suspend minors if the parents are the one who has to sign for them participating in Silver Gloves. Will they still be able to have the tournament without usa boxing

There WILL be a 2013 National Silver Gloves Tournament! You can bet the house on that one.

It does not sound like it will be sponsored by usa boxing.I will attend anyway be because Silver Gloves is The Tournament for kids 10- 15

[westsidejab]

Silver Gloves was never sponsored by USA Boxing, but it is sanctioned with them. USAB will sanction the Silver Gloves again in 2013 because if they don’t then it will be discrimination which is protected under the Ted Stevens Act. The USOC will never allow that to happen regardless of what the three stooges say to anyone. Regardless of what they think, USAB is not bigger then the USOC.

[Slythex]

I think there's more to it than this. Have you seen the recent news about the Golden Gloves not being a USAB Nationals qualifier for 2013?

As for what westsidejab said:

Silver Gloves was never sponsored by USA Boxing, but it is sanctioned with them. USAB will sanction the Silver Gloves again in 2013 because if they don’t then it will be discrimination which is protected under the Ted Stevens Act. The USOC will never allow that to happen regardless of what the three stooges say to anyone. Regardless of what they think, USAB is not bigger then the USOC.

I suspect you're right, in that it'll be worked out because no one really wants to hurt the kids. But I don't think the Ted Stevens act applies here, because 'right to participate' is predicated on 'being qualified to participate' (e.g. A guy off the street can't claim 'right to participate' as an official without satisfying the rules for getting certified as an official) and either rule violations or simply by withdrawing as a group member, in a way, removes that qualification. USAB is NOT required to sanction (i.e. provide with insurance) someone who doesn't satisfy their requirements.

I also think there have been issues with Rodgers and female boxing. Note that the Women's Golden Gloves is handled by other people, not him, and I think he wasn't supportive of the idea of girls boxing in the Silver Gloves either. Not sure if he out and out disallowed females, but I believe there were problems regarding that.

Any way you slice it, though, there's some butting of heads between Rodgers and USAB, beyond just silver gloves. Hopefully, it will get worked out one way or another.

[westsidejab]

The Silver Gloves Association just posted this statement:

Silver Gloves Association is still an active organization, as it has been since 1967.
Recently USA Boxing demanded the annual fee to be a “Group Member” be quadrupled.
Previous agreements were gutted and multiple pages of new rules were demanded. Therefore, in February, the Silver Gloves Association Executive Board voted unanimously to withdraw as a group member.
The Silver Gloves Board is made up of ALL volunteer members who keep the health and safety of the athletes first and foremost. The Association offers junior age boxers the opportunity to experience advancing tournaments in eight regions. These events have always been very successful.
Thanks to two national sponsors the National Silver Gloves Tournament is the best run and most fun tournament in the country. Thank you Ringside and Long Motor Corporation for your outstanding support.
Silver Gloves tournaments will continue, hopefully without interference.

As far as girls in the Silver Gloves go this is the truth behind it all.

There was never enough interest in girls boxing in the years past to financially support a National tournament for the girls. Now that there is increased interest in women’s boxing in the sport, the board was working to create two separate tournaments because of the ages of these young men and women whose hormones are raging. I will go one step further in adding that USAB legal advisors had recommended that the Silver Gloves Association start the tournament in 2013 separately, but the three stooges at USAB went AGAINST their own legal advisors and forced the Silver Gloves Association to conduct the tournament in 2012 together. The liability issues regarding male and female athletes ages 10-15 together in a hotel for the week is a legal time bomb waiting to go off. Shame on you USAB for not looking out for our children!

[boxmel]

All Group Members (GG, SG, National PAL, NCBA) must sign a yearly contract with USA Boxing in which they agree to adhere to all USA Boxing's rules and regulations with approved exceptions.

I have heard that Ray Rodgers pulled Silver Gloves as a Group Member several months ago. Females did compete in the 2012 national championships - that was not an issue. Nor were there any problems having both sexes there. I do know that, recently, he was suspended for one year for his refusal to allow Hawaii to participate in the Silver Gloves. .

It doesn't appear to me that Ray has the athlete's best interests at heart.

[Dennis]

Silver Gloves tournaments can be conducted without Silver Gloves being a group member. Many tournament across the nation are hosted without the sanction holder being a group member.

The Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves are much stronger programs than USA Boxing realizes and could survive just fine as an autonomous entity or entities. If that happened USA Boxing would lose much of its revenue in the form of athlete and non-athlete registrations, sanction fees for club shows and tournaments and club membership fees.

[jdf]

Dennis, I believe you are correct.....at least I see it the same way.

[boxmel]

The Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves are much stronger programs than USA Boxing realizes and could survive just fine as an autonomous entity or entities. If that happened USA Boxing would lose much of its revenue in the form of athlete and non-athlete registrations, sanction fees for club shows and tournaments and club membership fees.

However, their tournaments would not lead to any international competition, i.e., dual meets, Pan Am
Games, Olympics, etc.

And considering USAB is THE national governing body for ALL amateur boxing in the U.S., any competitions GG had as an autonomous entity would not be sanctioned competitions for registered USAB athletes and non-athletes.

[westsidejab]

The Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves are much stronger programs than USA Boxing realizes and could survive just fine as an autonomous entity or entities. If that happened USA Boxing would lose much of its revenue in the form of athlete and non-athlete registrations, sanction fees for club shows and tournaments and club membership fees.

However, their tournaments would not lead to any international competition, i.e., dual meets, Pan Am
Games, Olympics, etc.

And considering USAB is THE national governing body for ALL amateur boxing in the U.S., any competitions GG had as an autonomous entity would not be sanctioned competitions for registered USAB athletes and non-athletes.

Just because the Silver Gloves is not a group member now does not mean that they can't be sanctioned for a tournament. There are a variety of different tournaments all across the country that are not sanctioned by group members. If USAB continues to try and ban the Silver Gloves they will find themselves in a lawsuit for discrimination and harassment. The Silver Gloves did not send a team to the Junior Olympics last year and that was a tournament they dominated almost every year. The Silver Gloves does not forward boxers to any international competition so that is not an issue either.

[ReggieDiggs]

And I thought pro boxing had problems Wow at all this drama.