Mayweather vs Cotto : Any thoughts ?

[Quixall]

Either this forum is slowing down a great deal or people just couldn't be arsed with the fight ?

Just wanted to know people's thoughts about the fight.............

I thought it was a fairly comfortable win for Floyd and had he stayed on the outside all night, i think it would have been a shut out. Not sure why Floyd decides to fight on the ropes or on the inside, especially against a fighter like Cotto, but half of me thinks that he does it to prove something to people, ie, he can beat a fighter at his own game. It made me laugh when Merchant asked Floyd about his bloody nose, as if boxing isn't his profession lol. Reminds me of the time Bruno punched Tyson and made Tyson momentarily put a foot back before continuing his onslaught and Harry Carpenter said " and he's hurt Tyson......" as if Tyson was wobbling aka Khanesque around the ring.

Pretty predictable win IMO, but what are your thoughts, if you actually give a shit

[Gray-Fox]

Agree with you 100%

Always makes me laugh when people (the media) make more out of Floyd being hit than is necessary. I guess it shows how much they too hero worship Floyd, but manifest it in hatred and bile filled articles.

[P4P#1]

I thought this came on this morning to see what people were saying and there was nothing on lol. I enjoyed the fight thought Floyd didnt really get out of 2nd gear though and thought he could have maybe forced a stoppage if he really wanted too, i had rounds 10-12 stoppage so was screaming at tv for him to put it on him.

[Datsue]

Either this forum is slowing down a great deal or people just couldn't be arsed with the fight ?

Just wanted to know people's thoughts about the fight.............

I thought it was a fairly comfortable win for Floyd and had he stayed on the outside all night, i think it would have been a shut out. Not sure why Floyd decides to fight on the ropes or on the inside, especially against a fighter like Cotto, but half of me thinks that he does it to prove something to people, ie, he can beat a fighter at his own game. It made me laugh when Merchant asked Floyd about his bloody nose, as if boxing isn't his profession lol. Reminds me of the time Bruno punched Tyson and made Tyson momentarily put a foot back before continuing his onslaught and Harry Carpenter said " and he's hurt Tyson......" as if Tyson was wobbling aka Khanesque around the ring.

Pretty predictable win IMO, but what are your thoughts, if you actually give a shit

He's obviously still the biz & he won going away 8-4 or 9-3, but he looked distinctly mortal, if you ask me. There's obviously two sides to anything & like any boxing result you can spin it any way you want, but you did ask for my opinion, so here goes...

Amazed Cotto lasted the route. This wasn't the Floyd of even two years ago, & anyone who genuinely thinks it was needs their heads seeing to. He's slowed down enough so that his technical flaws (that leaning away from punches thing that sometimes becomes sticking his head up at an odd angle, so he gets caught with orthodox left jabs/southpaw straight lefts (see also: first four rounds of the Judah fight): there were a couple of times last night where he obviously expected to be safely out of harm's way but got caught so utterly flush with the jab his head looked like a Pez dispenser) are now coming to light. I've never seen him obviously feel the pace before.

I find it very hard to believe Floyd "intended" to hit Cotto with everything but the corner stool & fail to do more than discomfort him briefly, get his nose busted up & fail to manhandle Cotto on the inside like he so obviously wanted to do, in order to somehow bait Manny into a showdown or "prove" something to someone. That's the most idiotic thing I think I've ever heard, meself.

I've been going on for months about how Cotto was going to be picked apart, lose every round, not lay a glove on him & get KO'd. I believe Mayweather thought exactly the same thing & there were times in there where you could just tell he was thinking "Fvck, this is hard work", which is something he hasn't had to contend with since the first Castillo fight, really.

Lastly: I've never ever liked the kiddie, but MAC made a new fan last night. As I said in the RBR thread: I hereby revoke everything nasty I've ever said about the fella. He could have fvcked it off when after four or five rounds it looked like Floyd was going to tan him & it looked like Floyd was actually for once going all out on him, could have gone into that "won't get too ambitious in case I annoy him" mode that so many fighters in big fights go into when they realise they can't win, but instead bit down on his gumshield & brought it like a mofo.

Miguel Angel Cotto:

[Gray-Fox]

He's obviously still the biz & he won going away 8-4 or 9-3, but he looked distinctly mortal, if you ask me.

He got caught by bigger and better punches in the Judah fight. What's your point? He's always been mortal...Loads of fighters have caught Floyd flush, going back to the days when he boxed Castillo. This is really just a useless point to make.

Amazed Cotto lasted the route. This wasn't the Floyd of even two years ago

Because of??? He got caught more vs Castillo. Hatton and Judah caught him etc.

He's slowed down enough so that his technical flaws (that leaning away from punches thing that sometimes becomes sticking his head up at an odd angle, so he gets caught with orthodox left jabs/southpaw straight lefts (see also: first four rounds of the Judah fight): there were a couple of times last night where he obviously expected to be safely out of harm's way but got caught so utterly flush with the jab his head looked like a Pez dispenser) are now coming to light. I've never seen him obviously feel the pace before.

All this, yet he still won a near landslide? PRetty amazing right?

I find it very hard to believe Floyd "intended" to hit Cotto with everything but the corner stool & fail to do more than discomfort him briefly, get his nose busted up & fail to manhandle Cotto on the inside like he so obviously wanted to do, in order to somehow bait Manny into a showdown or "prove" something to someone. That's the most idiotic thing I think I've ever heard, meself.

After finding the first few rounds so easy, I think Floyd got complacent. This explains him giving (what my old trainer calls) "freebies" away. Did he get caught when he was boxing on the outside? The answer is categorically no. He got caught when he took more risks, which is the classic trade off boxers make. He could have (and should have) done what he did to Baldomir if he didn't get complacent. I also think he's thinking about pleasing fans and observers more...which imo is pointless. However, when shit hits the fan, he reverts to type. That's how he won last night.

I've been going on for months about how Cotto was going to be picked apart, lose every round, not lay a glove on him & get KO'd.

But this says something about you, not Floyd.

I believe Mayweather thought exactly the same thing & there were times in there where you could just tell he was thinking "Fvck, this is hard work", which is something he hasn't had to contend with since the first Castillo fight, really.

See my point about complacency, then compare how he boxed him from the outside.

[Datsue]

He's obviously still the biz & he won going away 8-4 or 9-3, but he looked distinctly mortal, if you ask me.

He got caught by bigger and better punches in the Judah fight. What's your point? He's always been mortal...Loads of fighters have caught Floyd flush, going back to the days when he boxed Castillo. This is really just a useless point to make.

Amazed Cotto lasted the route. This wasn't the Floyd of even two years ago

Because of??? He got caught more vs Castillo. Hatton and Judah caught him etc.

He's slowed down enough so that his technical flaws (that leaning away from punches thing that sometimes becomes sticking his head up at an odd angle, so he gets caught with orthodox left jabs/southpaw straight lefts (see also: first four rounds of the Judah fight): there were a couple of times last night where he obviously expected to be safely out of harm's way but got caught so utterly flush with the jab his head looked like a Pez dispenser) are now coming to light. I've never seen him obviously feel the pace before.

All this, yet he still won a near landslide? PRetty amazing right?

I find it very hard to believe Floyd "intended" to hit Cotto with everything but the corner stool & fail to do more than discomfort him briefly, get his nose busted up & fail to manhandle Cotto on the inside like he so obviously wanted to do, in order to somehow bait Manny into a showdown or "prove" something to someone. That's the most idiotic thing I think I've ever heard, meself.

After finding the first few rounds so easy, I think Floyd got complacent. This explains him giving (what my old trainer calls) "freebies" away. Did he get caught when he was boxing on the outside? The answer is categorically no. He got caught when he took more risks, which is the classic trade off boxers make. He could have done what he did to Baldomir if he didn't get complacent.

I've been going on for months about how Cotto was going to be picked apart, lose every round, not lay a glove on him & get KO'd.

But this says something about you, not Floyd.

I believe Mayweather thought exactly the same thing & there were times in there where you could just tell he was thinking "Fvck, this is hard work", which is something he hasn't had to contend with since the first Castillo fight, really.

See my point about complacency, then compare how he boxed him from the outside.

Thank you for actually taking the time to respond like a normal human being for once.

I must ask this, though: why are you going utterly apeshit, all over the board, to people who are talking about someone else, as if they've personally insulted you? You're not actually Floyd Mayweather himself are you? Actually, seeing the way you froth at the mouth, you're more likely to be Roger...

PS: I will say that the likely truth falls somewhere between our two viewpoints: Floyd could've (maybe) done a minimum contact job a la Baldo, but thought "I'm going to have this kiddie, & show Pac up". However he tried his arse off & just couldn't dent or budge Cotto no matter what he tried to do. Actually trying to do so & failing took it out of him for maybe the first time in his life, which I think genuinely shook Floyd a little, imo. I really don't think he was taking his foot off of anything, he just couldn't get rid of Cotto when he thought he could, & found out to his genuine chagrin that he couldn't sustain the effort needed for that when MAC adjusted & didn't go away. Hence the mid-rounds.

[Gray-Fox]

Watch this too...Post fight presser - Floyd pretty much addresses what we've been talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1PNyWoV ... zHFlTtsUsQ

I disagree with Floyd that there's no one out there for him. Martinez and Pac fights need to be made.

[dsimpson]

Mayweather really is on another level. He basically took the piss out of a three weight world champion last night. He was in control throughout. Cotto did well and all credit to him, but I didn't sense he Pushed Floyd onto the ropes, I sensed Floyd actually chose to fight there. Quite incredible, but rather than thinking he's slowing down I tend to think he actually held Cotto up in there.

[mrbassie]

I thought he looked a little off. I'm not alluding to his hanging around on the ropes or his bloody nose, he seemed to miss more than usual. Obviously some of that is due to Cotto himself but, well...like I say, he looked a little off, a little flat. Disinterested almost. I don't know how else to describe it.

[NazNaci1]

Mayweather really is on another level. He basically took the piss out of a three weight world champion last night. He was in control throughout. Cotto did well and all credit to him, but I didn't sense he Pushed Floyd onto the ropes, I sensed Floyd actually chose to fight there. Quite incredible, but rather than thinking he's slowing down I tend to think he actually held Cotto up in there.

Well I think Cotto must have been doing something to effect Mayweather as, yes, I do agree, at first he willingly went to the ropes and tried to counter but Cotto must have been doing something correct because over the last few rounds, the ropes were somewhere he was trying to get off of. I think Cotto surprised him a little with the (minor) successes he had when he got Floyd on the ropes, so it made sense for Floyd to keep it centre ring and work from there, which he did over the last few rounds.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Christ - it's not like Floyd was in against a scrub is it - I mean, fighters get hit - when they are facing opponents at or near their level, Cotto is a 3 weight champ, and an excellent fighter - a little short of great, but nontheless still one of the best fighters of his era.

Cotto is also the naturally bigger man, he's moved from 140 to 154, whereas Floyd has come all the way from Sr Feather - big difference.

I think Cotto looks a lot better at 154 than he has in a long time, his stamina seems better - he was always running on empty at the lower weights because he was draining to get down there.

He's not the biggest 154 lber, but he definitely seems healthier.

It's not like Mayweather has never been tagged in fights before, even Hatton had his moments early on, and made Mayweather look quite uncomfortable for the first 3, until he got his timing going. Cotto sustained the pressure unlike anyone since Castillo, but in reality, he was still never really in the fight.

Against Pacman, he got hurt and never really seemed to recover - you have to wonder whether it's a stamina issue at the lower weights.

[greenyox3]

If Mayweather is slowing down, then fook me, how fast was he before?!

The outcome was pretty predictable I thought, we knew Cotto would try and win (unlike some previous opponents) and most people thought Mayweather would just have too much skill for him. That's probably why this forum is so quiet on it, because there haven't been any surprises or anything to debate.

Mayweather's running out of opponents now. For me it's only Martinez or Pac. Alvarez is still too green to stand any chance. I'd like to see him vs Cotto.

[Gray-Fox]

Larry Merchant at the end of the fight: "There's a sense of buzz and excitement because they've never seen Mayweather in a fight like this, but he CLEARLY won the fight, and the fans are likely to be disappointed when they hear the numbers"

Sums it up.

[MR T]

I've been really surprised how clear everyone thought Mayweather won. I was at the fight and a lot of people around me thought it was quite close. I wasn't in bad seats either and had a good view...

[Bennyblanco]

Great fight. Mayweather clearly won to me but cotto put up a great fight. Gods knows why he choose to fight against the ropes with cotto, if he'd of took to the center of the ring for the majority of the fight there would be no talk of him getting clipped a few times. Just talk of his greatness.

The HBO commentery was awful, didn't give cotto any props whatsoever and blew smoke up floyds arse all fight. was like an American Jim watt. If your going to commentate a fight, then commentate on what's happening then occasionally put in your views on how good or bad fighter A or B is, in my opinion.

[Kilburn]

Whether or not Floyd showed real signs of decline last night (personally he didn't seem quite the same to me), I think it's fair to say that decline is in the post. The guy is 35 years old.

With every passing month the Mayweather v Pacquiao showdown becomes less of a spectacle IMO. By the time the fight is made I can envisage at least one of the participants having made noticeable concessions to age, adapting their style accordingly and thus the genuine "super fight" label will be relinquished.

[Final round]

Nice job Floyd but Pacquiao did it better.

[Quixall]

Mayweather really is on another level. He basically took the piss out of a three weight world champion last night. He was in control throughout. Cotto did well and all credit to him, but I didn't sense he Pushed Floyd onto the ropes, I sensed Floyd actually chose to fight there. Quite incredible, but rather than thinking he's slowing down I tend to think he actually held Cotto up in there.

Agreed

[Bennyblanco]

Nice job Floyd but Pacquiao did it better.

Doesn't really mean much though does it? Mayweather did a better job on Mosley and Marquez pretty much beat pac last time out

[Final round]

Held Cotto up!! no chance...he would have fornicating nailed him in the first round and told Pac 80/20 if he could.
Cotto refused to lie down.

[Quixall]

Floyd battered him seemingly at will and I felt that the 2 of the 3 or 4 he dropped were by his own doing as he snatched a breather. There was one point, think it was the 7th or 9th, where there was zero pop on Floyd's shots and my heart was in my mouth, but it looked like he was just cruising, which is amazing when you consider how good Cotto is at that weight.

I agree with the guys in the studio, though, as he is slowing with each fight. Floyd can't punch in more than 2-3s anymore, which is a shame as he can put his shots together. The other problem is that he didn't hit with enough power to stop Cotto, he probably figured this out by the 5th and just went for the decision win, although a left through the middle late hurt Miguel. Maybe his hands were feeling it as the rounds ticked on?

There were a few times when shots went in that surprised Mayweather, that was the major concern for me as he usually times the incoming fire. Naturally, there's a bit of fade and wear and tear so it sounds like nit-picking, but there are signs that he isn't the force he once was.

Despite all this, he'll stand Manny on his head based on recent performances. Especially if Manny-Bradley turnes into the type of god awful maul that I'm expecting and once again shows that Pacman is leagues below Mayweather when it comes to technique and the fundamentals.

Cotto performed well an' all, I thought he'd get snotted about early and take a knee in the 10th to prompt the ref to stop it, but he gritted it out and gave himself a little lift at just the right times. Ironically he looked OK when he tried to box Floyd, but adopting that style tired him as he had to be super concentrated, he looked more at ease when cutting the distance and putting the pressure on.

Mayweather cops a lot of shit, but he took on a reinvigorated guy who is finally fighting at his optimum weight and barely dropped a round unless he wanted to.

HBO need to get someone else to interview him post-fight though. Merchant sees these interview spots as the latest chapters in the Larry Merchant show and his flyaway tuft of hair was distracting, especially at 6am in the morning.

Just about agree with all that King.......

ps Who gives a shit if Floyd said sorry and Merchant accepted the apology........What a load of bollocks, who cares.

[Final round]

Nice job Floyd but Pacquiao did it better.

Doesn't really mean much though does it? Mayweather did a better job on Mosley and Marquez pretty much beat pac last time out

Mosley. I'd agree Floyd's performance was more impressive but Mosley was in pure survival mode against Pac after he got nailed

Talking Mosley he fought a brave performance against Alvarez

[Quixall]

He's obviously still the biz & he won going away 8-4 or 9-3, but he looked distinctly mortal, if you ask me.

He got caught by bigger and better punches in the Judah fight. What's your point? He's always been mortal...Loads of fighters have caught Floyd flush, going back to the days when he boxed Castillo. This is really just a useless point to make.

Amazed Cotto lasted the route. This wasn't the Floyd of even two years ago

Because of??? He got caught more vs Castillo. Hatton and Judah caught him etc.

He's slowed down enough so that his technical flaws (that leaning away from punches thing that sometimes becomes sticking his head up at an odd angle, so he gets caught with orthodox left jabs/southpaw straight lefts (see also: first four rounds of the Judah fight): there were a couple of times last night where he obviously expected to be safely out of harm's way but got caught so utterly flush with the jab his head looked like a Pez dispenser) are now coming to light. I've never seen him obviously feel the pace before.

All this, yet he still won a near landslide? PRetty amazing right?

I find it very hard to believe Floyd "intended" to hit Cotto with everything but the corner stool & fail to do more than discomfort him briefly, get his nose busted up & fail to manhandle Cotto on the inside like he so obviously wanted to do, in order to somehow bait Manny into a showdown or "prove" something to someone. That's the most idiotic thing I think I've ever heard, meself.

After finding the first few rounds so easy, I think Floyd got complacent. This explains him giving (what my old trainer calls) "freebies" away. Did he get caught when he was boxing on the outside? The answer is categorically no. He got caught when he took more risks, which is the classic trade off boxers make. He could have (and should have) done what he did to Baldomir if he didn't get complacent. I also think he's thinking about pleasing fans and observers more...which imo is pointless. However, when shit hits the fan, he reverts to type. That's how he won last night.

I've been going on for months about how Cotto was going to be picked apart, lose every round, not lay a glove on him & get KO'd.

But this says something about you, not Floyd.

I believe Mayweather thought exactly the same thing & there were times in there where you could just tell he was thinking "Fvck, this is hard work", which is something he hasn't had to contend with since the first Castillo fight, really.

See my point about complacency, then compare how he boxed him from the outside.

Good post Gray

[stujones]

Fight pretty much went as I thought, Cotto's sheer strength made it one of Floyd's tougher fights. Floyd isn't a 154 lbs fighter...... the strength of more natural 154 lbers are going to give him some problems. He has the skill to outbox most, but finds it more difficult to control them, cause even shots that hit arms can have an affect at 154.

He's had two fights at 154, against geniune 154 lbs fighters.... and he has ha relative struggles (by Floyd's standards) in both. It might be that I am doing DLH and Cotto a disservice, perhaps they have the skill set to give Floyd problems at 147 also (providing they make the weight well) - these are among his two best opponents P4P also.

I said in my prediction, and generally got criticised for it, that Cotto at 154 is a tougher ask for Floyd than Manny at 140/147.... I still think that is the case.

[Quixall]

Either this forum is slowing down a great deal or people just couldn't be arsed with the fight ?

Just wanted to know people's thoughts about the fight.............

I thought it was a fairly comfortable win for Floyd and had he stayed on the outside all night, i think it would have been a shut out. Not sure why Floyd decides to fight on the ropes or on the inside, especially against a fighter like Cotto, but half of me thinks that he does it to prove something to people, ie, he can beat a fighter at his own game. It made me laugh when Merchant asked Floyd about his bloody nose, as if boxing isn't his profession lol. Reminds me of the time Bruno punched Tyson and made Tyson momentarily put a foot back before continuing his onslaught and Harry Carpenter said " and he's hurt Tyson......" as if Tyson was wobbling aka Khanesque around the ring.

Pretty predictable win IMO, but what are your thoughts, if you actually give a shit

He's obviously still the biz & he won going away 8-4 or 9-3, but he looked distinctly mortal, if you ask me. There's obviously two sides to anything & like any boxing result you can spin it any way you want, but you did ask for my opinion, so here goes...

Amazed Cotto lasted the route. This wasn't the Floyd of even two years ago, & anyone who genuinely thinks it was needs their heads seeing to. He's slowed down enough so that his technical flaws (that leaning away from punches thing that sometimes becomes sticking his head up at an odd angle, so he gets caught with orthodox left jabs/southpaw straight lefts (see also: first four rounds of the Judah fight): there were a couple of times last night where he obviously expected to be safely out of harm's way but got caught so utterly flush with the jab his head looked like a Pez dispenser) are now coming to light. I've never seen him obviously feel the pace before.

I find it very hard to believe Floyd "intended" to hit Cotto with everything but the corner stool & fail to do more than discomfort him briefly, get his nose busted up & fail to manhandle Cotto on the inside like he so obviously wanted to do, in order to somehow bait Manny into a showdown or "prove" something to someone. That's the most idiotic thing I think I've ever heard, meself.

I've been going on for months about how Cotto was going to be picked apart, lose every round, not lay a glove on him & get KO'd. I believe Mayweather thought exactly the same thing & there were times in there where you could just tell he was thinking "Fvck, this is hard work", which is something he hasn't had to contend with since the first Castillo fight, really.

Lastly: I've never ever liked the kiddie, but MAC made a new fan last night. As I said in the RBR thread: I hereby revoke everything nasty I've ever said about the fella. He could have fvcked it off when after four or five rounds it looked like Floyd was going to tan him & it looked like Floyd was actually for once going all out on him, could have gone into that "won't get too ambitious in case I annoy him" mode that so many fighters in big fights go into when they realise they can't win, but instead bit down on his gumshield & brought it like a mofo.

Miguel Angel Cotto:

I think the points that you highlight have been seen in other fights, one's which people have praised Floyd. Hatton gave far more trouble to Floyd than Cotto did in the opening five rounds, as did Judah and Mosley staggered Floyd in their fight, so Cotto occasionally pushing Floyd's head back is no great shakes. I honestly think that some people expect Floyd to go through a fight with out being hit once. Yes, i do think that he purposely went on the inside and backed himself into the ropes and fought Cotto's way, because it was clear that Cotto was punching thin air, getting pot shotted and countered when Floyd fought on the outside, so that was the natural style and tactic to adopt.

I think Floyd out boxed Cotto at will and as some have said, he never got out of second gear. I don't think Floyd looked any slower than he has done in recent fights and i don't think he was tiring either. He adapted to his preferred style from the 7th round onwards because he knew that he couldn't stop Cotto, which is no disgrace considering that Cotto is a natural 154lbs fighter. It was reminiscent of the De La Hoya fight, where the crowd got all excited at De La Hoya punching Floyds gloves and constantly missing. I scored that fight by five rounds to Floyd and i scored this one by seven rounds to Floyd. It was almost comical to see how badly Cotto was missing his shots and getting countered whilst Floyd was on the ropes.

Cotto was Cotto, so i'm not sure what you mean about the "Bite down on the gumshield......" comment. He was the same in the first Margarito fight and the Pacquaio fight, he just goes forward throwing punches and soaking up punishment. That is his style, so i don't think that he had a different mentality towards Floyd that he wouldn't have had against other opponents. The guy will come at you untill he is victorious, stopped or pulled by his corner. I think that if Floyd had of taken a more cautious approach to the fight, he would have won without Cotto laying a glove on him, as it was, he went into Cotto's territory, coaxed him into a punch fest at times and still won by a landslide.