Should Chisora and Haye Be Allowed To Fighton July 14th?

[keithmoonhangover]

What do you think?

[Coco]

They should be allowed to fight........















In Luxembourg

[keithmoonhangover]

They should be allowed to fight........
















In Luxembourg

[IRLangmaid25]

They should be allowed to fight........
















In Luxembourg

or in the Bastile. As it falls on Bastile Day.

[Heiwa]

Definitely not. They should only be allowed to fight once they have served appropriate suspensions/sanctions following their disgraceful behaviour. IMO :)

[T.M.K]

They should be allowed to fight........

In Luxembourg

Word for word, exactly what I was going to write!



"T.M.K"

[jonny]

They should be allowed to fight........

In Luxembourg

Word for word, exactly what I was going to write!



"T.M.K"

Yeah I'll back that

[youngrell]

I've been undecided on my feelings about this fight, but seeing as my girlfriend announced last night that she has bought me a ticket as a surprise, I suppose I better start showing an interest!

I think the board should have just given Chisora a 6 month ban and then FW could have put this on at a slightly later date with no problems at all. This has been a huge balls up by everyone.

Just hope the fight is worth it now that I'm going

[smoggy7188]

I want to see the fight however I think the ramifications of the fight taking place make me think the fight should not take place.

[desperados]

yeah fighters should be allowed to fight

if what chisora done was so disgraceful, they should have gave him a ban. they pissed about and gave him a punishment of removing his licence for an unknown period of time. I remember the day it happened Rob Smith was endlessly explaining to journos, who didnt understand the punishment, that "this isn't a life ban". WTF is it then? indecisive idiots got shown up for the fools they are. You had your chance bbboc, now lets get it on!!

[jessi]

100% yes, it was not illegal and through public demand was selling like hot cakes, it had sweet fa to do with the WBC and the bbbc need to get with the times, if the public demand it and it's legal get over it ! If your not interested in the fight don't watch it. It couldn't get any more simple.
Haye and chisora had a brawl, so what ! It's not the first and it certainly won't be the last.

[jessi]

Dear Robert


An Open Letter in reply to the BBB of C’s Press statement

I was surprised to say the least at the Board’s press statement dated 9th May 2012 in relation to the Haye v Chisora fight at West Ham and particularly the references to the Federation Luxembourgeoise de Boxe. I am also concerned at the threats made to our members and other licence holders of the Board of Control to withdraw their licences if they participate in the show.

Our Association has worked alongside the BBB of C for 13 years. Generally speaking this has been a good working relationship and we see no reason for this to change if we all genuinely share a passion for the betterment of British Boxing. However, over the last few years certain actions taken by the Board have alienated license holders and we have no effective vote on these decisions. The only people who can vote and have a say in how the Board is run are the Area Council Officers. However, these Officers are not voted in by the licence holders but are appointed by the Board and the Board itself appoints its own directors. Therefore, there is no-one who can vote on any issues at all who has any duty to represent the licence holders and we feel we have no voice.

Whilst we raised these concerns with you, nothing happened and you refused to even discuss them. This culminated last year with a protest by license holders at the Company’s AGM. As a result of which the AGM was suspended with the Board agreeing to meet with a delegation of license holders to discuss the way forward. The delegation (democratically elected) met with you in Birmingham. We were told that you would listen to what we had to say but would make no changes; there was little point in us meeting.

Since our meeting in Birmingham, there have been further matters which caused us concern. Firstly Jane Couch’s licenses were taken away from her in what seemed to us to be a personal dispute with her and the Chairman rather than a matter which should have concerned the Board. This dispute exposed worrying concerns about Mr Giles before the Board stepped down having spent time and money fighting the dispute. Secondly, a complaint was made by Mr allegedly over the lack of BBB of C support of Dereck Chisora when he fought in Germany.

He alleged that had the Chairman been more pro-active then the issues in Germany (including checking the security arrangements) could have been avoided. I was not present in Germany and so do not know what happened, but whoever was responsible, it does show that the Board and the Chairman have lost the support of various licensees. I speculate, but this could be because the Chairman has other loyalties which could cause licence holders to question his full support. He is the Vice Chairman of the EBU and holds a prominent position with the WBC.

After our meeting in Birmingham, the members of our Association together with other licence holders entered into discussions with the Federation Luxembourgeoise de Boxe. The Federation has been in existence in its present form since inception in 1922. It is affiliated to the EBU, WBA, WBO, IBF and WBC and it therefore is recognised by the BBBofC. Indeed the BBBofC have authorised boxers to fight in tournaments regulated by the Federation on many occasions in the past. It could not do otherwise without being in breach of its own Rules. Less than a month ago the Federation regulated and staged a show in Germany with the full support of the German Federation who permitted its own licence holders to take part.

We were attracted to the Luxembourg Federation because its safety record is second to none and it has personal injury insurance in place and strict procedures for protecting the safety of boxers. However,coupled with that, it is run by its members for its members. Managers, promoters and trainers are allowed to vote at the Company’s AGM and therefore have a real say as to how boxing is run. Whilst the Federation regulates the safety of boxing, it confines this to licensing, ringside supervision and the protection of the boxers in the ring, allowing the members freedom in other areas. Therefore we entered into an agreement so that the Association is now the Federation’s representative in the UK and has been since March 12th 2012. I informed you of this and I informed you of the insurance and safety provisions when we met. This makes press release all the more surprising as I had been completely open with you as to what we were doing, the reasons why and the protection which would be afforded to the boxers under the Federation.

Moving onto the licensing of Haye v Chisora. Neither boxer is on the banned / suspension list. Chisora was sanctioned by your own body and having heard the evidence you decided to withdraw his licence rather than ban him. It is worth noting that this was under enormous pressure and scrutiny of the press. We are surprised that you question whether these boxers should be licensed as they are both fit and well to fight, neither have a criminal conviction and neither have been banned by yours or any other sanctioning body. This is especially so when there has been not a squeak out of the Board over Mayweather, Tyson, Scott Welch, Danny Williams and currently Scott Dixon to name but a few.

From the perspective of our Association, I am concerned about your attempt to intimidate your own members into not taking part. You do this in two ways. First, you claim that you will de-licence any member who takes part in the fight. This is unlawful and a breach of your own Rules. Secondly you seek to limit the insurance for boxers who are licensed by the BBBofC and would ordinarily have the benefit of insurance even if they fight under a different sanctioning body. This, in particular, is an extraordinary move for the BBBofC to seek to limit its own boxers’ insurance when they have paid license fees and taxes for the benefit of this insurance. I seek from you the confirmation of your insurers of their position – presumably you got this before issuing the press release and so can send it to me by return.

On behalf of our Association and the Federation, we require from you agreement that you will not seek to interfere with the fight and show. If this is not forthcoming by close of business on Friday 18th May 2012 then the following will happen:

The membership of the Professional Boxing Promoters Association will move for a vote of no-confidence in the Board; and
The Federation of Luxembourg will consult its lawyers to start proceedings for restraint of trade that is if these proceedings have not by then been brought by another individual or company in the meantime.

I look forward to hearing from you and if you wish to meet and discuss matters, do let me know.

Yours sincerely
Bruce Baker
Chairman
Professional Boxing Promoters Association
Representatives Federation Luxembourgeoise de Boxe

[Julia]

Did they take away Jane Couch's boxing or promoting licence??

[Darcy Delaney]

whats happening with scott dixson :??

[Syntax Error]

100% yes, it was not illegal and through public demand was selling like hot cakes, it had sweet fa to do with the WBC and the bbbc need to get with the times, if the public demand it and it's legal get over it ! If your not interested in the fight don't watch it. It couldn't get any more simple.
Haye and chisora had a brawl, so what ! It's not the first and it certainly won't be the last.

The WBC must be the most hypocritical organisation in boxing.

The same outfit installed Mike Tyson as number HW contender in 1995 upon his release from prison, when he hadn't thrown a paid punch in 4 years. After this, they happily sat back & sanctioned his challenge to Lennox Lewis in 2002, this despite the fact that he'd previously bitten a piece of Holyfield's ear off & bit a Lennox Lewis at the press conference for their bout.

This same organisation now bans Chisora for life!

Now, I'm not condoing what Chisora has done, as I actually believe that he is unstable & shouldn't be allowed in ANY boxing ring until he has undergone a thorough psychiatric evaluation, but for the WBC to ban him for life, yet sanction Tyson fights is truly laughable.

It just goes to show that if you can make a lot of money for the WBC, morality suddens goes way down their list of priorities.

[SimonTemplar]

I voted yes, it should be allowed to go ahead. For me the wheels came off this whole issue when the BBBoC delayed Chisora's appeal. If you are going to dole out a strange, imprecise punishment like suspension of license, you have to expect a prompt appeal. Had they honoured the original May appeal date, I do believe that Warren, Chisora and a few lawyers would simply have attended and this fight would not have been arranged at that point. But to bump the appeal by so much, and for such a weak reason - not enough officials available to hear it - effectively hands Chisora a pretty lengthy ban even if he is exonerated on appeal, as he will have had no license for so long by the time the appeal comes around, which flies in the face of the whole point of appeals.

The minute that justice appears ridiculous or unjust, people begine to ignore it and make up their own justice, history has shown us this. The Board caused the Chisora camp to lose faith in their process, so they sought alternative avenues, at which point the Board became a little irrelevant to it all. This has demonstrated that the Board - as other sports' governing bodies have - needs to update, think beyond the outdated concept of purely local jurisdictions and understand that modern boxing is a far more professional, fluid and complex proposition than it was a few years ago. If they do not, then we will have an increasing number of situations like this.

I was in favour of the Board imposing some form of sanction immediately after the German events, with a proper appeals process, and would have been against this fight being announced at that time. However, I started to lose faith when the board just withdrew the license rather than banning or suspending for a set period, and I finally gave up on the Board's position when they delayed the appeal when they basically could not get organized enough to convene an appeal within a proper period of time and missed their own announced date. That was deeply unprofessional and opened the situation up to the various parties conceiving a workaround.

I cannot believe that the Board had much more important to debate in May than this issue - two British fighters on mainstream Press around the world for largely negative reasons - so they lost my support when they did not take it seriously enough to hear the appeal in May.

So yes, I now think that this fight should go ahead, and expect to see more like it as more people realize that, these days, it is possible to adhere to EU rules to conduct business, whether that business be Boxing, F1, paying taxes, registering a business... the Board is out of date and got its response badly wrong - where was the professional advice? - and this is the inevitable result.

Just my thoughts, apologies to rant when I am only 30 posts or so in!

ST

[black panther]

I voted yes, it should be allowed to go ahead. For me the wheels came off this whole issue when the BBBoC delayed Chisora's appeal. If you are going to dole out a strange, imprecise punishment like suspension of license, you have to expect a prompt appeal. Had they honoured the original May appeal date, I do believe that Warren, Chisora and a few lawyers would simply have attended and this fight would not have been arranged at that point. But to bump the appeal by so much, and for such a weak reason - not enough officials available to hear it - effectively hands Chisora a pretty lengthy ban even if he is exonerated on appeal, as he will have had no license for so long by the time the appeal comes around, which flies in the face of the whole point of appeals.

The minute that justice appears ridiculous or unjust, people begine to ignore it and make up their own justice, history has shown us this. The Board caused the Chisora camp to lose faith in their process, so they sought alternative avenues, at which point the Board became a little irrelevant to it all. This has demonstrated that the Board - as other sports' governing bodies have - needs to update, think beyond the outdated concept of purely local jurisdictions and understand that modern boxing is a far more professional, fluid and complex proposition than it was a few years ago. If they do not, then we will have an increasing number of situations like this.

I was in favour of the Board imposing some form of sanction immediately after the German events, with a proper appeals process, and would have been against this fight being announced at that time. However, I started to lose faith when the board just withdrew the license rather than banning or suspending for a set period, and I finally gave up on the Board's position when they delayed the appeal when they basically could not get organized enough to convene an appeal within a proper period of time and missed their own announced date. That was deeply unprofessional and opened the situation up to the various parties conceiving a workaround.

I cannot believe that the Board had much more important to debate in May than this issue - two British fighters on mainstream Press around the world for largely negative reasons - so they lost my support when they did not take it seriously enough to hear the appeal in May.

So yes, I now think that this fight should go ahead, and expect to see more like it as more people realize that, these days, it is possible to adhere to EU rules to conduct business, whether that business be Boxing, F1, paying taxes, registering a business... the Board is out of date and got its response badly wrong - where was the professional advice? - and this is the inevitable result.

Just my thoughts, apologies to rant when I am only 30 posts or so in!

ST

Good post.


The guys don't like each other and are settling their differences in the ring rather than in the street. Let them fight!