BoxRec

WBA WORLD TITLE & WBO WORLD TITLE & LONSDALE SIMRING TITLE
JDC VS SOCKDOLAGER
ROBERTO DURAN VS JOE LOUIS
RESULT: JOE LOUIS TKO 11

WBC WORLD TITLE
CREASE VS TECHNO89
ROCKY MARCIANO VS SUGAR RAY ROBINS0N
RESULT: SUGAR RAY ROBINSON UD

IBF WORLD TITLE
DEADENDGENERATION VS DETROITHXC
BEENY LEONARD VS EDER JOFRE
RESULT: BENNY LEONARD SD

IBO TITLE FIGHT
FIST OF LEGEND VS JDC
ARCHIE MOORE VS SALVADOR SANCHEZ
RESULT: SALVADOR SANCHEZ UD

WTF TITLE FIGHT
DANREWS010 VS P4P1
NASEEM HAMED VS WILFREDO GOMEZ
RESULT: WILFREDO GOMEZ UD

DANDREWS010 VS THE END
THOMAS HEARNS VS FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR
RESULT: THOMAS HEARNS TKO 11

HOMICIDEHENRY VS DETROITHXC
BILLY CONN VS GENE TUNNEY
RESULT: MAJORITY DRAW

HOMICIDEHENRY VS TECHNO89
MARCEL CERDAN VS KID GAVILAN
RESULT: KID GAVILAN SD

SOCKDOLAGER VS TZYUFOREVER
JOE GANS VS LARRY HOLMES
RESULT: JOE GANS UD

JBACCA VS TZYUFOREVER
ALEXIS ARGUELLO VS KOSTYA TSZYU
RESULT: ALEXIS ARGUELLO TKO 8

DEADENDGENERATION VS FIST OF LEGEND
WILLIE PEP VS MARVIN HAGLER
RESULT: WILLIE PEP UD

KEVO VS ARMAGETO
HARRY GREB VS JIMMY WILDE
RESULT: JIMMY WILDE MD

ARMAGETO VS BIGJUICYHOG
SUGAR RAY LEONARD VS RICARDO LOPEZ
RESULT: SUGAR RAY LEONARD MD

BENGULNACI1 VS DENO1986
HENRY ARMSTRONG VS MUHAMMAD ALI
RESULT: MUHAMMAD ALI TKO 10

P4P1 VS BENGULNACI1
EZZARD CHARLES VS PERNELL WHITAKER
RESULT: EZZARD CHARLES TKO 5

SWEET P VS BOXBUZZ
MICHAEL SPINKS VS JOE FRAZIER
RESULT: JOE FRAZIER TKO 12

SWEET P VS BOXBUZZ
JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ VS DUILIO LOI
RESULT: JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ KO 12

BIGJUICYHOG VS THE END
STANLEY KETCHEL VS ROY JONES JR
RESULT: STANLEY KETCHEL TKO 7

JBACCA VS ADAMJ1987
JACK DEMPSEY VS PETER JACKS0N
RESULT: PETER JACKSON TKO 1

CREASE
KID CHOCOLATE VS DARREN CORBETT
RESULT: KID CHOCOLATE KO 5

KEVO
MIKE TYSON VS JAMES "BUSTER" DOUGLAS
RESULT: MIKE TYSON KO 7

DENO1986
ABE ATTELL VS ANTONIO CERVANTES
RESULT: ABE ATTELL TKO 5

ADAMJ1987
PANCHO VILLA VS SAM LANGFORD
RESULT: PANCHO VILLA KO 10

I will update the rankings in a few hours... I ned to log off here, there's been a bit of bother with my missus's family.

No worries chief, take your time

I've just noticed that Joe Louis will recieve a MASSIVE point boost...

5 pts for winning the WBA Title
4 pts for retaining the WBO Title
5 pts for winning the Lonsdale Belt.

The good "Joe's" of simboxing don't care about all that bling. Joe Louis probably just looks for the best fights...as does a fella like say Joe Frazier.

Never mess with a genuine bonafide Palooka.

Crease wrote:I've just noticed that Joe Louis will recieve a MASSIVE point boost...

5 pts for winning the WBA Title
4 pts for retaining the WBO Title
5 pts for winning the Lonsdale Belt.

Any extra for the KO? 8)

sockdolager wrote:Any extra for the KO? 8)

Don't get greedy.

Hey Crease...a draw with James is better than a win over Darren.......

BoxBuzz wrote:Hey Crease...a draw with James is better than a win over Darren.......

Maybe I'll put it in the Kid's record... But my stable did not ask for that fight.

Crease wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Hey Crease...a draw with James is better than a win over Darren.......

Maybe I'll put it in the Kid's record... But my stable did not ask for that fight.

Let me tell you somethin' here and now, Shit happens......it's how many of us "arrived".


I'd say the Kid arrived by holding Corbett to a draw.

You know creapse (may I call you creapse?) YOU always take the easy fights, talk the big talk, make much adu over nothing, and then whine complain and whimper.....(especially so when a GBP fighter beats the pee waddly poo out of your lousy excuse for a stable.....as they inevitably ALWAYS do.) I had thought that having a commission position would begin to bring the best out of you....but Darren Corbett? He's nothin' but a Zellenoff with unstuffed gloves.

Why don't you just take candy from babies...and get it over with?

Or perhaps Rick Roll a granny?

You sir, need to step it up, and strive to bring a shine and luster back those so fortunate as to be entrusted with commish responsibility. I've got a mind to instruct my stable to decimate both of your fighters in week 17. Why? Simply because I can. Joe would smoke the Rock, and Loi would feast on Chocolate.

You know it, I know it, and Ed Khil (may god rest his soul) knows it.

Trolololo.......Ha Ha ha ha!

Enjoy your meal, Crease, because you just got served.

BoxBuzz wrote:YOU always take the easy fights, talk the big talk,

Crease wrote:Week 13: W TKO 13 vs Sugar Ray Robinson - WBC Title
Week 14: W SD vs Muhammad Ali - WBC Title
Week 15: vs Sugar Ray Robinson - WBC Title

Read it and weep, old man.

Us weep?

It's your fighters who will find themselves on the next box of Wheepies Cereal....not ours.

Point could be the first time I have had two decent wins in one week

I am reading and weeping.

2 losses, both on injury. The Pea was outclassing Charles until a cut eye gives Charles the win and while Armstrong was behind to Ali, its was by one point in 2 cards and again injury blunts his inevitable win.

Too late to consider swapping someone around, Comish?

You may swap.....however under Crease's rules, new fighters have little chance of excelling over the season. Better to feed your fighter some weak opposition and "pad" his record, and get back toward the top.

New starts are pretty much doomed from the gitgo.

However, I will be posting the Title Bout ratings soon, just to bring some context to the discussion.

Point taken, Commish.

DetroitHxC wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:You may swap.....however under Crease's rules, new fighters have little chance of excelling over the season. Better to feed your fighter some weak opposition and "pad" his record, and get back toward the top.

New starts are pretty much doomed from the gitgo.

However, I will be posting the Title Bout ratings soon, just to bring some context to the discussion.

Another reason I don't like the new ranking system.

In the past, people could jump in at any time and make a name for themself. Now, it's pretty tough to make any significant movement once the season is a few weeks in.

Yep, 14 points for 1 win is ridiculous as well. I'm all for multi-title fights offering a point or 2 more, but more than 3 times the number for a title defence?

Deadendgeneration wrote:

DetroitHxC wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:You may swap.....however under Crease's rules, new fighters have little chance of excelling over the season. Better to feed your fighter some weak opposition and "pad" his record, and get back toward the top.

New starts are pretty much doomed from the gitgo.

However, I will be posting the Title Bout ratings soon, just to bring some context to the discussion.

Another reason I don't like the new ranking system.

In the past, people could jump in at any time and make a name for themself. Now, it's pretty tough to make any significant movement once the season is a few weeks in.

Yep, 14 points for 1 win is ridiculous as well. I'm all for multi-title fights offering a point or 2 more, but more than 3 times the number for a title defence?

Yeah, ain't really working out IMO. TB rankings are the way to go.

DetroitHxC wrote:

kevo wrote: Yeah, ain't really working out IMO. TB rankings are the way to go.

The problem is that Buzz has all the fighter's records wrong and that will severely impact things.

Bugger.

BoxBuzz wrote:I've got a mind to instruct my stable to decimate both of your fighters in week 17. Why? Simply because I can. Joe would smoke the Rock, and Loi would feast on Chocolate.

Do it then, Buzz... STEP UP!

Make Marciano vs Frazier &
Chocolate vs Loi

You herbey have my permission.

kevo wrote:

DetroitHxC wrote:

kevo wrote: Yeah, ain't really working out IMO. TB rankings are the way to go.

The problem is that Buzz has all the fighter's records wrong and that will severely impact things.

Bugger.

Detroit, it's only around 5 fights for the Heavies...and some exhibtions that are additional.....when I publish them, we can fetter out the problems, but I doubt they are that all that bad when combined with the 17 actual fights...(The Heavies are the ones who get the advantage, and maybe crease could recognize and "cancel" that advantage if a fighter has a shorter career, it does not discriminate terribly. And that could be a plus for those who are "swapping out". (It does NOT give an advantage, but it does NOT appear to give a great disadvanatage either...it's very neutral in terms of "how many fights". This does NOT mean it would place a fighter at the top, who had only one winning fight....but would also not put a fighter in the basement for a single loss. It would depend on WHO the wins and losses were against. It's a pretty complex algorhythm.


Maybe worth a look at least....after fight 17. Maybe Crease could "factor" it in, with some of his magical "subjective" reasoning. At this point it's creases call, so he may elect to continue down the ol' "one for you, one & two for me......two for you......one, two, & three, for me system.


Just kidding crease, but the TBII ratings could maybe be utilized by you in some way.

BoxBuzz wrote:You may swap.....however under Crease's rules, new fighters have little chance of excelling over the season. Better to feed your fighter some weak opposition and "pad" his record, and get back toward the top.

Which is very much like real life. After a top boxer loses, usually he will pick a B class opponent to get back to winning ways.

BoxBuzz wrote:New starts are pretty much doomed from the gitgo.

I think that's a veyr unfair statement to make. "New starts" as you call them, are immediately elliigible to fight for the IBO and WTF titles. Not to mention that ALL sub 15 fighters have three Prizefighter tournaments top cater for their needs.

It's not the doom and gloom that you make it out to be, Buzz.

DetroitHxC wrote:In the past, people could jump in at any time and make a name for themself. Now, it's pretty tough to make any significant movement once the season is a few weeks in.

You made your feelings on the points system crystal clear before Mr Detroit. I can see now that you plan to throw your support behind any perceived opposition to the points system.

In it's defence, it is objective and impartial... and the points system is the same for all of us.

Deadendgeneration wrote:Yep, 14 points for 1 win is ridiculous as well. I'm all for multi-title fights offering a point or 2 more, but more than 3 times the number for a title defence?

I can understand why you are against that, seeing as Louis usurped your fighter's (Benny Leonard) position at the top of the tree. But what would you suggest?
Howabout no more than 10 points for a unifying win?

And after all this was a big money fight, so in the name of consistency it would be a big point fight.


Please get back to me on this and any ideas you may have for a rankings structure.
And I'll leave you with this thought: It's easy to criticise, it's hard to organise.