Hector "Macho" Camacho

[HomicideHenry]

I won't say goodbye just yet, he's on life support and it will take the hand of Jesus to bring him out of it, but I think we should (collectively as fans) talk retrospectively on this great fighter's career. I only recall the later years, having watched him fight Sugar Ray Leonard, but let's remember him in our thoughts, prayers to Jesus, and recount our memories.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I wouldn't call him great, very good fighter who would have been a handful for most anyone at 130. We found out past his time what an amazing chin he possessed. If Edwin and drugs didn't mess with him he might have been great.

Best performance was against Limon or Boza Edwards to me.

[The 1bangkid]

I wouldn't call him great, very good fighter who would have been a handful for most anyone at 130. We found out past his time what an amazing chin he possessed. If Edwin and drugs didn't mess with him he might have been great.

Best performance was against Limon or Boza Edwards to me.

Your right he could have been great watched alot of his old fights today on you tube...............Fun to watch and a good personality Macho is a legend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsUGqaa3dzQ

[wvboxer]

I would call him a great talent! One of the most gifted boxers I ever watched when he was on his game. Didn't get the most out of his talent though.

All that really doesn't matter much now though. God be with you Hector.

[Rover]

I wouldn't call him great, very good fighter who would have been a handful for most anyone at 130. We found out past his time what an amazing chin he possessed. If Edwin and drugs didn't mess with him he might have been great.

Best performance was against Limon or Boza Edwards to me.

I'd probably say Ramirez.

[Esquire]

I never liked him but I would call him great. By the time he fought the bigger names like Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya, he was already toast.

Watch his fight against Limon at 130, and his fight against Ramirez at 135 and tell me you would bet your life against him with any of your chosen historical opponents.

Love him or hate him, Camacho was a baller that could beat any man from any time period if he was at his best. Lightning fast southpaws that could punch a bit and and had great chins are rare. The prick could hang with anyone all time with his skills.

Never liked him, but sometimes it's just best to die with dignity. RIP.

[ThePhillyShell]

I would call him a great talent! One of the most gifted boxers I ever watched when he was on his game. Didn't get the most out of his talent though.

All that really doesn't matter much now though. God be with you Hector.

[ldlamb]

We can argue great or good. But he was prolific and he wound up in the ring with a lot of big names. I'll just post what I put on the other board.

I was a huge Camacho fan in the 80's and 90's.
It is partially a product of the times and certainly not everyone was in their primes, but in an era where we complain (rightfully so) about how difficult it is to get two big name fighters in the ring, look at the names on his resume

Bazooka Limon
Jose Luis Ramirez
Edwin Rosario
Cornelius Boza Edwards
Howard Davis
Ray Mancini
Vinny Pazienza
Greg Haugen
Julio Cesar Chavez
Felix Trinidad
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Oscar DeLaHoya

Then throw in lesser names that were still decent contenders, that fans from that era recognize
Refugio Rojas
Greg Coverson
Rafael Solis
Freddie Roach
Reyes Cruz
Tony Balthazar
Todd Foster

During the era where he would be considered a championship level fighter ( or contender at least) from Limon to DeLaHoya
he fought 47 times.
I know his career had some flaws, but it was a fun one.

[Bricks]

A great talent and trailblazer...Naseem Hamed blatantly ripped off his look and act, hamed was actually a sanitised non street imposter tryna copy Camachos bad boy act.
Its funny how Hamed has never admitted the huge huge impact Camachos visit to England in 1987 as a young 24-25 year old in the prime of his life had on Naseem.

Great talent....coulda shoulda been a great fighter , but will go down as a very good one.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I never liked him but I would call him great. By the time he fought the bigger names like Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya, he was already toast.

Watch his fight against Limon at 130, and his fight against Ramirez at 135 and tell me you would bet your life against him with any of your chosen historical opponents.

Love him or hate him, Camacho was a baller that could beat any man from any time period if he was at his best. Lightning fast southpaws that could punch a bit and and had great chins are rare. The prick could hang with anyone all time with his skills.

Never liked him, but sometimes it's just best to die with dignity. RIP.

There are dozens of opponents I'd bet everything I have against Camacho at Lightweight. Not as many at 130, but Floyd would dissect him like a frog.

[Ezzard]

I never liked him but I would call him great. By the time he fought the bigger names like Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya, he was already toast.

Watch his fight against Limon at 130, and his fight against Ramirez at 135 and tell me you would bet your life against him with any of your chosen historical opponents.

Love him or hate him, Camacho was a baller that could beat any man from any time period if he was at his best. Lightning fast southpaws that could punch a bit and and had great chins are rare. The prick could hang with anyone all time with his skills.

Never liked him, but sometimes it's just best to die with dignity. RIP.

There are dozens of opponents I'd bet everything I have against Camacho at Lightweight. Not as many at 130, but Floyd would dissect him like a frog.

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

[elmersalsa]

I cannot believe what I just read about Hector "Macho" Camacho. He got shot in the face and now he is on life support. I hope he survives. Like him or not, he was a terrific boxer, a complete boxer that could have been a great boxer if taken the sport seriously. I guess once he started collecting big paydays after the Edwin "Chapo" Rosario fight, he was never the same fighter after that.

I think one his greatest performances was when he decisioned Jose Luis Ramirez of Mexico. It was Camacho's second world title win. He totally dominated Ramirez. Still, without the serious training and drive, he is one of Puerto Rico's greatest fighters ever.

Hold on champ, hold on :( :( :(

[HomicideHenry]

FoxNews says the family is going to give him two more days on life support, if he doesn't show any signs of brain activity by that time they will let him off life support. Jesus bless Hector and his family, this has to be the hardest decision any family could ever make.

[Rover]

I never liked him but I would call him great. By the time he fought the bigger names like Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya, he was already toast.

Watch his fight against Limon at 130, and his fight against Ramirez at 135 and tell me you would bet your life against him with any of your chosen historical opponents.

Love him or hate him, Camacho was a baller that could beat any man from any time period if he was at his best. Lightning fast southpaws that could punch a bit and and had great chins are rare. The prick could hang with anyone all time with his skills.

Never liked him, but sometimes it's just best to die with dignity. RIP.

There are dozens of opponents I'd bet everything I have against Camacho at Lightweight. Not as many at 130, but Floyd would dissect him like a frog.

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

That was at welter, though.

[IKSRTFO]

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

That was at welter, though.[/quote][/quote]


And Camacho was much faster and a better boxer than Judah. And had a better chin than Judah who started to run from Floyd. Camacho didn't have to be as wary of Floyd punches. Still Mayweather UD but a harder one than people think. Floyd's never fought anyone with the same combination of skill, speed and chin. Even the version of Shane Floyd fought was much more slower. Mayweather still beats Camacho but he ain't stopping him or even walking him down. Even today at 147-154, Floyd don't have the firepower that the guys like younger Oscar and Trinidad had and they couldn't stop him even when they tried to step it up.

[Rover]

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

That was at welter, though.

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And Camacho was much faster and a better boxer than Judah. And had a better chin than Judah who started to run from Floyd. Camacho didn't have to be as wary of Floyd punches. Still Mayweather UD but a harder one than people think. Floyd's never fought anyone with the same combination of skill, speed and chin. Even the version of Shane Floyd fought was much more slower. Mayweather still beats Camacho but he ain't stopping him or even walking him down. Even today at 147-154, Floyd don't have the firepower that the guys like younger Oscar and Trinidad had and they couldn't stop him even when they tried to step it up.[/quote]Who said Floyd'd stop him?
And we aren't talking 147-54; we're talking 130.

[fatcity69]

Even Delahoya didnt dissect a totally past it Comacho at 147 so I dont see anyone doing that to him when he was in his prime at 130-135. Much as I like Floyd Mayweather I think Comacho had just the speed and power plus chin to give him all sorts of trouble at 135. The only way for someone to beat Mayweather especially at 135 is to be able to at least match him for speed and Comacho would have done that.... I would still lean towards Mayweather getting a decision but it would be close... Comacho was a class above Zab Judah. Now I hope he can pull off some kind of miracle comeback and survive this terrible incident, keep Fighting Macho man!.

[IKSRTFO]

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

That was at welter, though.

And Camacho was much faster and a better boxer than Judah. And had a better chin than Judah who started to run from Floyd. Camacho didn't have to be as wary of Floyd punches. Still Mayweather UD but a harder one than people think. Floyd's never fought anyone with the same combination of skill, speed and chin. Even the version of Shane Floyd fought was much more slower. Mayweather still beats Camacho but he ain't stopping him or even walking him down. Even today at 147-154, Floyd don't have the firepower that the guys like younger Oscar and Trinidad had and they couldn't stop him even when they tried to step it up.[/quote]Who said Floyd'd stop him?
And we aren't talking 147-54; we're talking 130.[/quote]


At 130, it gets harder for Floyd. Floyd's best win at 130 is Corrales. Now Corrales wasn't a pushover but comparing him to Camacho at 130-135, he's a few notches below. Corrales like Gatti is severly overrated due to his level of excitement and his fights with Castillo, a B fighter at best who Floyd should've beaten with no trouble. Camcho didn't win many titles but this is in the 80s where there were fewer belts and you had to beat the man for the belt. Camacho around that weight did have power and he's pretty much undefeated at 130-135. I think he peaked at 135 but his resume at 140 isn't bad.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I never liked him but I would call him great. By the time he fought the bigger names like Chavez, Trinidad and De La Hoya, he was already toast.

Watch his fight against Limon at 130, and his fight against Ramirez at 135 and tell me you would bet your life against him with any of your chosen historical opponents.

Love him or hate him, Camacho was a baller that could beat any man from any time period if he was at his best. Lightning fast southpaws that could punch a bit and and had great chins are rare. The prick could hang with anyone all time with his skills.

Never liked him, but sometimes it's just best to die with dignity. RIP.

There are dozens of opponents I'd bet everything I have against Camacho at Lightweight. Not as many at 130, but Floyd would dissect him like a frog.

I'm not so sure, Saad. I'd bet on Mayweather for sure. But speed is the one thing he doesn't like. He struggled with Judah... and Camacho was better than him. I know that argument has been used before but it's a fair one...

The Judah fight was what? 8-4 in rounds (from memory). I think Camacho does better than that.

The Judah fight was at Welterweight, Floyd never struggled with anyone at 130. He wouldn't struggle with Hector either.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Even Delahoya didnt dissect a totally past it Comacho at 147 so I dont see anyone doing that to him when he was in his prime at 130-135. Much as I like Floyd Mayweather I think Comacho had just the speed and power plus chin to give him all sorts of trouble at 135. The only way for someone to beat Mayweather especially at 135 is to be able to at least match him for speed and Comacho would have done that.... I would still lean towards Mayweather getting a decision but it would be close... Comacho was a class above Zab Judah. Now I hope he can pull off some kind of miracle comeback and survive this terrible incident, keep Fighting Macho man!.

Delahoya beat the dog shit out of Camacho. That was much worse than what I meant by dissect. So as not to quote another thread, Castillo > Camacho.

[Rover]

At 130, it gets harder for Floyd. Floyd's best win at 130 is Corrales. Now Corrales wasn't a pushover but comparing him to Camacho at 130-135, he's a few notches below. Corrales like Gatti is severly overrated due to his level of excitement and his fights with Castillo, a B fighter at best who Floyd should've beaten with no trouble. Camcho didn't win many titles but this is in the 80s where there were fewer belts and you had to beat the man for the belt. Camacho around that weight did have power and he's pretty much undefeated at 130-135. I think he peaked at 135 but his resume at 140 isn't bad.[/quote]
Who's Camacho's best win at 130?
Limon?
I'd take Corrales.
I'd also take Chicanito Hernandez over Limon.
And Castillo was more than a B fighter.

[IKSRTFO]

Even Delahoya didnt dissect a totally past it Comacho at 147 so I dont see anyone doing that to him when he was in his prime at 130-135. Much as I like Floyd Mayweather I think Comacho had just the speed and power plus chin to give him all sorts of trouble at 135. The only way for someone to beat Mayweather especially at 135 is to be able to at least match him for speed and Comacho would have done that.... I would still lean towards Mayweather getting a decision but it would be close... Comacho was a class above Zab Judah. Now I hope he can pull off some kind of miracle comeback and survive this terrible incident, keep Fighting Macho man!.

Delahoya beat the dog shit out of Camacho. That was much worse than what I meant by dissect. So as not to quote another thread, Castillo > Camacho.

1. Camacho even in his past prime never would've quit. At age 50 he never quit in a fight like Castillo did.

2. Ricky Hatton never would've KO'd even a past prime Camacho

3. The Chavez, DLH, and Trinidad that Camacho lost to would've beaten the 135lb Castillo that Floyd had trouble with ease. Trinidad and DLH would've KO'd Castillo

4. Prime Hatton, who is around the same size would've been KO'd by Trinidad and DLH.


Camacho>>>>> Castillo. Castillo was a lightweight champ in a weak time at 135 hence, why Floyd picked up his titles and moved up to 140 right after. Camacho fought in two eras that were both tough.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Even Delahoya didnt dissect a totally past it Comacho at 147 so I dont see anyone doing that to him when he was in his prime at 130-135. Much as I like Floyd Mayweather I think Comacho had just the speed and power plus chin to give him all sorts of trouble at 135. The only way for someone to beat Mayweather especially at 135 is to be able to at least match him for speed and Comacho would have done that.... I would still lean towards Mayweather getting a decision but it would be close... Comacho was a class above Zab Judah. Now I hope he can pull off some kind of miracle comeback and survive this terrible incident, keep Fighting Macho man!.

Delahoya beat the dog shit out of Camacho. That was much worse than what I meant by dissect. So as not to quote another thread, Castillo > Camacho.

1. Camacho even in his past prime never would've quit. At age 50 he never quit in a fight like Castillo did.

2. Ricky Hatton never would've KO'd even a past prime Camacho

3. The Chavez, DLH, and Trinidad that Camacho lost to would've beaten the 135lb Castillo that Floyd had trouble with ease. Trinidad and DLH would've KO'd Castillo

4. Prime Hatton, who is around the same size would've been KO'd by Trinidad and DLH.


Camacho>>>>> Castillo. Castillo was a lightweight champ in a weak time at 135 hence, why Floyd picked up his titles and moved up to 140 right after. Camacho fought in two eras that were both tough.

All of your scenario's involve a post-prime Castillo. That's how you measure fighters?

Tommy Morrison never quit in a fight like Ali did against Larry Holmes.

A 147 pound Sugar ray leonard would be stopped by Michael Spinks!

Seriously, this post is a joke.

There was nothing weak about Castillo's era at Lightweight, that's what makes him greater than Camacho.

[Counter-puncher]

Camacho's comp at 130 and 135 combined don't compare with Castillo's at 135.

[IKSRTFO]

All of your scenario's involve a post-prime Castillo. That's how you measure fighters?

Tommy Morrison never quit in a fight like Ali did against Larry Holmes.

A 147 pound Sugar ray leonard would be stopped by Michael Spinks!

Seriously, this post is a joke.

There was nothing weak about Castillo's era at Lightweight, that's what makes him greater than Camacho.

[/quote]

I didn't even mention that Castillo been stopped on numerous occasions in his prime before even getting to Floyd. Castillo is overrated by those who want to see him as the great fighter that gave Floyd all he could handle. He was only a B fighter that gave Floyd all he could handle.