Boxers who were elite who lost elite status but were still..

NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE · Post by **NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE** » 18 Dec 2012, 18:13

competive.

Roberto Duran
Winky Wright
Name more.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 18 Dec 2012, 18:19

Morales

NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE · Post by **NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE** » 18 Dec 2012, 18:25

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Morales

good call. Was Foreman still considered elite as in high p4p status at the time of his comeback im only 23 to young to actually know?

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 18 Dec 2012, 18:30

He wasn't P4P, but he established himself as a top heavy. I almost mentioned Holmes, but he did the same thing.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 18 Dec 2012, 20:31

Floyd Patterson

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 18 Dec 2012, 20:40

Hopkins fits that category now I'd say. Still competitive in most every fight, even though I'd say he lost his elite talent a while ago. He's a very rare fighter to be able to compete as well as he does at his age.

NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE · Post by **NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE** » 18 Dec 2012, 21:22

gilgamesh wrote:Hopkins fits that category now I'd say. Still competitive in most every fight, even though I'd say he lost his elite talent a while ago. He's a very rare fighter to be able to compete as well as he does at his age.

Doesnt count hes still in the top of his weight not his fault its considered weak. Mayorga post six heads and Forrest should get a nod he had several high profile fights after losing his dangerous welterweight title.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 18 Dec 2012, 21:40

NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Hopkins fits that category now I'd say. Still competitive in most every fight, even though I'd say he lost his elite talent a while ago. He's a very rare fighter to be able to compete as well as he does at his age.
Doesnt count hes still in the top of his weight not his fault its considered weak. Mayorga post six heads and Forrest should get a nod he had several high profile fights after losing his dangerous welterweight title.

Fair enough, I'll have to give it some more thought then

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 18 Dec 2012, 21:44

Vic Darchinyan was at one time one of the elite Flyweights and Junior Bantamweights...still has remained competitive as a Bantamweight, but not elite.

funso banjo baby · Post by **funso banjo baby** » 19 Dec 2012, 05:19

Liston was still world class top ten up until 1970

RadioElRadar · Post by **RadioElRadar** » 19 Dec 2012, 05:50

Miguel Cotto did well to establish himself as one of the top guys at 154 after bad beatings by Margarito and Pacquiao in 2008-9.

A couple of comfortable wins and a creditably competitive showing against Mayweather put him back up there until Trout handled him pretty easily. He could probably hang with most Junior Middles for a little while yet if he chooses to, without ever being back among the elite.

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I guess you could say Tyson as well...

hurlock · Post by **hurlock** » 19 Dec 2012, 16:22

Marlon starlon geezer deserves his own thread.

Silly post really. Basically anyone one who loses is no longer elite???

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 19 Dec 2012, 16:46

Tim Witherspoon

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 19 Dec 2012, 17:13

hurlock wrote:Marlon starlon geezer deserves his own thread.

Silly post really. Basically anyone one who loses is no longer elite???

Shane Mosley is a another good example.

misterpunch · Post by **misterpunch** » 20 Dec 2012, 06:02

the obvious one is sugar ray...ray was THE elite fighter but was on the slide from 1950 and very slowly slipped out of competitive standard...12 years or so!

Bricks · Post by **Bricks** » 20 Dec 2012, 12:34

hurlock wrote:Marlon starlon geezer deserves his own thread.

Silly post really. Basically anyone one who loses is no longer elite???

Never ceases to amaze me how years of inbreeding continue to have an impact on your braincells

silly ccunt

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 20 Dec 2012, 14:53

Does James Toney count?

He gradually got fatter as he ate himself up to HW & although he wasn't an elite operator as such, he was still very competitive until fairly recently.

NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE · Post by **NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE** » 20 Dec 2012, 16:25

Toney is a nice shout. Glen Johnson?

misterpunch · Post by **misterpunch** » 20 Dec 2012, 17:49

toney? elite? glen johnson? elite? if so, my cat scrapes into the all time P4P listings

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 20 Dec 2012, 18:00

dr_devious wrote:Tim Witherspoon

Witherspoon was never an elite fighter IMO. In a world with only one world champion, he would never have been any more than a contender.

Holmes would have beaten him in a rematch, Tyson would have hurt him badly and Holyfield would have given him a sustained beating.

Even if you put my opinion to one side and base this just on the facts. Witherspoon was never #1 in the division and never anywhere near of the P4P top ten.

misterpunch · Post by **misterpunch** » 20 Dec 2012, 18:04

emile griffith

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Dec 2012, 18:05

misterpunch wrote:toney? elite? glen johnson? elite? if so, my cat scrapes into the all time P4P listings

Why is elite all time? That's a more current term, per division, as far as I'm concerned. Either way, Toney qualifies.

misterpunch · Post by **misterpunch** » 20 Dec 2012, 18:09

didnt say it was - i just mentioned my pussy's p4p credentials against that of james toney's elite ones. i dont think he makes it

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Dec 2012, 18:17

misterpunch wrote:didnt say it was - i just mentioned my pussy's p4p credentials against that of james toney's elite ones. i dont think he makes it

That doesn't make any sense, if you don't equate the term elite to all time status than Toney was elite during his career beyond debate.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 20 Dec 2012, 23:58

Definition Elite?....Toney is in, WAY in.

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