Buenos Aires - who is going?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Who will be flying out to see the Martin Murray fight? That is going to be
an awesome experience on fight night - you are going to have 50000 Argentinians
jumping to 'el no salta que Ingles' for 12 rounds, an electric atmosphere. Any questions
about Buenos Aires in general then drop them on here.

[chiggsy]

fornicate THAT

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

eff THAT

No? You would be missing out on a great place and friendly people though fight night
in the TBA stadium will be hairy.

NB: Martin Murray loved his short time in Buenos Aires and said he was treated really
well - no big surprise there.

[thatllbeme]

how much would prices for flights and hotel be? and how much does it cost to eat and drink?

[rhino222]

The Falkland Islands are English!!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Flights with Air France are pretty cheap - for a return you'll pay around 600-700 quid via Paris.
You can get a nice no frills hotel room for about 20-30 quid a night downtown.

A steak sandwich (with proper beef) chips, salad and a beer is about 2-3 quid. Your pound
goes a long way there. Loads of coffee shops, bars, steak places (called Parillas) nightclubs.

All in all - you could do it all for around 2 grand including flights, hotels, tickets, food and drink
and other fun stuff.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

The Falkland Islands are English!!

Now's your chance to go and tell them!

[The 1bangkid]

The Falkland Islands are English!!

Im English and the Falklands are Argentinian its modern day colonialism

[Old bones Ian]

I'm willing to go if someone wants to pay for me

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I'm willing to go if someone wants to pay for me

Two grand is a pretty good deal though for two to three weeks in South America, it will
be autumn down there in April and it will be beautiful weather.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

The Falkland Islands are English!!

Im English and the Falklands are Argentinian its modern day colonialism

I agree that the Falklands aren't and shouldn't be (and one day won't be) British but I have
changed my opinion that Argentina should have them. I think these days that the Falklanders,
who have lived there for 180 years should have their own independence and be allowed
to develop the place and become an integral part of the South American economic and
cultural community where - in my opinion - it will flourish.

Not that anyone will mention about the Falklands/Malvinas when you are there - when they
find out you are English, it will be like you have made their day. 'Ah ingles? My frieeeeeeend
I love the Rolling Stones/Oasis/Los Beatles/Michael Owen etc' it is a place where taxi drivers
round down the cab fare in your favour, where nightclub bouncers smile and wave you into
the club gently, where there are beautiful women everywhere and the smell of steak and pizza.

However, I will say that on fight night, it will be dodgy as fornicate and the very small minority who hate you for just breathing will be there in force (It looks like it is going to be held at the Velez Sarisfield stadium - Estadio José Amalfitani) It will be packed full of Malvinas veterans, Barras Bravas and many more dodgy unsavoury characters and if Murray beats Martinez - will make Minter- Hagler look like a chimps tea party, when you are at the fight - be careful and watch yourself.

The Argentinian nickname for the English is 'Pirata' as can be seen in the Argentinian version of 'The Sun' newspaper 'Cronica'

http://www.cronica.com.ar/buscador.php?q=pirata

Strangely enough. They haven't called Murray a 'Pirata' just 'los Ingles'

[The 1bangkid]

The Falkland Islands are English!!

Im English and the Falklands are Argentinian its modern day colonialism

I agree that the Falklands aren't and shouldn't be (and one day won't be) British but I have
changed my opinion that Argentina should have them. I think these days that the Falklanders,
who have lived there for 180 years should have their own independence and be allowed
to develop the place and become an integral part of the South American economic and
cultural community where - in my opinion - it will flourish.

Not that anyone will mention about the Falklands/Malvinas when you are there - when they
find out you are English, it will be like you have made their day. 'Ah ingles? My frieeeeeeend
I love the Rolling Stones/Oasis/Los Beatles/Michael Owen etc' it is a place where taxi drivers
round down the cab fare in your favour, where nightclub bouncers smile and wave you into
the club gently, where there are beautiful women everywhere and the smell of steak and pizza.

However, I will say that on fight night, it will be dodgy as eff and the very small minority who hate you for just breathing will be there in force (It looks like it is going to be held at the Velez Sarisfield stadium - Estadio José Amalfitani) It will be packed full of Malvinas veterans, Barras Bravas and many more dodgy unsavoury characters and if Murray beats Martinez - will make Minter- Hagler look like a chimps tea party, when you are at the fight - be careful and watch yourself.

The Argentinian nickname for the English is 'Pirata' as can be seen in the Argentinian version of 'The Sun' newspaper 'Cronica'

http://www.cronica.com.ar/buscador.php?q=pirata

Strangely enough. They haven't called Murray a 'Pirata' just 'los Ingles'

Finally someone who agrees with me on this issue.... Most people I talk to are blinded by the Falklands war or just dont no the history.

[Old bones Ian]

I'm willing to go if someone wants to pay for me

Two grand is a pretty good deal though for two to three weeks in South America, it will
be autumn down there in April and it will be beautiful weather.

I would love to go to Argentina anyway, looks a great country. But the fact is i don't have £2 never mind 2 grand

[Wales]

Isnt there a vote on the falklands a few weeks before? Will tensions in the run upmto the fight not be charged?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Isnt there a vote on the falklands a few weeks before? Will tensions in the run upmto the fight not be charged?

Outside of the fight is going to be fine - in fact enjoyable. Argentinians tend to be very
respectful of Britain - a well known utterance is 'If the British had got here before the
Spanish we would be like Australia' the vast majority of people are not going to take
it out on anyone who is British whatever they think of the Falklands or that a referendum is taking place . It just isn't the way they roll.

At the fight - people need to be careful, the hard of thinking Argentinians who hate
the British (and these people do exist) will be there in force, all their christmases have
come at once that an Englishman will be fighting on their turf.

[iamasadlittleboy]

thank God it's Martinez and not Lazarte.

[dookus]

I think we should give the Falklands back the day the Argentinians hand their country back to the natives

[hurlock]

Argentina has sufferd a Great Depression & are on the up but has the highest kidnap rate in the world!!
Any divey there's only one football fan based idiot should be carefull!

[Dirk Kelly]

The Falklands debate is something I know little about. What's everyone's view?

What I've been told is that the Argies historically kick up a fuss every ten or twenty years and the uk quietly sends an armada down there to shut them up, the only time we didn't do this was when there was an election to be won - is that right or wrong???

The battle was fierce and intense often hand to hand combat, is that true?

I think like Gibraltar the Falklands is of strategic importance to the uk for the time, when, not if we start drialing for oil in Antarctica.

I've got an uncle inLaw who's high up in the navy who recogns we were not far off defeat in the last co conflict. Apprently we were one runway a d ship away from being beat. He sYs we have no capabilities to defend the Falklands anymore should they invade, including a ship like the QE2.

Personally Like having a pop at the Argies, some twat tried to have a go in the MGM last time I was in Vegas. I urged him to come ahead as he had weeks head start last time and we still kicked his ass....

[hurlock]

I think it was recently 30 years anniversary of the Falklands so any bravado & waving union jacks about there would prob make Belfast look like Disney land!

All this we beat them rubbish most wars boil down to finance not who the best soldiers are! They are both carrying out orders & got family's to provide for.

I don't do all the patriotic rubbish as most Brits show the country up & I take people as I find them not over a flag. I hate enough people who neighbour me!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Personally Like having a pop at the Argies, some twat tried to have a go in the MGM last time I was in Vegas. I urged him to come ahead as he had weeks head start last time and we still kicked his ass....

And the people who 'kicked their ass' live in daily torment with the 302nd British Falklands veteran
taking his own life just the other week.

Next time, you and the other Brit flag wavers can go down there and fight it out with like minded Argentinians.

This is a boxing match, not the battle of Goose Green.

May the best man win, I hope it is Murray but looking forward to a great fight with an
electric atmosphere.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I think it was recently 30 years anniversary of the Falklands so any bravado & waving union jacks about there would prob make Belfast look like Disney land!

All this we beat them rubbish most wars boil down to finance not who the best soldiers are! They are both carrying out orders & got family's to provide for.

I don't do all the patriotic rubbish as most Brits show the country up & I take people as I find them not over a flag. I hate enough people who neighbour me!

Good post Hurlock! It is not often I say that!

[Dirk Kelly]

Personally Like having a pop at the Argies, some twat tried to have a go in the MGM last time I was in Vegas. I urged him to come ahead as he had weeks head start last time and we still kicked his ass....

And the people who 'kicked their ass' live in daily torment with the 302nd British Falklands veteran
taking his own life just the other week.

Next time, you and the other Brit flag wavers can go down there and fight it out with like minded Argentinians.

This is a boxing match, not the battle of Goose Green.

May the best man win, I hope it is Murray but looking forward to a great fight with an
electric atmosphere.

Infairness you fanned the flames of nationalism with this thread and some of your posts. The way things are going without the Falklands we're going to be paying an exuberant amount for petrol. What will you say then?? When I worked for a the most profitble travel company I. The world the owner urged us to go see Alaska sooner rather than later as with the way oil prices are going its only a matter of time before they drill there and Antarctica.

On boxing we are due a win, he's beaten a hell of a lot of our fighters!!

Also think there is nothing wrong in a bit of pride in the fact we kicked some ass many years ago when they had a big head start.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Personally Like having a pop at the Argies, some twat tried to have a go in the MGM last time I was in Vegas. I urged him to come ahead as he had weeks head start last time and we still kicked his ass....

And the people who 'kicked their ass' live in daily torment with the 302nd British Falklands veteran
taking his own life just the other week.

Next time, you and the other Brit flag wavers can go down there and fight it out with like minded Argentinians.

This is a boxing match, not the battle of Goose Green.

May the best man win, I hope it is Murray but looking forward to a great fight with an
electric atmosphere.

Infairness you fanned the flames of nationalism with this thread and some of your posts. The way things are going without the Falklands we're going to be paying an exuberant amount for petrol. What will you say then?? When I worked for a the most profitble travel company I. The world the owner urged us to go see Alaska sooner rather than later as with the way oil prices are going its only a matter of time before they drill there and Antarctica.

On boxing we are due a win, he's beaten a hell of a lot of our fighters!!

Also think there is nothing wrong in a bit of pride in the fact we kicked some ass many years ago when they had a big head start.

I haven't fanned any flames of nationalism at all. Simply put - I am for an independent Falklands and that anyone who goes to Argentina will have a nice time. What I don't do is take credit (using we) for wars I didn't fight in as it is very disrespectful to the men who fought in the said wars and are suffering today - you are not suffering from any of the ailments affecting Falklands war veterans today so please refrain from using 'we'.

What will I say to more expensive petrol? I will say nothing, secondly, that is no reason to colonise places, it is very 19th century, you probably thought the invasion of Iraq was a good idea so you can get your hands on that cheap oil.

Why did you feel pride for this country beating a third world dictatorship and an army of conscripts, again - you never took part - or were you the drummer boy? (ref: Michael Douglas, Falling Down - 1992)

NB: Britain was right to fight the brutal fascist dictatorship who invaded the Falklands who during their reign of power threw innocent people out of planes into the Atlantic ocean. However, 19th century colonialism cannot last forever. Time to move on and let those people in the south atlantic have their freedom. Or else there will always be that threat from Argentina.

[rhino222]

As a soldier who served in the falklands (not in the war i might add) i feel that it should be down to the islanders as to who 'owns' them. personally i know they will vote britain, without question. the ancient history of the islands would suggest that they are agentinian. but the world is full of places with questionable history etc... Northern Cyprus being another one (i was born and married in cyprus).