native american indian boxers ?

[johnnykayo]

anybody know what native indians were successful professional boxers ? i know carlos palamino was one,greg haugen another as he was native on his mothers side. jay silverheels,the actor (played tonto) was a good amateur and golden gloves champion but cant think of many,would aprreciate any answers.

[NazNaci1]

Depends on how you measure 'success'. Joe Hip was a good pro, who mixd in fringe world class. Ditto Joe Mesi. Isn't our resident nice guy boxer Chauncey, native American (though I could be wrong on that).

[Ric]

Here's a (incomplete) list of Native American boxers.

[johnnykayo]

Here's a (incomplete) list of Native American boxers.

thanx ric,just looked and didnt realised their was so many

[Seamus]

James Pipps and Paul Banke.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're destined to be a fighter with a name like Johnny Fagg.

[MEISINGER]

You're destined to be a fighter with a name like Johnny Fagg.

or an anal pin cushion.

lucky for him in the early 20th century fagg was only a cigarette butt

now a days that poor bastard would of been beaten just for fun

[zurdo]

Virgil Hill, recent HOF inductee might be one of the most sucessfull Native American boxers ever....But he's not on the list.

[thunderfromdownunder]

How do you define native, shouldn't it be at least half? I would bet some of those guys are like 1/16th

[Brutu]

Im not an anthropologist,but Chris Areola definately looks more Native American then not to me.
He could have gotten an acting role in APOCALYPTO.

[JC]

Depends on how you measure 'success'. Joe Hip was a good pro, who mixd in fringe world class. Ditto Joe Mesi.

I though Joe Mesi was Italian American?

Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey both claimed to have native american blood.

[johnnykayo]

Depends on how you measure 'success'. Joe Hip was a good pro, who mixd in fringe world class. Ditto Joe Mesi.

I though Joe Mesi was Italian American?

Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey both claimed to have native american blood.

ditto cos always thought baby joe was italian origin,yea ive read that many times that dempsey and louis had native blood. also henry armstrong,could this dash of "warrior" blood give em that fighting spirit

[wsbuf]

Mesi half Italian and half Polish i believe.

[Brutu]

He was probably thinking of Tommy"The Duke"Morrison.

[JLP]

Are there any 100% pure Native Americans left? If there are, there can't be many. By 100% pure I mean those who have no ancestral link whatsoever with those who arrived on the continent from 1492 onwards.

[orbtastic]

I'm pretty sure Danny Lopez and his brother, Ernie, were part Ute Indian. Not sure just how much.

There's that great SI cover with him on.

[HomicideHenry]

There are but only 500,000 Native Americans left in the continental United States, and the majority of these are people who have the 1/32nd blood requirement. An actual bonafide 100% pure blooded Native American is either non-existant or is less than 1% of the 500,000. Being part Native American myself, I can say that with absolute authority having friends who live on the reservations.

[Ric]

Virgil Hill, recent HOF inductee might be one of the most sucessfull Native American boxers ever....But he's not on the list.

We'll add him to that category if you can provide a credible source. (With which Tribe is he affiliated?)

[thunderfromdownunder]

There are but only 500,000 Native Americans left in the continental United States, and the majority of these are people who have the 1/32nd blood requirement. An actual bonafide 100% pure blooded Native American is either non-existant or is less than 1% of the 500,000. Being part Native American myself, I can say that with absolute authority having friends who live on the reservations.

So f you have 1/32nd blood than you are classified as Indian? That's pushing it a bit

[Brutu]

Didn't HH just recently interview Marvin Camel on the radio?
He is part Flathead Salish Indian.

[Brutu]

Two of the "Great White Hopes"of the Jack Johnson era,
Carl Morris and Luther McCartey were partly of Native American ancestry(Cherokee).

[sucracristo]

Are there any 100% pure Native Americans left? If there are, there can't be many. By 100% pure I mean those who have no ancestral link whatsoever with those who arrived on the continent from 1492 onwards.

edit for jaywheel. here is the 1st and last sentence:
it makes it easier to define it that way because colombus arrived in the caribbean almost 500 years after
leif erikson arrived in canada...there really isn't any knowing who is who until you see all the documentation

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it makes it easier to define it that way because colombus arrived in the caribbean almost 500 years after
leif erikson arrived in canada and there were vikings further south down the east coast before and after
erikson. erikson intentionally went to what he called vinland because a guy name bjorn told him where it
was. if you think about it, native americans were supposed to have crossed the berring straight during the
ice ages when you could have walked across, but at that same time you could also have walked across
the ice from scandinavia-iceland-greenalnd, and there is euro dna in many native tribes that appears 100
generations before erikson. it's hard to say who EXACTLY has lived on this continent in ancient times, but
we know there were asians and euros going back as far as we can see. if you look at the carvings even in
the yucatan and western usa from way before colombus, they depict people with thick beards and white hair.
"natives" did not grow thick beards. where did those people with thick beards come from in the north american
ancient carvings and where did they go? did not mean to sidetrack the discussion, but if someone has any
pre-columbus blood and identifies themself as native american, that should be good enough. for example,
chuck norris says his father's mother and mother's grandfather were cherokee. the new us senator from
massachusetts, elizabth warren, claimed to be cherokee in order to get tenure at harvard, but cherokee
geneologist twila barnes traced all her ancestors going back to her euro roots and found not one native ancestor,
and many contradictions in warren's claims regarding certain relatives. warren signed a death certificate
for an "aunt bea" warren said told her about her native roots and there were different boxes to check on
the certificate, including one for native american, and warren checked "white". warren also said her parents had
to elope because her racist father's family wouldn't accept her mother's native family, when her parents
were married locally by a prominent minister and both families were present and gave full support with no
elopement. another relative warren said was native is referred to in a newspaper story as a white man who shot an
indian trying to steal his horse. other relatives she claimed were native actually were tennessee militia members
who oversaw the trail of tears. there was a colorado ethnic studies college professor, ward chuchill, walking
around with feathers in his hair who made a whole career out of being an indian fighting the white man who
turned out to have no native ancestry. he claimed he was keetowah cherokee and that group issued a press
release saying he had only been given HONORARY membership, because of assistance to the tribe, and he was
not in any way related to any of them. rocky mountain news then traced back to 142 direct ancestors and found
not one with an native american claim. i'm not even sure the famous wrastler Chief Jay Strongbow, who just
died this year RIP, was actually native. the heavywight jack sharkey was actually lithuanian who took on an
irish identity when he moved to boston and fought pro because boston was full of irish who supported irish boxers.
especially in showbiz and politics, where image is everything, there really isn't any knowing who is who until you
see all the documentation

[Jaywheel]

Wall of text.^^

[HomicideHenry]

Didn't HH just recently interview Marvin Camel on the radio?
He is part Flathead Salish Indian.

That I did

[HomicideHenry]

There are but only 500,000 Native Americans left in the continental United States, and the majority of these are people who have the 1/32nd blood requirement. An actual bonafide 100% pure blooded Native American is either non-existant or is less than 1% of the 500,000. Being part Native American myself, I can say that with absolute authority having friends who live on the reservations.

So f you have 1/32nd blood than you are classified as Indian? That's pushing it a bit

It's the truth. You have to have 1/32nd Indian blood or more to be considered a Native American on the rolls and receive benefits from the Federal Government.