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A mere middleweight....steps up to face the "greatest SUPER middleweight of ALL TIME".

Just stirrin' up some conversation here. Wonderin what the opinions might be.

I'd expect Calzaghe to take an early lead. But without ruffling or hurting Monzon. Carlos's long lazy right would follow the pecking left and slowly he'd peg it back. Monzon would trade at some point and his blows would take more out of Joe. The right hand might score a KD. I'd expect both men to be standing at the end. Monzon to win a close decision.

Ezzard wrote:I'd expect Calzaghe to take an early lead. But without ruffling or hurting Monzon. Carlos's long lazy right would follow the pecking left and slowly he'd peg it back. Monzon would trade at some point and his blows would take more out of Joe. The right hand might score a KD. I'd expect both men to be standing at the end. Monzon to win a close decision.

I think that's a good assessment for the most part, though I'd have Joe adapting a bit more and winning the close decision.

The idea of Joe Calzaghe beating Carlos Monzon.....well,..... it scandalizes this writer's intellect.

But I did ask for opinions. And I do honor diversity.

But it seems as odd as someone trying to convince me that the moon is somehow populated with primates.

Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

I'm not saying Monzon wouldn't win, but I've seen more than a few of my fellow Americans underrate Calzaghe, who in his prime was very fast southpaw, with a solid chin, boundless stamina and a hyper active work rate.

Ezzard wrote:I'd expect Calzaghe to take an early lead. But without ruffling or hurting Monzon. Carlos's long lazy right would follow the pecking left and slowly he'd peg it back. Monzon would trade at some point and his blows would take more out of Joe. The right hand might score a KD. I'd expect both men to be standing at the end. Monzon to win a close decision.

I concur.

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

The division wasn't around.

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

The division wasn't around.

If in doubt with point a Rover, there's still point b.

polecateddy wrote:

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

The division wasn't around.

If in doubt with point a Rover, there's still point b.

What doubt? It wasn't around.

Well then in your mind consider that actually Monzon at his peak operated at a lighter weight class than Calzaghe. It's not the biggest reason why Calzaghe would hand his ass to him, but it's another disadvantage.

polecateddy wrote:Well then in your mind consider that actually Monzon at his peak operated at a lighter weight class than Calzaghe. It's not the biggest reason why Calzaghe would hand his ass to him, but it's another disadvantage.

And if Calzaghe had fought in that era, that class wouldn't have existed.

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Well then in your mind consider that actually Monzon at his peak operated at a lighter weight class than Calzaghe. It's not the biggest reason why Calzaghe would hand his ass to him, but it's another disadvantage.

And if Calzaghe had fought in that era, that class wouldn't have existed.

Makes this thread pretty irrelevant then. I thought Monzon was coming up in time to challenge a peak Calzaghe.

polecateddy wrote:

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Well then in your mind consider that actually Monzon at his peak operated at a lighter weight class than Calzaghe. It's not the biggest reason why Calzaghe would hand his ass to him, but it's another disadvantage.

And if Calzaghe had fought in that era, that class wouldn't have existed.

Makes this thread pretty irrelevant then. I thought Monzon was coming up in time to challenge a peak Calzaghe.

You asked if Monzon fought a usuper middle. He couldn't have.
There was no cruiser division during Rocky's reign, either.

State the obvious Rover, keep stating the obvious! Lol

Joe slaps Monzon for a few rounds and gets over confiedent. Then Monzon KO's him. In Any division you like

bollox wrote:Joe slaps Monzon for a few rounds and gets over confiedent. Then Monzon KO's him. In Any division you like

Go home Yankie!

I never knew Monzon was a yank

You must to be so disrespectful to Joe Calzaghe.

Nah no disrespect to Joe, good fighter. I simply happen to think that Monzon half kills him in a fight. Now go home you Italian Taff

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

The division wasn't around.

Wouldn't it make more sense though to ask if he ever beat a light heavyweight, or hell, even a small heavy? Considering that Joe wasn't coming into the ring at the 168 limit, or even the 175 limit necessarily.

That influenced my earlier post, as well as the speed and output mentioned.

bollox wrote:Nah no disrespect to Joe, good fighter. I simply happen to think that Monzon half kills him in a fight. Now go home you Italian Taff

This.....even if it's not a KO win. Monzon was happy to fight, and I don't think he had a problem with beating someone for the entire distance. The way Monzon liked to fight, when he KO'd someone, it might just be a dissapointment to his way of thinking.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

The division wasn't around.

Wouldn't it make more sense though to ask if he ever beat a light heavyweight, or hell, even a small heavy? Considering that Joe wasn't coming into the ring at the 168 limit, or even the 175 limit necessarily.

That influenced my earlier post, as well as the speed and output mentioned.

Asking about light heavies is one thing, considering that division was around.

Still wittering on Rover?

polecateddy wrote:Did Monzon ever beat a) a super middle? Or b) anyone with Calzaghe's style and work rate? No, of course he didn't. Joe by clear decision.

Ran this past my dog, and we can't get a readin' on this statement.

Not sure if serious.