1972 - Ali's Greatest Year?

[evrenb]

I know Ali is a much talked about fighter on here at the moment but I would like to suggest that 1972 was his greatest year along with 1974.

I am going to include the Blin fight that took place on26th december 1971 to highlight the frequency he fought...so

Jeurgen Blin - 27-9-6 wKo 7 - germany
Mac Foster - 28-1. Wpts15. - Japan
George Chuvalo - 66-17-2. wpts12 canada
Jerry Quarry - 43-5-4. Wko7 vegas
Al Lewis - 27-3. Wko11 Ireland
Floyd Patterson - 55-7-1 - wtko8. New york
Bob Foster - 49-5-0. Wko8 nevada

Combined opponent records 295-47-13.

He fought all these guys within 11 months. What an amazing achievement..3 former heavyweight title challengers..an all time great light heavyweigh and an all time great heavyweight.. Mac foster and al lewis were very dangerous fighters also. Blin the weakest of the bunch. Ali was truly a global peoples champion...

Between the Frazier loss in 71 and the Norton loss of
73 Ali.had an amazing run....to think that within 73 and 74 he would defeat Norton in a tough rematch, beat Frazier relatively easy in 74 then defeat Foreman easily...if that isn't greatness I dont know what is..

[ThatOne]

I know Ali is a much talked about fighter on here at the moment but I would like to suggest that 1972 was his greatest year along with 1974.

I am going to include the Blin fight that took place on26th december 1971 to highlight the frequency he fought...so

Jeurgen Blin - 27-9-6 wKo 7 - germany
Mac Foster - 28-1. Wpts15. - Japan
George Chuvalo - 66-17-2. wpts12 canada
Jerry Quarry - 43-5-4. Wko7 vegas
Al Lewis - 27-3. Wko11 Ireland
Floyd Patterson - 55-7-1 - wtko8. New york
Bob Foster - 49-5-0. Wko8 nevada

Combined opponent records 295-47-13.



He fought all these guys within 11 months. What an amazing achievement..3 former heavyweight title challengers..an all time great light heavyweigh and an all time great heavyweight.. Mac foster and al lewis were very dangerous fighters also. Blin the weakest of the bunch. Ali was truly a global peoples champion...

Between the Frazier loss in 71 and the Norton loss of
73 Ali.had an amazing run....to think that within 73 and 74 he would defeat Norton in a tough rematch, beat Frazier relatively easy in 74 then defeat Foreman easily...if that isn't greatness I dont know what is..

[ThatOne]

I know Ali is a much talked about fighter on here at the moment but I would like to suggest that 1972 was his greatest year along with 1974.

I am going to include the Blin fight that took place on26th december 1971 to highlight the frequency he fought...so

Jeurgen Blin - 27-9-6 wKo 7 - germany
Mac Foster - 28-1. Wpts15. - Japan
George Chuvalo - 66-17-2. wpts12 canada
Jerry Quarry - 43-5-4. Wko7 vegas
Al Lewis - 27-3. Wko11 Ireland
Floyd Patterson - 55-7-1 - wtko8. New york
Bob Foster - 49-5-0. Wko8 nevada

Combined opponent records 295-47-13.

He fought all these guys within 11 months. What an amazing achievement..3 former heavyweight title challengers..an all time great light heavyweigh and an all time great heavyweight.. Mac foster and al lewis were very dangerous fighters also. Blin the weakest of the bunch. Ali was truly a global peoples champion...

Between the Frazier loss in 71 and the Norton loss of
73 Ali.had an amazing run....to think that within 73 and 74 he would defeat Norton in a tough rematch, beat Frazier relatively easy in 74 then defeat Foreman easily...if that isn't greatness I dont know what is..

And he was past his prime when he accomplished this...There is a lot of discussion about the pre and post exile Ali but the best people to judge were those fighters that fought him before and after the exile. I don't remember reading anything from Patterson on that matter but Chuvalo said he was a greatly diminished fighter...He said the post exile Ali did a lot more holding to buy rest in the ring.

[BoxBuzz]

I know Ali is a much talked about fighter on here at the moment but I would like to suggest that 1972 was his greatest year along with 1974.

I am going to include the Blin fight that took place on26th december 1971 to highlight the frequency he fought...so

Jeurgen Blin - 27-9-6 wKo 7 - germany
Mac Foster - 28-1. Wpts15. - Japan
George Chuvalo - 66-17-2. wpts12 canada
Jerry Quarry - 43-5-4. Wko7 vegas
Al Lewis - 27-3. Wko11 Ireland
Floyd Patterson - 55-7-1 - wtko8. New york
Bob Foster - 49-5-0. Wko8 nevada

Combined opponent records 295-47-13.

He fought all these guys within 11 months. What an amazing achievement..3 former heavyweight title challengers..an all time great light heavyweigh and an all time great heavyweight.. Mac foster and al lewis were very dangerous fighters also. Blin the weakest of the bunch. Ali was truly a global peoples champion...

Between the Frazier loss in 71 and the Norton loss of
73 Ali.had an amazing run....to think that within 73 and 74 he would defeat Norton in a tough rematch, beat Frazier relatively easy in 74 then defeat Foreman easily...if that isn't greatness I dont know what is..

Freeze Johnny.

Are you attempting to use logic, combined with sensibility, rational judgment and good observation skills?

Very risky method of assessment.

This makes it difficult for those with diverse opinions to gain traction and earn credibility.

Have you taken the time to consider that those wins may have been marred by "extraordinary, and unreported, nearly unknowable secret details"? Some of which we have yet to learn via the exclusive "kabala" sensory network of psychics we are attracting to our board? I get concerned that this sort of contribution could make such guests feel "uncomfortable".

And though YOU are saying all of this action took place in a remarkable time frame....Have you studied the calendars of that era enough to guarantee their accuracy?

Before you run roughshod with such reliable data, shouldn't we wait for our next "extra sensory report"?

I'm just sayin'.

[evrenb]

I know Ali is a much talked about fighter on here at the moment but I would like to suggest that 1972 was his greatest year along with 1974.

I am going to include the Blin fight that took place on26th december 1971 to highlight the frequency he fought...so

Jeurgen Blin - 27-9-6 wKo 7 - germany
Mac Foster - 28-1. Wpts15. - Japan
George Chuvalo - 66-17-2. wpts12 canada
Jerry Quarry - 43-5-4. Wko7 vegas
Al Lewis - 27-3. Wko11 Ireland
Floyd Patterson - 55-7-1 - wtko8. New york
Bob Foster - 49-5-0. Wko8 nevada

Combined opponent records 295-47-13.

He fought all these guys within 11 months. What an amazing achievement..3 former heavyweight title challengers..an all time great light heavyweigh and an all time great heavyweight.. Mac foster and al lewis were very dangerous fighters also. Blin the weakest of the bunch. Ali was truly a global peoples champion...

Between the Frazier loss in 71 and the Norton loss of
73 Ali.had an amazing run....to think that within 73 and 74 he would defeat Norton in a tough rematch, beat Frazier relatively easy in 74 then defeat Foreman easily...if that isn't greatness I dont know what is..

Freeze Johnny.

Are you attempting to use logic, combined with sensibility, rational judgment and good observation skills?

Very risky method of assessment.

This makes it difficult for those with diverse opinions to gain traction and earn credibility.

Have you taken the time to consider that those wins may have been marred by "extraordinary, and unreported, nearly unknowable secret details"? Some of which we have yet to learn via the exclusive "kabala" sensory network of psychics we are attracting to our board? I get concerned that this sort of contribution could make such guests feel "uncomfortable".

And though YOU are saying all of this action took place in a remarkable time frame....Have you studied the calendars of that era enough to guarantee their accuracy?

Before you run roughshod with such reliable data, shouldn't we wait for our next "extra sensory report"?

I'm just sayin'.

I hear you. I forgot this was a fact free zone lol.
Seriously, what a couple of years Ali had..amazing!

[elmersalsa]

It was a great year for the Greatest. One of the most remarkable years of a boxer. The 1978 award was hogwash. Either the greats Wilfredo Gomez or Roberto Duran should have won the award.

[Ambling Alp II]

His best was probably 1966.

1. 1966
2. 1965
3. 1967
4. 1974
5. 1972
6. 1975

I didn't count 1964 because he only had one fight.

[Robinson]

Il Duce,
It irks me when people raise something that happened in sparring.

You know there is a difference right ?

I have been paid as a sparring partner for some top tier fighters in
my sport and in kickboxing. What happens in sparring stays in the
gym it is PRACTICE ! It is where the fighter is working on specifics
and general areas and have other fighters spar them to either
test those specifics or to refine them.

I have had many 'wins' in sparring against top guys BUT these
are no victories because this is simply sparring.

In my own personal sparring leading up to a fight I may work
differing things or impose rules on my self ie I can only jab
this round or i have to land x left hooks etc etc during hard
sparring sessions. YOU will often be forced to take a knee
or even tap out but it is TRAINING ... SPARRING....PRACTICE/

I would expect it to be much the same for Ali or other top tier
boxers.

Here is another point....when you spar against your training partners
you very seldom 'go hard' against them...you need them...so you
take it easy on them which ACTUALLY at times gives the illusion
to ignorant outsiders that you are being bested....But when some
one ignorantly takes a segment out of totality and thinks it means
something they are only losing sight of the total picture.

Sparring is and has never been a fight. The only thing that matters
is what happens inside those ropes on fight night.

Re OP

I agree...that is a damned busy year against some top tier guys for
any prime athlete let alone one who is showing signs of slowing
up.

[BoxBuzz]

Il Duce,
It irks me when people raise something that happened in sparring.

You know there is a difference right ?


....when you spar against your training partners
you very seldom 'go hard' against them...you need them...so you
take it easy on them which ACTUALLY at times gives the illusion
to ignorant outsiders that you are being bested....But when some
one ignorantly takes a segment out of totality and thinks it means
something they are only losing sight of the total picture.

Sparring is and has never been a fight. The only thing that matters
is what happens inside those ropes on fight night.

THIS is about as true about THAT as it gets.

[evrenb]

His best was probably 1966.

1. 1966
2. 1965
3. 1967
4. 1974
5. 1972
6. 1975

I didn't count 1964 because he only had one fight.

Hi Ambling Alp

What is your reasoning for 1967...do you mean that was when he was at his best?
I reckoned on 1972 based on his performances.

evrenb

[Ambling Alp II]

Just watching his fights on film, he was certainly better in 1967 than he was in 1972. I was going by that. He only had two fights in 1967, so I suppose you could argue what he did in 1972 was more impressive.

[evrenb]

Just watching his fights on film, he was certainly better in 1967 than he was in 1972. I was going by that. He only had two fights in 1967, so I suppose you could argue what he did in 1972 was more impressive.

Oh yeahI 100% agree - Ali was on a different planet in 1967. The greatest Heavyweight there ever was. Only Jack Johnson and Tyson would have stood a chance.

1972 was his best year in as far as achievement.



Evren

[man]

there is only one remedy for posters who troll,
but do that smartly within the rules of the board:
ignore, otherwise you're just feeding them.

[man]

Il Duce,
It irks me when people raise something that happened in sparring.

You know there is a difference right ?

I have been paid as a sparring partner for some top tier fighters in
my sport and in kickboxing. What happens in sparring stays in the
gym it is PRACTICE ! It is where the fighter is working on specifics
and general areas and have other fighters spar them to either
test those specifics or to refine them.

I have had many 'wins' in sparring against top guys BUT these
are no victories because this is simply sparring.

In my own personal sparring leading up to a fight I may work
differing things or impose rules on my self ie I can only jab
this round or i have to land x left hooks etc etc during hard
sparring sessions. YOU will often be forced to take a knee
or even tap out but it is TRAINING ... SPARRING....PRACTICE/

I would expect it to be much the same for Ali or other top tier
boxers.

Here is another point....when you spar against your training partners
you very seldom 'go hard' against them...you need them...so you
take it easy on them which ACTUALLY at times gives the illusion
to ignorant outsiders that you are being bested....But when some
one ignorantly takes a segment out of totality and thinks it means
something they are only losing sight of the total picture.

Sparring is and has never been a fight. The only thing that matters
is what happens inside those ropes on fight night.

Re OP

I agree...that is a damned busy year against some top tier guys for
any prime athlete let alone one who is showing signs of slowing
up.

one of the best posts ever on the board. very
well done, sir.

[keithmoonhangover]

I always said Muhammad Ali was 'most' impressive against Al 'Blue' Lewis.

'Blue' Lewis wanted to send Muhammad flying across Ireland.

Mr. Lewis was a one-time Muhammad Ali sparring partner, and dropped Mr. Ali with
a body punch in one of their sparring sessions.

I'd love a pint of what you drink before you come and post on here. It's got to be laced with hallucinogenics, surely.

[keithmoonhangover]

I always said Muhammad Ali was 'most' impressive against Al 'Blue' Lewis.

'Blue' Lewis wanted to send Muhammad flying across Ireland.

Mr. Lewis was a one-time Muhammad Ali sparring partner, and dropped Mr. Ali with
a body punch in one of their sparring sessions.

I'd love a pint of what you drink before you come and post on here. It's got to be laced with hallucinogenics, surely.

It's a 'special brew'...........called Reality

Your reality is not based in the real world.

[evrenb]

Your reality is like a david lynch movie!!!

[Giancarlo]

Even David Icke reckons The Duchess is out of touch with reality.

[gilgamesh]

Even David Icke reckons The Duchess is out of touch with reality.

[evrenb]

Even David Icke reckons The Duchess is out of touch with reality.

Lol lol

[SamWise72]

Oh Yeah,,,,,,

Kenny Jones was a more 'consistent' Drummer than Keith Moon.

I saw them both play, before you were even born.

Take That........

I'm a more consistent drummer than Keith Moon, and I'm not even a drummer. Nobody hired that guy for keeping a perfect and steady beat.