Post LHW season discussion thread

[Crease]

And so with Hog's change of heart, the final curtain has finally closed on the Light Heavyweight season. This thread should prove a bit of a distraction while we await the completion of the draft process.

[Crease]

Langford has had an easier schedule than loughran, Charles , spinks or gibbons.

He has benefited immensely from the super 6 taking place.

It always happens though, doesn't it? Every season someone thrives whilst all the top guys are battling each other.

Back in the Heavyweight season it was Joe Frazier who went on a great winning run to become the Undisputed Champion at seasons end.

And in the real life Super Six - it could be said that Lucian Bute was the true victor, because he spent two years beating up on second rate contenders like Brian Magee, Jesse Brinkley and Jean Paul Mendy.

All this only indicates that you are a top fighter - when your not fighting the top six guys. And I'm sure that Hog would agree with you because the deal has turned out well for Fitzsimmons.

[Crease]

Mixed feelings for my guys. Tunney started well but never really hit the heights and lost key fights while moping up the rest (though the Durelle cuts loss was horrendous). Hovering around 5-10 most of the time, he didn't get as many shots at the titles as he probably should have, but as I say, key losses at key times cost us.

Choynski started off well, had a dip and then settled into a pattern of winning some, losing some. Always around the top 15-20, which was about right.

Tunney should have done a lot more but we live and learn.

It's why the Sim is so exciting, none of us can predict which fighters will be successful - sometimes the right fight at the right time can open doors for our fighters - othertimes, I poorly chosen fight can be a mini-crisis.

Every season has a surpirse package and a major flop - none of us know which is which until the very end.

[Crease]

I'll throw in a few title stats, just for the hell of it.

In the Light Heavyweight season there were 12 different Champions - it's a low amount compared to previous seasons.

Seven of them acquired three titles or more, and they were:
Jimmy Bivins - 6 World Titles
Tommy Gibbons - 5 World Titles
Ezzard Charles - 4 World Titles
Michael Spinks - 3 World Titles
Tommy Loughran - 3 World Titles
Sam Langford - 3 World Titles
Bob Fitzsimmons - 3 World Titles

A massive number of 9 fighters achieved no higher than IBO glory:
Maxie Rosenbloom and Kid Norfolk scored the IBO title twice.

Henry Maske, Roy Jones Junior, Joe Choynski, Jose Torres, Jack Dllon, James Braddock and Tommy Burns all won it once.

[Crease]

Now, I also noticed that certain titles were becoming the "kiss of death" for their Champions. As can be seen below.

IBO Title
Week 15: Kid Norfolk beat Henry Maske
Week 16: Roy Jones Jr beat Kid Norfolk
Week 17: Joe Choynski beat Roy Jones Jr
Week 18: Jose Torres beat Joe Choynski

Four Champions in four weeks.

[BigJuicyHog]

I was happy with the end result for Fitz, and I though my stable did pretty well overall. There were a lot of close losses all year for my stable where the opposite result would have been a huge difference.

Patterson was particularly frustrating as he would either lose a MD/SD in a big fight, or get knocked out in the last couple of rounds.

[Crease]

The IBF World Title was poison during the duration of the Super Six:

Week 31: Michael Spinks took the title off Tommy Loughran - who brought the belt into The Super Six along with him.
Week 32: Ezzard Charles beat Michael Spinsk for it.
Week 33: Tommy Gibbons beat Ezzard Charles.
Week 34: Jimmy Bivins beat Tommy Gibbons.
Week 35: Tommy Loughran beat Jimmy Bivins.

Five different champions in five weeks - no man made a successful title defence in the Super Six.

Maybe a coincidence, but it's interesting!

[Fist of Legend]

I was pleased with Bivins performance, he was definitely an over achiever this season with multiple championships(the most this season), a bronze medal finish in the super six tournament and wins over the likes of Gibbons, Charles, Spinks, Tunney and Fitzsimmons, although Tommy Loughran had his number and lost 3 times to him. he also had a nice little rivalry with Matthew Saad Muhammad that spanned three fights which saw them both win a fight and one declared a draw, Bivins put an decisive end to the trilogy by Knocking Muhammad out in 4 rounds in their final encounter. I think Bivins is easily a candidate for the Hall of Fame.


Maxie Rosenbloom started off well and I was surprised by his early victories over Bob Foster and Young Stribling and expected much more out of him but he really seemed to lose his momentum after losing the IBO title to free agent Henry Maske(a man that beat him twice this season) and he could never regain that form that saw him win the IBO title and challenge for a World Championship early in the year.

[Crease]

I think Bivins is easily a candidate for the Hall of Fame.

I'll be coming back to that very subject in the next few days. Ultimately the people will decide, but I think that only one man has done enough this year to get into the Hall.

For me, HOFers have to show a certain amount of dominance - I don't think Bivins had done that. Instead he has just been the ultra-successful outside bet who never quite able to lord it over his peers.

But that's only my take on it - we will come back to it in a few days.

[Crease]

I think - at this point - it would be a good time to appeal to Managers to finish off their LHW fighters records - so we can all better judge the HOF candidates.

[HomicideHenry]

If I am not mistaken, Charles had the most consecutive (and successful) title defenses of any Sim Champion. My hats off to Michael Spinks and Gene Tunney, who really gave Charles the toughest matches/series out of all the fights--- Loughran and Gibbons were also bitter rivals--- it is amazing, though, before the Charles/Gibbons show down that the majority of Sim posters felt Charles was the dominate champion, though he would lose (fair and square) to Gibbons.

I will say the sim was very interesting, it seems alot of fighters didnt really come into their own until real late in the tournament, from week 25 onward or so, it seemed guys who were perpetually losing all of a sudden became powerhouses. But that is the interesting part of the simulator. However, I dont think the tournament what so ever really detracts from what us knowledgeable boxing fans believe to be the true top five-ten LHW's of all time. As a fan, I would of expected Langford and Fitzsimmons and Conn to of had better season.

[BigJuicyHog]

If I am not mistaken, Charles had the most consecutive (and successful) title defenses of any Sim Champion. My hats off to Michael Spinks and Gene Tunney, who really gave Charles the toughest matches/series out of all the fights--- Loughran and Gibbons were also bitter rivals--- it is amazing, though, before the Charles/Gibbons show down that the majority of Sim posters felt Charles was the dominate champion, though he would lose (fair and square) to Gibbons.

I will say the sim was very interesting, it seems alot of fighters didnt really come into their own until real late in the tournament, from week 25 onward or so, it seemed guys who were perpetually losing all of a sudden became powerhouses. But that is the interesting part of the simulator. However, I dont think the tournament what so ever really detracts from what us knowledgeable boxing fans believe to be the true top five-ten LHW's of all time. As a fan, I would of expected Langford and Fitzsimmons and Conn to of had better season.

Well, Fitz lost some very close matches this season (including a draw and SD to Ezzard) and ended up with a bunch of belts at the end, so there is that. Langford was good as well.

[BoxBuzz]

It was a fascinating season.....Kid Norfolk for me was fun to watch, cause he really liked to pull the numb nuts punch and DQ himself. Screw winning, he just seemed to like to inflict pain. lol. And well, Gibbons had so many close ones with the greats, and more times than not, got the nod. The UD over Charles was probably his best work of art.

Humbly, I believe that bit of software deserves an HOF nod. He was the longest standing Lonsdale Champion.

I am going to post some stats from this season.

[BoxBully]

I think - at this point - it would be a good time to appeal to Managers to finish off their LHW fighters records - so we can all better judge the HOF candidates.

I updated my records for posterity

[gilgamesh]

I think - at this point - it would be a good time to appeal to Managers to finish off their LHW fighters records - so we can all better judge the HOF candidates.

I updated my records for posterity

The only HOF candidates from this season are Tommy Gibbons and Ezzard Charles. Nobody else is in the running I don't think. This season was dominated for the most part by those two fighters.

[BoxBully]

Even though I missed the draft and picked from the leftovers, I enjoyed the LHW season. I am also glad that I stuck through the whole season this time unlike the WW season when I managed Carlos Baldomir under the name BaldBull. Fabrice Tiozzo seemed to start winning as soon as I dropped him Joe Knight was a bit better. There was a point when Eddie Muhammad was 5-5-5 and I decided that since I couldn't compete with the top guys it would be fun to try to get the most draws then it was a D with Lloyd Marshall and a MD with Al Gainer but I found out how hard it is to set up draws and then there was the Prizefighter, MDT, and challenges, so I couldn't get Eddie to 10 draws, only 8. I think Eddie Muhammad's peak was somewhere near top 30. He finishes ranked at 48, Joe Knight at 87 lol, and Tiozo at 123 lmao. Thanks to everybody who makes this poop happen

[BoxBully]

The only HOF candidates from this season are Tommy Gibbons and Ezzard Charles. Nobody else is in the running I don't think. This season was dominated for the most part by those two fighters.

errm..I realise that. Let me rephrase my statement "I updated my records only for posterity"

[gilgamesh]

The only HOF candidates from this season are Tommy Gibbons and Ezzard Charles. Nobody else is in the running I don't think. This season was dominated for the most part by those two fighters.

errm..I realise that. Let me rephrase my statement "I updated my records only for posterity"

I wasn't making a comment on your fighters or their records, I was responding more to the post above yours. Didn't mean for the confusion.

[BoxBully]

ohh okay sorry

[kevo]

Enjoyable season, but by a poor one for me by my standards.

Spinx doesn't belong in the HoF, or even deserve to be nominated.

[gilgamesh]

Enjoyable season, but by a poor one for me by my standards.

Spinx doesn't belong in the HoF, or even deserve to be nominated.

Spinx kicked Qawi's ass...don't remember if Maxim fought him this season or not. I know Qawi owned your 2nd picks multiple times though

Overall I think I was 3-1 with 3 KO's against your stable this year

Spinx still was far more accomplished on his own than either of my fighters though.

[kevo]

Spinx still was far more accomplished on his own than either of my fighters though.

And don't you forget it.

[HomicideHenry]

The only HOF candidates from this season are Tommy Gibbons and Ezzard Charles. Nobody else is in the running I don't think. This season was dominated for the most part by those two fighters.

And what an honor it is. I think in all fairness, these two men were 'equal' in accomplishments. So, maybe, there should be a dual entry into the HOF for this season. Charles/Gibbons both should be entered into the HOF for the LHW season.

[DMA1987]

Ketchel did very well for me, far over achieved my expectations. I threw him to the wolves a little towards the end but I was proud of my little virtual man.

RJJ was dogshit.

[gilgamesh]

The only HOF candidates from this season are Tommy Gibbons and Ezzard Charles. Nobody else is in the running I don't think. This season was dominated for the most part by those two fighters.

And what an honor it is. I think in all fairness, these two men were 'equal' in accomplishments. So, maybe, there should be a dual entry into the HOF for this season. Charles/Gibbons both should be entered into the HOF for the LHW season.

You weren't equal Gibbons was THE MAN this season IMO, your man Charles was very close though. They're the only two possible HOF entrants from this season in my mind.