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is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 11:04
by littlepug
Can't see how this fight is being talked about as the biggest fight ever in Britain, do they just mean in terms of attendance ? It can't be in terms of public awareness there have been much bigger fights than this one such as Lewis v Bruno and Benn v Eubank2 I bet even cooper v burner wasn't far off in terms of the general public being aware of the fight,

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 11:54
by bigjack
littlepug wrote:Can't see how this fight is being talked about as the biggest fight ever in Britain, do they just mean in terms of attendance ? It can't be in terms of public awareness there have been much bigger fights than this one such as Lewis v Bruno and Benn v Eubank2 I bet even cooper v burner wasn't far off in terms of the general public being aware of the fight,
The fights you mention were talking points with everyone,i remember how they would be the main talking point during lunch breaks in work,even my nan knew who they were,now though it's hardly mentioned,Froch and Groves to the general public are unknown,some may have heard the names,more so Froch,but i bet very few have seen any of their fights,if it's not free tv at peak times then hardcore fans will pay but not joe public.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:04
by littlepug
An uncle told me that when mcguigan fought pedroza the country practically came to a standstill !

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:05
by mickey1975
bigjack wrote:
littlepug wrote:Can't see how this fight is being talked about as the biggest fight ever in Britain, do they just mean in terms of attendance ? It can't be in terms of public awareness there have been much bigger fights than this one such as Lewis v Bruno and Benn v Eubank2 I bet even cooper v burner wasn't far off in terms of the general public being aware of the fight,
The fights you mention were talking points with everyone,i remember how they would be the main talking point during lunch breaks in work,even my nan knew who they were,now though it's hardly mentioned,Froch and Groves to the general public are unknown,some may have heard the names,more so Froch,but i bet very few have seen any of their fights,if it's not free tv at peak times then hardcore fans will pay but not joe public.
But your Granny wouldn't have bought a ticket or PPV. Neither of the fights you've mentioned were sell outs... Everyone goes on about viewing figures but in reality, we had little choice. I used to watch Kabadi and NFL on Ch4 and Cell block h, not because I loved them, there was nothing else on! All those who gob off about the "golden era" but don't watch fights are full of sh!t.

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:25
by mullenman
it is the biggest fight ever in the UK,,, fact

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:29
by expe
mullenman wrote:it is the biggest fight ever in the UK,,, opinion
Edited for you

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:42
by palooka
mickey1975 wrote:
bigjack wrote:
littlepug wrote:Can't see how this fight is being talked about as the biggest fight ever in Britain, do they just mean in terms of attendance ? It can't be in terms of public awareness there have been much bigger fights than this one such as Lewis v Bruno and Benn v Eubank2 I bet even cooper v burner wasn't far off in terms of the general public being aware of the fight,
The fights you mention were talking points with everyone,i remember how they would be the main talking point during lunch breaks in work,even my nan knew who they were,now though it's hardly mentioned,Froch and Groves to the general public are unknown,some may have heard the names,more so Froch,but i bet very few have seen any of their fights,if it's not free tv at peak times then hardcore fans will pay but not joe public.
But your Granny wouldn't have bought a ticket or PPV. Neither of the fights you've mentioned were sell outs... Everyone goes on about viewing figures but in reality, we had little choice. I used to watch Kabadi and NFL on Ch4 and Cell block h, not because I loved them, there was nothing else on! All those who gob off about the "golden era" but don't watch fights are full of sh!t.
I used to watch 'The Hit Man and Her' when I came back pissed.

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 12:54
by Broomhall
littlepug wrote:An uncle told me that when mcguigan fought pedroza the country practically came to a standstill !
Estimated 15 million viewing figures. And yet within a short space of time BBC sports execs decided that boxing no longer fitted the public profile, and dropped all boxing coverage including the ABA championships.

I am not sure about the opinion that people had to watch as they had little choice. ITV and BBC both built young fighters up then ad Mcguigan for whatever reason really caught the publics imagination as did Frank Bruno. Other fighters didnt such as Joe Bugner, Charlie Magri etc who could never pull in such big viewing figures. Even when Bugner fought Ali I dont think it generated such high numbers-so people where discerning about who and what the watched.

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:04
by Final round
Kabadi was like a game of it. Sumo wrestling was worth a watch too. Hit Man and Her was absolute gash.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:17
by rossij8
I was a young teenager who can remember all of the big fights that were on terrestrial tv Eubank Benn, McGuigan, Bruno

As soon as they went over to Sky which we didn't have in those days, I had no idea of them going on - I can't even remember Bruno v Lewis or Bruno v McCall

Its the same today, my colleague at work who hasn't got Sky and shows a bit of interest in boxing conversation, doesn't know who the UK big names are (maybe Khan)

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:19
by DMA1987
expe wrote:
mullenman wrote:it is the biggest fight ever in the UK,,, opinion
Edited for you
Will be supported by the highest gate number, value and PPV buys won't it?

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:20
by palooka
Any boxing fan would be better off with B allegedly than SKY imo - SKY sports is expensive if all you watch is boxing.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:21
by mickey1975
rossij8 wrote:I was a young teenager who can remember all of the big fights that were on terrestrial tv Eubank Benn, McGuigan, Bruno

As soon as they went over to Sky which we didn't have in those days, I had no idea of them going on - I can't even remember Bruno v Lewis or Bruno v McCall

Its the same today, my colleague at work who hasn't got Sky and shows a bit of interest in boxing conversation, doesn't know who the big names in boxing are
If you're mate was that bothered, he'd find a way to watch fights. Does he not read papers or go online, either?

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:24
by rossij8
mickey1975 wrote:
rossij8 wrote:I was a young teenager who can remember all of the big fights that were on terrestrial tv Eubank Benn, McGuigan, Bruno

As soon as they went over to Sky which we didn't have in those days, I had no idea of them going on - I can't even remember Bruno v Lewis or Bruno v McCall

Its the same today, my colleague at work who hasn't got Sky and shows a bit of interest in boxing conversation, doesn't know who the big names in boxing are
If you're mate was that bothered, he'd find a way to watch fights. Does he not read papers or go online, either?
He's not a massive boxing fan -if big fights were on domestic tv he may get into it

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:26
by mickey1975
Exactly. They'd watch because nothing else was on, bringing nothing to the table in terms of revenue. Tell him to watch Britains Got Talent instead.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:27
by JimJim2009
Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks used to get twenty million viewers.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:28
by expe
DMA1987 wrote:
expe wrote:
mullenman wrote:it is the biggest fight ever in the UK,,, opinion
Edited for you
Will be supported by the highest gate number, value and PPV buys won't it?
Biggest gate number post war, no idea on PPV buys but it certainly won't beat Hatton-Mayweather, although that was in the US. This isn't the sort of thing that can be determined by numbers though, it's a very subjective thing, all down to opinion really.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:29
by palooka
JimJim2009 wrote:Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks used to get twenty million viewers.
You'd not have imagined there were that many nutters in the country would you? (Catweazle lived in the next village to me).

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:30
by stevedoc
littlepug wrote:An uncle told me that when mcguigan fought pedroza the country practically came to a standstill !
that was a massive fight , mcguigan was really liked by everyone it seemed his style was exciting and old women loved him to because he seemed like a nice guy. for me i'd pick the benn vs eubanks II as the biggest fight that might just be that i was at it :)

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:32
by rossij8
mickey1975 wrote:Exactly. They'd watch because nothing else was on, bringing nothing to the table in terms of revenue. Tell him to watch Britains Got Talent instead.
As a sports fan, I got into boxing because I watched Calzaghe v Lacy - it was on ITV

I've been hooked on watching boxing ever since

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 13:44
by mickey1975
stevedoc wrote:
littlepug wrote:An uncle told me that when mcguigan fought pedroza the country practically came to a standstill !
that was a massive fight , mcguigan was really liked by everyone it seemed his style was exciting and old women loved him to because he seemed like a nice guy. for me i'd pick the benn vs eubanks II as the biggest fight that might just be that i was at it :)
There was loads more to Barry's story. Catholic marrying a Protestant, dad singing in the ring, all at a very volatile time for Ireland. Baz transcended the sport.

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 14:18
by Boxing Prospect
palooka wrote:Any boxing fan would be better off with B allegedly than SKY imo - SKY sports is expensive if all you watch is boxing.
Wow, I'm shocked! Specialist channel is better for specialist subject than a general channel!

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Posted: 26 May 2014, 14:25
by palooka
Boxing Prospect wrote:
palooka wrote:Any boxing fan would be better off with B allegedly than SKY imo - SKY sports is expensive if all you watch is boxing.
Wow, I'm shocked! Specialist channel is better for specialist subject than a general channel!
:OhYes: wrong time of month?

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 14:29
by bigjack
mickey1975 wrote:
bigjack wrote:
littlepug wrote:Can't see how this fight is being talked about as the biggest fight ever in Britain, do they just mean in terms of attendance ? It can't be in terms of public awareness there have been much bigger fights than this one such as Lewis v Bruno and Benn v Eubank2 I bet even cooper v burner wasn't far off in terms of the general public being aware of the fight,
The fights you mention were talking points with everyone,i remember how they would be the main talking point during lunch breaks in work,even my nan knew who they were,now though it's hardly mentioned,Froch and Groves to the general public are unknown,some may have heard the names,more so Froch,but i bet very few have seen any of their fights,if it's not free tv at peak times then hardcore fans will pay but not joe public.
But your Granny wouldn't have bought a ticket or PPV. Neither of the fights you've mentioned were sell outs... Everyone goes on about viewing figures but in reality, we had little choice. I used to watch Kabadi and NFL on Ch4 and Cell block h, not because I loved them, there was nothing else on! All those who gob off about the "golden era" but don't watch fights are full of sh!t.
No Micky1975 she didn't,it was free on the telly,that's what i'm trying to say,as for being a fan,i bet i have attended bigger fights than you,so there :lol:

Re: is froch v groves really biggest ever ?

Posted: 26 May 2014, 14:36
by mickey1975
Go on then, which ones? Biggest attendance I've been in was Hatton-Lazcano or Calzaghe-Kessler. Fair play to you if you was at Chavez-Haugen.