What does the future hold for Daniel Geale?

[jezzamundo]

I read in a post on this forum someone diminishing GGG's win over Geale, saying that Geale is past his best. I disagree and feel that most, perhaps all middleweights would be blown out by GGG and I think Geale could still be a player in the division for years to come. He's said that he would like a rematch against GGG, but that's not going to happen and besides, he could potentially last a few more rounds but he would get tagged on the chin eventually and as we saw, he doesn't have the power to hurt Golovkin, nor the chin to take his punch.

On the other hand, I would give Geale a very good chance of beating the likes of Cotto, Soliman, Quillin and Murray. He's only 33 and should have at least two or three more years at the top. I'd like to see him take an easier fight before the end of the year before trying to get in with a top 10 middleweight in 2015.

[Butterbean]

The future should hold something different than boxing. He has no business at top level, and from the ones you mentioned, he just might have a chance against soliman. But thats it imo. If he wants to be a gate keeper from here on out he could. But no more.

[jezzamundo]

He has never taken a sustained beating in a fight, the only time he has been demolished was against GGG. His other two losses were by split decision in highly competitive fights against Mundine (who was much better in 2009 and less drained at 160lb) and Barker.

[Yes We Can]

I'd pay good money to watch Geale vs Macklin....

great fight.

Geale is still top 10, its not like its a stacked division right now.

[bigred83]

The future should hold something different than boxing. He has no business at top level, and from the ones you mentioned, he just might have a chance against soliman. But thats it imo. If he wants to be a gate keeper from here on out he could. But no more.

sorry mate, but I have to disagree with this statement. imo, this is a huge problem with boxing. fans think that once a guy loses 1 or 2 fights, he should retire.
WHY?
unless he is physically damaged, or does not want to fight any more.
could you imagine if manny, Bernard, jmm, and others had retired because of a loss?
its sport, people/teams lose ALL the time. doesn't mean they should quit.
if geale is happy to fight, and he can pass a proper medical, why should he not fight?

[keirw]

I'm sure Geale vs Soliman would be a big fight in oz

[Baby Face Finster]

Typical reactionary bullshit from people who probably were giving Geale a good chance to beat Triple G and now want to diminish his skill set to make that win look less impressive than it was.

[giacomino]

3G showed he is a class above guys like Geale and Macklin. Both were in a grouping below the best with Murray, Sturm, Soliman and Barker, a group of solid veterans who were/are decent enough boxers but don't have the punch to hold off 3G for long. All good enough to win/hold alphabet belts as long as they stay away from Golovkin. If he wants to, Geale can still beat guys in the top 20 and be an alphabet contender/stepping-stone type and probably make decent $ in Oz.

[lefty]

I always thought Geale was a solid fighter and one of the better guys in the division but at the same kind of level as the likes of Macklin. Good but short of GGG, Martinez (of old), and I think Quillin would beat him aswell.

[ikorolev]

Adding Quillin to the company of GGG and Martinez ? Is it based on his great performances against stars like Rosado and Konechny ? I see pre-GGG Geale outscoring Quillin.

[Butterbean]

Typical reactionary bullshit from people who probably were giving Geale a good chance to beat Triple G and now want to diminish his skill set to make that win look less impressive than it was.

I never gave geale any chances what so ever vs, ggg, as he didnt have any chances against ggg. Im not diminishing him at all. He is a great elite athlete. But imo he just doesnt have the skills to compete at champion level. Of course he can fight on as long as he wants to, but he aint no champion material.

[Butterbean]

The future should hold something different than boxing. He has no business at top level, and from the ones you mentioned, he just might have a chance against soliman. But thats it imo. If he wants to be a gate keeper from here on out he could. But no more.

sorry mate, but I have to disagree with this statement. imo, this is a huge problem with boxing. fans think that once a guy loses 1 or 2 fights, he should retire.
WHY?
unless he is physically damaged, or does not want to fight any more.
could you imagine if manny, Bernard, jmm, and others had retired because of a loss?
its sport, people/teams lose ALL the time. doesn't mean they should quit.
if geale is happy to fight, and he can pass a proper medical, why should he not fight?

Hey mate, did you just compare geale to jmm or bernard. You did, didnt you. Lol...

[jezzamundo]

The middleweight division isn’t particularly strong right now, which means that even a past-his-prime version of Daniel Geale should continue to be a relatively competitive force in the 160lb weight class… and perhaps be considered as a suitable stepping-stone for ambitious prospects or a relatively low-risk opponent for any voluntary world title defences.

Geale would not only be competitive against the likes of Sam Soliman, Sergio Martinez, Felix Sturm and Matthew Macklin, but he could possibly beat one or two of them as well.

That being said, it’s been quite a while since Daniel Geale delivered a truly impressive performance and he definitely quit against Golovkin… and one wonders how much desire he has left?

I don’t think for one second that Daniel Geale is a bad fighter, but it’s been a couple of years since I classed him amongst the top-tier of the middleweight division… and I mean something more than a top-ten contender.

Daniel Geale definitely has a future in the sport of boxing and perhaps there’s enough left in the tank for one last hurrah… so it’s slightly premature to suggest that he should be hanging up his gloves when there are a couple of big paydays out there for him to earn.

Why do you think Geale is past his prime? He arguably had an off night against Barker, was impressive in destroying Garth Wood (who admittedly, is a C-level fighter) and was stopped by GGG like most expected him to be, though he gave a good showing for the time he lasted. I don't think there's enough evidence to say he is past his prime - he has always been a solid B level fighter.

Typical reactionary bullshit from people who probably were giving Geale a good chance to beat Triple G and now want to diminish his skill set to make that win look less impressive than it was.

I never gave geale any chances what so ever vs, ggg, as he didnt have any chances against ggg. Im not diminishing him at all. He is a great elite athlete. But imo he just doesnt have the skills to compete at champion level. Of course he can fight on as long as he wants to, but he aint no champion material.

Seems contradictory, seeing as he has knocked out Karmazin and outpointed both Sylvester (should have been a UD) and Sturm in Germany, capturing the IBF and WBA world titles and made four successful title defenses. Someone who unified two world championship titles at middleweight isn't champion material?

I agree that he's not in the same league as GGG (no one at MW is) or a prime Martinez. He's never been a top P4P fighter, but was good enough to win titles and be the clear #3 middleweight in the world before losing to Barker.

[polecateddy]

He may beat Soliman I would think. Geale was a solid operator. Slightly past his peak now. His style relied on youth, reflexes and work rate. All three have dulled slightly now.

[Grant]

He may beat Soliman I would think. Geale was a solid operator. Slightly past his peak now. His style relied on youth, reflexes and work rate. All three have dulled slightly now.

Well said, i tend to agree. But what surprises me i that for such a common sense subject so many distespectfull people come out of the woodwork. Did Geale bad mouth GGG or anyone else? Did he run away from GGG and fight second and third raters? No he had a crack and lost to a better guy. Good on him

[jezzamundo]

I don’t have anything quantifiable to back-up my stance, other than an opinion based on viewing his most recent performances.

I discounted the Garth Wood fight because he cannot be classed as a top-tier world-class opponent. In fact, he was used as a confidence-builder showcase type victory rather than actually enhance Geale’s legacy.

I don’t believe that the Aussie should have lost to Darren Barker. I mean… he deserved to lose that bout, but he was sub-par that night. I thought it was a fight he should have won in a comfortable manner, but something indescribable was “missing” that night.

Also, Daniel Geale quit against Golovkin, which demonstrated a lack of desire... and this is something I felt we also witnessed when he was defeated by Darren Barker.

That being said, I don’t have the appetite to argue this point, because it’s very subjective in nature and I do not have a strong enough argument to undermine anyone’s opinion if it differs from mine.

Put it this way… if the version of Daniel Geale that we saw against Darren Barker and Gennady Golovkin can be considered in his prime, then perhaps he was never really that good in the first place. Who knows? Perhaps I overrated him?

Fair enough, there's not a lot here I disagree with. I didn't think Geale would comfortably beat Barker, but I think had he performed to the best of his ability he would have won a close but clear decision, or possibly even stopped Barker late. I don't think anything about his performances have indicated a lack of desire, except for the shake of the head against GGG, which Geale claims was in disappointment at himself, not an indication that he didn't want to continue. I'm not going to call Geale a liar, but he certainly didn't try to prove to the ref that he could continue, so I can understand people saying that he quit, while I wouldn't put it in those words myself. Apart from a couple of defensive lapses (both knockdowns), I think Geale actually performed quite well against GGG, he just didn't have the punch to earn his respect or the whiskers to take his flush punches.

[bigred83]

The future should hold something different than boxing. He has no business at top level, and from the ones you mentioned, he just might have a chance against soliman. But thats it imo. If he wants to be a gate keeper from here on out he could. But no more.

sorry mate, but I have to disagree with this statement. imo, this is a huge problem with boxing. fans think that once a guy loses 1 or 2 fights, he should retire.
WHY?
unless he is physically damaged, or does not want to fight any more.
could you imagine if manny, Bernard, jmm, and others had retired because of a loss?
its sport, people/teams lose ALL the time. doesn't mean they should quit.
if geale is happy to fight, and he can pass a proper medical, why should he not fight?

Hey mate, did you just compare geale to jmm or bernard. You did, didnt you. Lol...

yes. by the fact that they all have something in common... a loss.
you obviously read it wrong.
like I said, people/teams lose all the time. why should they quit because of a loss?

[Butterbean]

Your guy was beaten to a pulp in two rounds by the champ, with such ease, it looked like the champ was figthing an old sick lady....
Figthing for the left overs from here on out, just cant be satisfying for a guy like geale. Imo, most top 20 middleweights will beat him. When you listen to the guy it sounded like he viewed himself as champion material. He is not. He is desillusional or daft, and so are you if you think he has more business in chamionshipfights. Oh, he beat an overthehill sturm..., well who hasnt and who couldnt ? What would happen if geale fought curtis ? He woulb be wrecked. Wake up man.

[jezzamundo]

Your guy was beaten to a pulp in two rounds by the champ, with such ease, it looked like the champ was figthing an old sick lady....
Figthing for the left overs from here on out, just cant be satisfying for a guy like geale. Imo, most top 20 middleweights will beat him. When you listen to the guy it sounded like he viewed himself as champion material. He is not. He is desillusional or daft, and so are you if you think he has more business in chamionshipfights. Oh, he beat an overthehill sturm..., well who hasnt and who couldnt ? What would happen if geale fought curtis ? He woulb be wrecked. Wake up man.

There are so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to start!

1. Three rounds, not two (and the first round went for 4 minutes!)
2. Old sick lady? I think you need to watch the fight again, perhaps with the commentary turned off. Knockdowns aside, Geale was more competitive with GGG than any opponent I've seen him in with aside from Ouma (who was fighting a sick Golovkin) and Rosado and Stevens for portions of their fights. Punches landed were 56-40 in GGG's favour and they connected at the same percentage. Ultimately a defensive lapse cost him, but all three rounds were competitive.
3. He clearly is/was championship material because he won two world championship belts and has a record of 5-2 in world title fights (7-3 if you count IBO, which I don't). He views himself as champion material because he was a world champion.
4. There are two possible outcomes in a Geale-Stevens fight - Geale by a wide decision or Stevens by KO. Geale is by far the better, more skillful boxer, but Stevens is stronger and more durable, which (combined with his negativity in the second half of their fight) is why he lasted longer against GGG.

I agree that Geale doesn't belong in a ring with GGG again because he can't hurt him or take his punch, but that doesn't really apply with any other middleweight. I don't think anyone is claiming that he has a shot at being 'the guy' at middleweight with GGG around, but it's certainly not out of the question that he could win another alphabet title.

[Blodhemn]

The division has fallen apart. Macklin, Murray, Barker, Sturm, Martinez all seem to have crumbled at once. Soliman has oddly outlasted them all, and you've got to wonder if Geale is going to share the same fate as the others or if he'll join Soliman with a resurgence. If Geale can get back on track then I don't see why he couldn't become one of the top in the division, if he's still got it physically. Cotto isn't a real MW, Quillin is a joke... Jacobs is ok but nothing out of the ordinary. Geale is a tough fight for all of them.

[Like a Boss]

Golovkin beat a worthy opponent in Geale. That he made it look so easy is just testament to the destructive capabilities of the guy.

[bigred83]

Your guy was beaten to a pulp in two rounds by the champ, with such ease, it looked like the champ was figthing an old sick lady....
Figthing for the left overs from here on out, just cant be satisfying for a guy like geale. Imo, most top 20 middleweights will beat him. When you listen to the guy it sounded like he viewed himself as champion material. He is not. He is desillusional or daft, and so are you if you think he has more business in chamionshipfights. Oh, he beat an overthehill sturm..., well who hasnt and who couldnt ? What would happen if geale fought curtis ? He woulb be wrecked. Wake up man.

There are so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to start!

1. Three rounds, not two (and the first round went for 4 minutes!)
2. Old sick lady? I think you need to watch the fight again, perhaps with the commentary turned off. Knockdowns aside, Geale was more competitive with GGG than any opponent I've seen him in with aside from Ouma (who was fighting a sick Golovkin) and Rosado and Stevens for portions of their fights. Punches landed were 56-40 in GGG's favour and they connected at the same percentage. Ultimately a defensive lapse cost him, but all three rounds were competitive.
3. He clearly is/was championship material because he won two world championship belts and has a record of 5-2 in world title fights (7-3 if you count IBO, which I don't). He views himself as champion material because he was a world champion.
4. There are two possible outcomes in a Geale-Stevens fight - Geale by a wide decision or Stevens by KO. Geale is by far the better, more skillful boxer, but Stevens is stronger and more durable, which (combined with his negativity in the second half of their fight) is why he lasted longer against GGG.

I agree that Geale doesn't belong in a ring with GGG again because he can't hurt him or take his punch, but that doesn't really apply with any other middleweight. I don't think anyone is claiming that he has a shot at being 'the guy' at middleweight with GGG around, but it's certainly not out of the question that he could win another alphabet title.

thank you for a bit of sense.

[ikorolev]

The division has fallen apart. Macklin, Murray, Barker, Sturm, Martinez all seem to have crumbled at once. Soliman has oddly outlasted them all, and you've got to wonder if Geale is going to share the same fate as the others or if he'll join Soliman with a resurgence. If Geale can get back on track then I don't see why he couldn't become one of the top in the division, if he's still got it physically. Cotto isn't a real MW, Quillin is a joke... Jacobs is ok but nothing out of the ordinary. Geale is a tough fight for all of them.

Then why aren't big light middles in a hurry to take it over ? Of course, Cotto/Roach saw a dying prey in Martinez and got him, but nobody else is moving up. Andrade just turned down a title fight against Korobov, Vanes is talking but not moving up, Canelo is hesitant, Angulo tried but was beaten by a B level fighter.

[Like a Boss]

Geale has a bout coming up in December. Fletcher seems to be the name being mentioned as his likely opponent.

[jezzamundo]

Geale has a bout coming up in December. Fletcher seems to be the name being mentioned as his likely opponent.

That would be a good matchup, well, good for the winner, the loser's career, at least as a contender, is over. Geale should win a decision, though a stoppage wouldn't shock me.