Pacquiao vs Lomachenko

[ikorolev]

Size wise, Manny is not much bigger than Vasyl. Lomachenko competed at 132 in amateurs, so I think a catch weight of 137-138 would be fair.

What do you think ?

[crusader]

I think Pacquiao would win assuming he weren't greatly impaired by the weight. Obviously he's been fighting above 138 lately but to me it doesn't seem like he's so big that he'd kill himself to make that weight if he needed to.

Loma is very good and I think he can get even better with more pro experience, but his performances to date suggest to me that he's currently not on Pac's level.

[hurricanemitch14]

hmmm 2 fights ago loma got beat by 12 loss salido......nah ur right hed beat pacman

[ikorolev]

Are you saying that Pac would fight like Salido ??? Have you heard about styles making fights ?

[Badhusker]

I would much rather see Pac vs Matthysse or Crawford.

[chucktaylor]

Are you saying that Pac would fight like Salido ??? Have you heard about styles making fights ?

Regardless of styles, Pacman is simply a lot better than Salido, in addition to being bigger. He's on another level.
Salido, being one of the weaker champs in the sport, was chosen as an opponent to give Vasyl the best chance of winning a title in his second fight. He did show some class in the end, but was hittable. Pacman doesn't fight like Salido, but he's much more quick, skilled and powerful, so I don't see him having a problem landing even more consistently, and with greater effect.

[Badhusker]

Manny Pacquiao's official ring weight is approximately 145lbs, with him rehydrating to 150lbs.

Vasyl Lomachenko campaigns as a 126lb-er, with his average rehydration weight being 137lbs.

So you're proposing a lightweight catch-weight fight between a featherweight and a welterweight?

I honestly can't believe some of the garbage that is often posted on this forum!

I sincerely believed that this was a forum dedicated to hardcore fans of the sport that understood all aspects of boxing... I was clearly wrong!

I don't even think it is about being hardcore fans of the sport. Its more like the saying goes, common sense just isn't that common anymore. Crawford is moving up to 140 after his next fight. Matthysse is already there. Those are at least realistic weight-wise.

[ikorolev]

Manny Pacquiao's official ring weight is approximately 145lbs, with him rehydrating to 150lbs.

Vasyl Lomachenko campaigns as a 126lb-er, with his average rehydration weight being 137lbs.

So you're proposing a lightweight catch-weight fight between a featherweight and a welterweight?

I honestly can't believe some of the garbage that is often posted on this forum!

I sincerely believed that this was a forum dedicated to hardcore fans of the sport that understood all aspects of boxing... I was clearly wrong!

I am so sorry that I bothered your OCD. Are you aware that Pac started at 106 ? Are you aware that Lomachenko fought at 116 at the age of 17 ? Are you aware that they have the same height ? Who told you that the fight is supposed to happen tomorrow ? Pacquiao went from 129 to 142 in 9 months. What makes you think that Lomachenko can't move up in weight the same way and gain power if he is helped by good specialists.

You love your dogmas and start bursting with page-long posts if somebody tries to ruin them. Go get your OCD treated.

[JCS]

Poster with extreme bias for boxers from Russia and its former states makes thread about imaginary fight where boxers are multiple divisions apart. Other poster picks against Ukrainian boxer ... typical hilarity ensues.

[KBB]

I'm very surprised that 50% of the people on this forum are still believing that Manny will KO someone

Loma has a pretty good defense and is quick on his feet just as Manny is, he also proved that he is able to fight with one hand if he needs to, I don't see a KO from either guy but it will be a great boxing contest because both are highly skilled, fast as f*ck and have very decent punching power.

Manny is a HOFer and Loma is an up and comer so this will be an interesting bout.

[ikorolev]

Poster with extreme bias for boxers from Russia and its former states makes thread about imaginary fight where boxers are multiple divisions apart. Other poster picks against Ukrainian boxer ... typical hilarity ensues.

Are you aware that Russia and Ukraine are almost at war now ? If one has an "extreme bias" towards one country, he would have totally different attitude towards the other one. I do have an extreme bias towards exciting fighters, and both Pac and Loma belong to that list.

[diddy]

Is this thread serious?

Pac destroys him. Pac is basically a welter now. Lomo is a god damn featherweight. Come on. Height doesn't matter. Look at their builds.

[ikorolev]

You are the only one finding this fight absurd. I am not asking about a fight between their professional resumes.

Only blind can't see that Loma has a potential for becoming an all time great. The fact that he had a questionable loss in his first professional fight against a champion who resorted to extremely dirty tactics is irrelevant. Manny is a clean fighter, so we are talking about boxing contest, and Loma lost only one such contest in his 400+ bouts. Manny is clearly not in his prime while Vasyl is on his way up and is getting better with every fight. Weight and professional experience are on Manny's side, but that may not be enough to beat the hungry young lion with outstanding abilities like Loma.

[tiny_acres]

You are the only one finding this fight absurd. I am not asking about a fight between their professional resumes.

Only blind can't see that Loma has a potential for becoming an all time great. The fact that he had a questionable loss in his first professional fight against a champion who resorted to extremely dirty tactics is irrelevant. Manny is a clean fighter, so we are talking about boxing contest, and Loma lost only one such contest in his 400+ bouts. Manny is clearly not in his prime while Vasyl is on his way up and is getting better with every fight. Weight and professional experience are on Manny's side, but that may not be enough to beat the hungry young lion with outstanding abilities like Loma.

I also find this absurd.Normally like your topics but this one is crazy.Sorry.

[Ricky_]

You are the only one finding this fight absurd. I am not asking about a fight between their professional resumes.

Only blind can't see that Loma has a potential for becoming an all time great. The fact that he had a questionable loss in his first professional fight against a champion who resorted to extremely dirty tactics is irrelevant. Manny is a clean fighter, so we are talking about boxing contest, and Loma lost only one such contest in his 400+ bouts. Manny is clearly not in his prime while Vasyl is on his way up and is getting better with every fight. Weight and professional experience are on Manny's side, but that may not be enough to beat the hungry young lion with outstanding abilities like Loma.

Fergus measures size by height so i'm surprised he's not on board with this.


It takes a fighter years to move through the weight divisions. The move up by adding lean muscle to their physiques. Many of the divisions are 7+ lb apart, putting on 7lb of lean msucle is alot to achieve even in 1 year. Pacquiao at the moment doesn't dehydrate to make Welterweight, he's just good enough that he can compete in that division fairly naturally in an era where most guys drain. Pacquiao could fight at 140lb no problem, and probably drain down to 135lb if his 36 year old body could handle it (he used to be a big drainer back in the day). The problem with moving down divisions is that it's less prestigious/lucrative.

I'd be more interested in waiting to see Lomachenko get to his prime, then debating the question of how he would have faired against the likes of Pacquiao/Mosely, etc... if Lomachenko does go on to be an atg. He looks the part imo, but needs to add some punch power.

[ikorolev]

You are the only one finding this fight absurd. I am not asking about a fight between their professional resumes.

Only blind can't see that Loma has a potential for becoming an all time great. The fact that he had a questionable loss in his first professional fight against a champion who resorted to extremely dirty tactics is irrelevant. Manny is a clean fighter, so we are talking about boxing contest, and Loma lost only one such contest in his 400+ bouts. Manny is clearly not in his prime while Vasyl is on his way up and is getting better with every fight. Weight and professional experience are on Manny's side, but that may not be enough to beat the hungry young lion with outstanding abilities like Loma.

I also find this absurd.Normally like your topics but this one is crazy.Sorry.

I respect your opinion, but the poll shows that some people not only finding the topic reasonable, but also expect Loma to win. If you don't get preoccupied with professional resumes, it doesn't look absurd at all. These guys have the same natural size and similar abilities with Loma having more desire/fire.

[JCS]

Poster with extreme bias for boxers from Russia and its former states makes thread about imaginary fight where boxers are multiple divisions apart. Other poster picks against Ukrainian boxer ... typical hilarity ensues.

Are you aware that Russia and Ukraine are almost at war now ? If one has an "extreme bias" towards one country, he would have totally different attitude towards the other one. I do have an extreme bias towards exciting fighters, and both Pac and Loma belong to that list.

You've got a raging one for any boxer whose last name ends with -ev, -ko, -kin or -ov. It's quite amusing. If there is a more accurate way to generalize that strange love, please give me an adjective or blanket statement to summarize it. Whatever it is, Johnny Weir has it too.

[ikorolev]

I don't like Klitchko and some other boring fighters from Eastern Europe, but I like Paquiao, Thurman, Lara and other fighters who are fun to watch.

It is easy: exciting vs boring. Even you can understand that if you try a little harder. If you are one of those who are unhappy that there are too many Russian/Ukranian/etc. names among exciting fighters people are talking about just accept it.

[Lackeos]

Pacquiao can probably beat Lomachenko, plus everyone Lomachenko has professionally fought all in one night. I am not exaggerating either.

[hurricanemitch14]

You are the only one finding this fight absurd. I am not asking about a fight between their professional resumes.

Only blind can't see that Loma has a potential for becoming an all time great. The fact that he had a questionable loss in his first professional fight against a champion who resorted to extremely dirty tactics is irrelevant. Manny is a clean fighter, so we are talking about boxing contest, and Loma lost only one such contest in his 400+ bouts. Manny is clearly not in his prime while Vasyl is on his way up and is getting better with every fight. Weight and professional experience are on Manny's side, but that may not be enough to beat the hungry young lion with outstanding abilities like Loma.

dude u have taken over as the most unlikable person on this board.....yes this fight is absurd. Loma has had 4 fornicating fights.....he aint beating pacman. Ur nuthugging of soviet fighters is pathetic. Loma got beat by Salido a guy with 12 friggin losses, no he aint beating pacman no matter what style pacman fights at. Take a couple days off from the forum and rub one off to ur favorite soviet fighter and give us a break.

[ikorolev]

I don't need idiots like you liking me. I has never cared what people who can't write or speak correctly in their own language think.

Once again, one needs to be blind to not see that Loma is on his way to ATG. Only injuries can stop him from getting there. Some may not like his style preferring brawl, but what he shows is a real art of boxing. I don't care if majority disagrees with me. The same majority would start mocking me a couple years ago if I said that Golovkin was the best MW or Kovalev was the best LHW. At least six people in this forum do agree with me on Loma though.

[hurricanemitch14]

douche bag this a forum not english class, its called slang.

Loma is on his way to being an ATG, u r right. but saying Loma who is 3-1 and lost to Salido a b level guy is now ready for a 100% ATG great is crazy.

I'm a fan of all that u have mentioned but damn dude do u have to suck em off every day??

[ikorolev]

It was a split decision loss in his first professional fight and the only reason he lost was that Salido was using dirty tactics, the ref allowed him to do so and two of the judges counted some low blows as legal punches. That loss is absolutely irrelevant when we are talking about fighting Pac who is a very clean boxer.

[JCS]

Pacquiao bullies him and beats him up.

[hurricanemitch14]

It was a split decision loss in his first professional fight and the only reason he lost was that Salido was using dirty tactics, the ref allowed him to do so and two of the judges counted some low blows as legal punches. That loss is absolutely irrelevant when we are talking about fighting Pac who is a very clean boxer.

lol he got cheated.......tell me all u soviets pussies who can't take a loss like a man or is it just u???

all I know is dirty tactics or no dirty tactics pacman beats the shit out of Salido........so why don't loma move up in weight rematch Salido, I mean if he can move up to fight pacman surely he can move up and rematch Salido.

on a serious note i'd like to see him fight Gamboa at 130. Gamboa's talent and speed vs Loma's sharp boxing skills.