2014 fighter of the year so far

lobo · Post by **lobo** » 25 Nov 2014, 00:31

Crawford - wins over Burns and Gamboa, next fight with Beltran
Kovalev - Agnew, Caparello and Bhop
Golovkin - Adama, Geale, Rubio
Canelo - Angulo, Lara
Cotto - Martinez
Mayweather - Maidana(2x)
Pacquiao - Bradley, Algieri
Walters - Darchinyan, Donaire
Gonzalez - Kantun, Purisima, Yaegashi, Fuentes

Ian1973 · Post by **Ian1973** » 25 Nov 2014, 01:24

Kovalev

ikorolev · Post by **ikorolev** » 25 Nov 2014, 01:36

I also vote for Kovalev, as he did to Hopkins what nobody else could.

Canelo's decision over Lara was highly questionable, and Angulo was already shot. Cotto's win over Martinez looks good on paper but is tainted by Sergio's condition.

Loma should be on the list, as he got a belt in his third professional fight.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 02:06

Pacquiao, in my opinion. A lot of good candidates, but Canelo doesn't deserve to be in this list. Guys like Naoya Inoue are much more deserving. I also think that Orlando Salido should be included, because he beat future ATG Vasyl Lomachenko (even if it was a very close fight and Salido was overweight) and KO'ed Terdsak Kokietgym in the Fight of the year. Salido is far from the best P4P fighter in the world, but so was Glen Johnson when he was named the Fighter of the year by The Ring Magazine.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 25 Nov 2014, 02:51

Roman Gonzalez and Naoya Inoue (IF he beats Narvaez) are the 2 standouts. It'll likely go to some US based fighter at 135 or above as that's how these things go whether the fighter winning it deserves it or not.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 02:55

Boxing Writer wrote:Pacquiao, in my opinion. A lot of good candidates, but Canelo doesn't deserve to be in this list. Guys like Naoya Inoue are much more deserving. I also think that Orlando Salido should be included, because he beat future ATG Vasyl Lomachenko (even if it was a very close fight and Salido was overweight) and KO'ed Terdsak Kokietgym in the Fight of the year. Salido is far from the best P4P fighter in the world, but so was Glen Johnson when he was named the Fighter of the year by The Ring Magazine.

Inoue hasn't beaten anyone as good as Lara. Alvarez is more deserving than Inoue.

I'm going with Kovalev.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 25 Nov 2014, 03:15

Horse wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:Pacquiao, in my opinion. A lot of good candidates, but Canelo doesn't deserve to be in this list. Guys like Naoya Inoue are much more deserving. I also think that Orlando Salido should be included, because he beat future ATG Vasyl Lomachenko (even if it was a very close fight and Salido was overweight) and KO'ed Terdsak Kokietgym in the Fight of the year. Salido is far from the best P4P fighter in the world, but so was Glen Johnson when he was named the Fighter of the year by The Ring Magazine.
Inoue hasn't beaten anyone as good as Lara. Alvarez is more deserving than Inoue.

I'm going with Kovalev.

Wins over Hernandez and Narvaez would be as good as anything anyone has done this year, especially if he can manage to stop the Argentinian. Don't forget many felt Lara was at least deserving of a draw with Canelo

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 03:55

Boxing Prospect wrote:Wins over Hernandez and Narvaez would be as good as anything anyone has done this year, especially if he can manage to stop the Argentinian. Don't forget many felt Lara was at least deserving of a draw with Canelo

Inoue hasn't beat Narvaez yet, so you can't count that.

Beating Lara is better than beating Hernandez.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 06:12

Horse wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:Pacquiao, in my opinion. A lot of good candidates, but Canelo doesn't deserve to be in this list. Guys like Naoya Inoue are much more deserving. I also think that Orlando Salido should be included, because he beat future ATG Vasyl Lomachenko (even if it was a very close fight and Salido was overweight) and KO'ed Terdsak Kokietgym in the Fight of the year. Salido is far from the best P4P fighter in the world, but so was Glen Johnson when he was named the Fighter of the year by The Ring Magazine.
Inoue hasn't beaten anyone as good as Lara.

Alvarez didn't beat Lara, he barely defeated him by the closest possible margin officially and lost to him on many people's unofficial cards. And I can't remember any fighter in the history to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year" after barely defeating one borderline top-30 P4P fighter (Lara) and beating a guy, who isn't even in top-200 P4P (Angulo).

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 06:54

Boxing Writer wrote:Alvarez didn't beat Lara, he barely defeated him by the closest possible margin officially and lost to him on many people's unofficial cards. And I can't remember any fighter in the history to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year" after barely defeating one borderline top-30 P4P fighter (Lara) and beating a guy, who isn't even in top-200 P4P (Angulo).

Alvarez beat Lara by a wide margin. Lara ran away.

Inoue hasn't beaten any top 30 P4P fighters. Hernandez probably wasn't a top 50 P4P fighter.

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 25 Nov 2014, 08:10

lobo wrote: Crawford - wins over Burns and Gamboa - 2 solid wins but both those guys been overrated for a while
Kovalev - Agnew, Caparello and Bhop - Decent candidate but UD over Bhop isn't something Chad ain't done before.
Golovkin - Adama, Geale, Rubio - Wrecking machine, oustanding stoppages too.
Canelo - Angulo, Lara - Angulo sucks, close fight with p4p ranked Lara, gets credit for getting the dec.
Cotto - Martinez - Excellent achievement to win the belt but Martinez was shot and Cotto is no middleweight.
Mayweather - Maidana(2x) - lol
Pacquiao - Bradley, Algieri - Bradley is the best name on this list, a solid top 4 p4p. Utterly dominated undefeated LWW champ Algieri.
Walters - Darchinyan, Donaire - 2 very good wins, but both guys blown up, more a win on size than skill imo.
Gonzalez - Kantun, Purisima, Yaegashi, Fuentes - 4 stoppages, but all guys beaten before.

For best wins, Pacquiao by a distance. Nobody came close to beating a fighter in the calibre of Bradley. I'd maybe go with Canelo behind him for beating Lara.

For best performances, I'd go with Golovkin, with Kovalev, Pacquiao & Gonzalez not too far behind.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:19

Horse wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:Alvarez didn't beat Lara, he barely defeated him by the closest possible margin officially and lost to him on many people's unofficial cards. And I can't remember any fighter in the history to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year" after barely defeating one borderline top-30 P4P fighter (Lara) and beating a guy, who isn't even in top-200 P4P (Angulo).
Alvarez beat Lara by a wide margin. Lara ran away.

Inoue hasn't beaten any top 30 P4P fighters. Hernandez probably wasn't a top 50 P4P fighter.

Well, for now (until he beats Narvaez) Inoue doesn't deserve to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year", here I agree. But neither is Canelo. He definitely doesn't deserve to be mentioned as a "Fighter of the year" candidate

Perseus · Post by **Perseus** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:24

If you ever wonder what is wrong with boxing all you have to do is look at this thread.

A guy who beat two club-fighters and a 49-year-old man is getting votes for Fighter of the Year.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:25

Horse wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:Alvarez didn't beat Lara, he barely defeated him by the closest possible margin officially and lost to him on many people's unofficial cards. And I can't remember any fighter in the history to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year" after barely defeating one borderline top-30 P4P fighter (Lara) and beating a guy, who isn't even in top-200 P4P (Angulo).
Alvarez beat Lara by a wide margin. Lara ran away

I had Lara winning the fight. Did he run? Yes, but Canelo barely touched him. It was another unimpressive performance from Canelo after being completely outclassed, outboxed and outsmarted by Floyd Mayweather. I still can't understand, how some people see him as a "special" talent.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:26

Perseus wrote:If you ever wonder what is wrong with boxing all you have to do is look at this thread.

A guy who beat two club-fighters and a 49-year-old man is getting votes for Fighter of the Year.

He beat an ATG who was still highly ranked in the P4P rankings. Don't be silly.

ikorolev · Post by **ikorolev** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:31

Horse wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:Wins over Hernandez and Narvaez would be as good as anything anyone has done this year, especially if he can manage to stop the Argentinian. Don't forget many felt Lara was at least deserving of a draw with Canelo
Inoue hasn't beat Narvaez yet, so you can't count that.

Beating Lara is better than beating Hernandez.

Except Lara wasn't beaten.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:32

Boxing Writer wrote:Well, for now (until he beats Narvaez) Inoue doesn't deserve to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year", here I agree. But neither is Canelo. He definitely doesn't deserve to be mentioned as a "Fighter of the year" candidate

Name the 9 fighters you would have put in the poll then.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:33

ikorolev wrote:Except Lara wasn't beaten.

Yes, he was. Lara fought a pathetic fight and rightly lost.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:39

Horse wrote:
Boxing Writer wrote:Well, for now (until he beats Narvaez) Inoue doesn't deserve to be in the mix for the "Fighter of the year", here I agree. But neither is Canelo. He definitely doesn't deserve to be mentioned as a "Fighter of the year" candidate
Name the 9 fighters you would have put in the poll then.

I don't think poll must contain 10 names exactly. Only the fighters who have some credibility to be named as a fighter of the year. And Canelo definitely doesn't belong to this list.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:43

Boxing Writer wrote:I don't think poll must contain 10 names exactly. Only the fighters who have some credibility to be named as a fighter of the year. And Canelo definitely doesn't belong to this list.

So he does belong in the top 9 then? Stop complaining about nothing.

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:47

Horse wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Except Lara wasn't beaten.
Yes, he was. Lara fought a pathetic fight and rightly lost.

Canelo looked equally pathetic that night to say at least.

Perseus · Post by **Perseus** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:49

Horse wrote:
Perseus wrote:If you ever wonder what is wrong with boxing all you have to do is look at this thread.

A guy who beat two club-fighters and a 49-year-old man is getting votes for Fighter of the Year.
He beat an ATG who was still highly ranked in the P4P rankings. Don't be silly.

P4P ranking don't squat.

It is an indisputable fact that he beat an old man by the standards of any major professional sport.

............oh can't forget the two club-fighters he beat before the old man.

Two club-fighters and a guy pushing 50. That's what it takes to be a legit FOTY candidate in 2014.
Next time you're bothered by some non-boxing fan talking down about boxing, remember the FOTY conversation and be sure to avoid it before trying to defend boxing.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Nov 2014, 10:57

Perseus wrote:P4P ranking don't squat.

Yes, they do.

Perseus wrote:It is an indisputable fact that he beat an old man by the standards of any major professional sport.

............oh can't forget the two club-fighters he beat before the old man.

Two club-fighters and a guy pushing 50. That's what it takes to be a legit FOTY candidate in 2014.

Yes. Hopkins showed he was still world class and he was clearly a top 3 ranked light heavyweight. It was a very good win for Kovalev.

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 25 Nov 2014, 11:03

This thread looks familiar...

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186515

Gonzalez has my vote.

Crawford if he wins gets 2nd.

Then Kovalev

klitoris · Post by **klitoris** » 25 Nov 2014, 12:42

Crawford if he wins this weekend. Gonzalez if Crawford loses.
Golovkin 3rd place.
Manny 4th place.