what did khan change?

[man]

i think he spends about a third of his time
in the ring in attack mode, thus giving way
fewer openings and less opportunity for the
opponent to "learn" and time him.

then he manages to control the other guy not
only by attack, but by counter punching, thus
discouraging incoming attacks.

while he still uses a lot of jab-right hand combos
i feel he uses this to me somehow weird looking
left hook, that dives in from above. maidana did
these often against floyd in their first one.

funny thing is, that he doesn't seem to have
changed very much. at this stage he is dangerous
for everyone. i could imagine him being on a great
path now. something similar happened before in
some higher weight class if i remember correctly ...

[littlepug]

Spose he just maturing as a fighter, he's been around a while now and is a seasoned boxer

[cletomex]

i could imagine him being on a great path now.

A great path to being knocked silly again.

[Yes We Can]

After the prescott defeat Amir also looked like he was turning a corner, right the way up until the peterson fight.

Now personally i thought Amir won that, and even then it should be ruled as an NC on his record, but he most certainly changed into face first idiot mode again.

Garcia then opened his own can of face-first Amir whoop ass and he's back to square 1.

Slowly starting to build back up looking good, but it wont last for more than another 2 good wins until he brings back face first Amir Khan.

On his day i genuinely believe he an beat any boxer around 140-147, but he could lose to about 50 if "face first" enters the ring.... He'll never attain fighting maturity in the same way Naz never did.

[diddy]

Khan would beat Garcia easily in a rematch.

[Badhusker]

Khan would beat Garcia easily in a rematch.

Most thought Khan would beat Garcia easily the first time.

[digzee]

Khan would beat Garcia easily in a rematch.

Most thought Khan would beat Garcia easily the first time.

The main problem was so did Khan, if they fought next year at WW I doubt Khan would make the same mistake again, but with Khan there's always that little chance.

[ponch]

For one thing, he changed opponents.

[KBB]

i think he spends about a third of his time
in the ring in attack mode, thus giving way
fewer openings and less opportunity for the
opponent to "learn" and time him.

then he manages to control the other guy not
only by attack, but by counter punching, thus
discouraging incoming attacks.

while he still uses a lot of jab-right hand combos
i feel he uses this to me somehow weird looking
left hook, that dives in from above. maidana did
these often against floyd in their first one.

funny thing is, that he doesn't seem to have
changed very much. at this stage he is dangerous
for everyone. i could imagine him being on a great
path now. something similar happened before in
some higher weight class if i remember correctly ...

Nothing!!

Which is why I can't see how guys are thinking him beating Alexander means he's ready for Floyd.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

i think he spends about a third of his time
in the ring in attack mode, thus giving way
fewer openings and less opportunity for the
opponent to "learn" and time him.

then he manages to control the other guy not
only by attack, but by counter punching, thus
discouraging incoming attacks.

while he still uses a lot of jab-right hand combos
i feel he uses this to me somehow weird looking
left hook, that dives in from above. maidana did
these often against floyd in their first one.

funny thing is, that he doesn't seem to have
changed very much. at this stage he is dangerous
for everyone. i could imagine him being on a great
path now. something similar happened before in
some higher weight class if i remember correctly ...

Nothing!!

Which is why I can't see how guys are thinking him beating Alexander means he's ready for Floyd.

Exactly, but because Paulie Malinaggi thinks Khan is a great fighter ... ... because Khan dominated Paulie Malinaggi ... ...

It's beyond funny that Paulie believes that dominating him and Alexander somehow makes someone a challenge for Floyd. Malinaggi is delusional about his own boxing skills. Floyd has already dominated guys who f'ed up Pualie before and Khan would be no different.

But ... some people love that Showtime/GBP Kool-Aid.

[coneye]

The thing is though Khan is getting all this publicity for a reason ,, People look at Floyd we know what he is and how good he is ,, The only man put on equal footing with him has been Manny , so OK forget Manny its been done to death and even if it happens its still 4 years to late has far has i'm concerned , if it happens in May , both are slipping and fans from both sides will still argue who would of won in there prime .

Now Khan , the reason he's being mentioned is because it does'nt matter who you look at leaving Pacman out , There is NO ONE who would beat or come close to beating Floyd , , so Kahn , what he has changed is TRAINERS . up till now Khan has been this kid with a 50-50 jaw , who fights on natural skill and courage , but lacks brains , his speed dominates , and then he gets carried away , and knocks himself out ,, yep he runs into punches and bingo lights out charlie .

Khan has been stopped, but they have been perfectly timed, big punches with Khan coming on to them , punches you get caught with in the right spot and your going down no matter who you are .

Where he has changed is , he was with trainers who were having him use his speed and nothing else , he would go in relying on speed to get out or evade punches , and if he got tagged he would forget boxing and allow stupidity and courage to take over , even with Roach he did'nt seem to be learning much .

But Virgil along with maturity , are teaching Khan to be more sensible , hence why people are saying this kid has improved , Now has he improved to the extent he'll beat Mayweather I doubt it .

But he has improved to the extent where people are thinking out of the rest of them , He may be the only one with a chance , because he has the speed thats going to be needed , without that speed your just going to be another run on the board for Floyd , .

But i dunno Floyd likes to set the pace , but given a boxer who can throw punches faster than himself , and move quicker than himself , he will struggle setting the pace , and when he does catch up , with Khan , will he bowl him with one punch , Floyds power is'nt terrific , so unless he does what the others done and catch Khan coming in to ko himself , i doubt he will ,

Because one things for sure , for the biggest fight in his life , with Virgil behind him , Khan will fight to a plan and stick to it . so for me i would'nt be suprised if Khan beat Mayweather ,

But then got KO'D into next month by Porter or Pacman .

And thats what Khan has changed , peoples perception of him and his style towards a fight with Floyd .

[Evander]

Amir has put on weight.
A shock absorber for his chin perhaps ?

[Badhusker]

Amir has put on weight.
A shock absorber for his chin perhaps ?

Maybe he has been chewing a lot of bubble gum?

No. Look at the opponents he has faced recently, and that pretty much tells the story.

Khan is 4-2 in his last 6 fights - I won't dwell on his losses

Carlos Molina, a feather-fisted lightweight (135lber)

Julio Diaz, a career lightweight, who fought at welter for 3 fights before having to cut to 142 to fight Khan. Put Khan on his ass, and won the fight according to many experts watching. Diaz was clearly, clearly, past his best.

Collazo, who had not done anything in the last 4 years, and had lost every single big fight he has ever been in....somehow KO's a mentally broken and super-rusty Victor Ortiz. Suddenly Collazo is a top ten welter??? Please!!! He has a lower KO % than Khan, and was NOT the KO threat Goldenboy and Khan lied about him being. Oscar seems as dumb as Khan, or maybe they have some kind of special behind the scenes relationship?

Alexander, who was dominated by a guy (Porter) that was beaten by an even less regarded Brook. Neither were top 10 guys, but I guess can make their case now? Alexander also has a lower KO% than Khan. Surprised?

Khan avoided Alexander last year because he didn't believe he could win, plain and simple. Alexander was dominated by Porter (who?) and stopped by Bradley. NOW he beats him a year later, and he is picked by so many dumbasses to beat Floyd?! Floyd will be 38, yes, but come on, man!

To sum it up, Khan has not established himself as a top welterweight, only has given the dumb ones the illusion he is one. He has two decent wins at welterweight, against lower-tier guys. A great start, but not ready for the end.

Like Floyd recently said, he needs to make a name for himself. Only boxing fans know him. Floyd said he is focused and committed to getting a fight done with Pac. That makes Khan cry, I'm sure.

Floyd should fight someone that has not been KTFO by someone, especially since neither Khan or Pac has avenged the KO. Why not give someone else a chance at stardom? Think about it...the list is long for guys that want a shot at Floyd - between 140 and 154. About a hundred guys on the list.

[Taansend]

The thing is though Khan is getting all this publicity for a reason ,, People look at Floyd we know what he is and how good he is ,, The only man put on equal footing with him has been Manny , so OK forget Manny its been done to death and even if it happens its still 4 years to late has far has i'm concerned , if it happens in May , both are slipping and fans from both sides will still argue who would of won in there prime .

Now Khan , the reason he's being mentioned is because it does'nt matter who you look at leaving Pacman out , There is NO ONE who would beat or come close to beating Floyd , , so Kahn , what he has changed is TRAINERS . up till now Khan has been this kid with a 50-50 jaw , who fights on natural skill and courage , but lacks brains , his speed dominates , and then he gets carried away , and knocks himself out ,, yep he runs into punches and bingo lights out charlie .

Khan has been stopped, but they have been perfectly timed, big punches with Khan coming on to them , punches you get caught with in the right spot and your going down no matter who you are .

Where he has changed is , he was with trainers who were having him use his speed and nothing else , he would go in relying on speed to get out or evade punches , and if he got tagged he would forget boxing and allow stupidity and courage to take over , even with Roach he did'nt seem to be learning much .

But Virgil along with maturity , are teaching Khan to be more sensible , hence why people are saying this kid has improved , Now has he improved to the extent he'll beat Mayweather I doubt it .

But he has improved to the extent where people are thinking out of the rest of them , He may be the only one with a chance , because he has the speed thats going to be needed , without that speed your just going to be another run on the board for Floyd , .

But i dunno Floyd likes to set the pace , but given a boxer who can throw punches faster than himself , and move quicker than himself , he will struggle setting the pace , and when he does catch up , with Khan , will he bowl him with one punch , Floyds power is'nt terrific , so unless he does what the others done and catch Khan coming in to ko himself , i doubt he will ,

Because one things for sure , for the biggest fight in his life , with Virgil behind him , Khan will fight to a plan and stick to it . so for me i would'nt be suprised if Khan beat Mayweather ,

But then got KO'D into next month by Porter or Pacman .

And thats what Khan has changed , peoples perception of him and his style towards a fight with Floyd .

Excellent post.

I don't think Khan, or Pacquiao for that matter, beats Mayweather but Khan showed himself to be a lot more mature the other night.

[coneye]

Amir has put on weight.
A shock absorber for his chin perhaps ?

Maybe he has been chewing a lot of bubble gum?

No. Look at the opponents he has faced recently, and that pretty much tells the story.

Khan is 4-2 in his last 6 fights - I won't dwell on his losses

Carlos Molina, a feather-fisted lightweight (135lber)

Julio Diaz, a career lightweight, who fought at welter for 3 fights before having to cut to 142 to fight Khan. Put Khan on his ass, and won the fight according to many experts watching. Diaz was clearly, clearly, past his best.

Collazo, who had not done anything in the last 4 years, and had lost every single big fight he has ever been in....somehow KO's a mentally broken and super-rusty Victor Ortiz. Suddenly Collazo is a top ten welter??? Please!!! He has a lower KO % than Khan, and was NOT the KO threat Goldenboy and Khan lied about him being. Oscar seems as dumb as Khan, or maybe they have some kind of special behind the scenes relationship?

Alexander, who was dominated by a guy (Porter) that was beaten by an even less regarded Brook. Neither were top 10 guys, but I guess can make their case now? Alexander also has a lower KO% than Khan. Surprised?

Khan avoided Alexander last year because he didn't believe he could win, plain and simple. Alexander was dominated by Porter (who?) and stopped by Bradley. NOW he beats him a year later, and he is picked by so many dumbasses to beat Floyd?! Floyd will be 38, yes, but come on, man!

To sum it up, Khan has not established himself as a top welterweight, only has given the dumb ones the illusion he is one. He has two decent wins at welterweight, against lower-tier guys. A great start, but not ready for the end.

Like Floyd recently said, he needs to make a name for himself. Only boxing fans know him. Floyd said he is focused and committed to getting a fight done with Pac. That makes Khan cry, I'm sure.

Floyd should fight someone that has not been KTFO by someone, especially since neither Khan or Pac has avenged the KO. Why not give someone else a chance at stardom? Think about it...the list is long for guys that want a shot at Floyd - between 140 and 154. About a hundred guys on the list.

A lot of good points made there .. But like i said wether its through good marketing , Good boxing , new found maturity it does'nt matter . What Khan has changed about himself , is the perception that he is the only one with the tool for the job regards Floyd . and thats a speed no one else has .

Floyd loves to back off and use angles for defense , a master at making you miss , but if someone is actually quicker , will they still work , Don't know we have never seen anyone in with him who is quicker , so it makes you wonder , what happens when Floyd counter punches if the other guy is quick enough , to not be there and fire back .

Make no bones about it , Floyd has been excellent throughout his carreeer , but like i've said before, for me anyway , his opponents have been taylor made for him, because he's faster , , even the greats like Oscar and Mosley , he fought them AFTER they got old and slow . Floyd has stayed away from ANYONE with speed . .

Wether i'm right or wrong my perception is speed beats Floyd , and Khan has speed , so personaly thats the fight i would want to see , and if Manny does'nt come off it should happen , Not because he deserves it more than others , but because he is the only one with a chance .

[man]

No. Look at the opponents he has faced recently, and that pretty much tells the story.

To sum it up, Khan has not established himself as a top welterweight, only has given the dumb ones the illusion he is one. He has two decent wins at welterweight, against lower-tier guys. A great start, but not ready for the end.

Like Floyd recently said, he needs to make a name for himself. Only boxing fans know him. Floyd said he is focused and committed to getting a fight done with Pac. That makes Khan cry, I'm sure.

Floyd should fight someone that has not been KTFO by someone, especially since neither Khan or Pac has avenged the KO. Why not give someone else a chance at stardom? Think about it...the list is long for guys that want a shot at Floyd - between 140 and 154. About a hundred guys on the list.

khan obviously fought differently. although
alexander couldn't hurt him, amir didn't rush
in. he threw way less and so on and so forth,
things that have pretty much nothing to do
with what alexander did or did not.

saying khan is not a top welterweight probably
depends on the definition of "top". he seems to
be in everybody's top ten, except for haters.com.

saying floyd should not fight anybody who was
knocked out excludes the biggest fight anybody
wants to see.

[Badhusker]

I guess it comes down to who Floyd will duck. Manny or Khan? At this point who really cares.

Most thought he would duck Mosley, who Pac refused to fight until he was clearly faded. Most thought he would duck Canelo, who before the fight said was as fast as Floyd as good as a boxer, and bigger puncher. Not many thought Floyd would fight DLH at 154. (Imagine if Floyd fought DLH at a 147 fight night weight instead of 164, like someone else did)

Floyd avoids or will have trouble with guys that are ___________ than him. Fill in the blank like all his other fights. (faster, stronger, taller, busier, younger, more prime age, south paws, better counter-puncher, etc)

[187]

His mind

[pugilisticprofessor]

He hasn't changed, he fights lefties good, always did, his promoter finally realizes this thus he is 2-0 in his last 2 against them, when he fights another rightie he will look like the same Khan.

[man]

He hasn't changed

you saw the fight?

[pugilisticprofessor]

He hasn't changed

you saw the fight?

Yes, seen all of his fights and no he has not changed.

[palooka]

I think he has changed, I don't think he's going in hoping for a stoppage win and is concentrating on winning a round at a time. He is patient, more disciplined with his hands held high and he seems to be listening to corner instructions. He has dealt with 2 very good, solid welters in good fashion.

[KBB]

Amir has put on weight.
A shock absorber for his chin perhaps ?

Maybe he has been chewing a lot of bubble gum?

No. Look at the opponents he has faced recently, and that pretty much tells the story.

Khan is 4-2 in his last 6 fights - I won't dwell on his losses

Carlos Molina, a feather-fisted lightweight (135lber)

Julio Diaz, a career lightweight, who fought at welter for 3 fights before having to cut to 142 to fight Khan. Put Khan on his ass, and won the fight according to many experts watching. Diaz was clearly, clearly, past his best.

Collazo, who had not done anything in the last 4 years, and had lost every single big fight he has ever been in....somehow KO's a mentally broken and super-rusty Victor Ortiz. Suddenly Collazo is a top ten welter??? Please!!! He has a lower KO % than Khan, and was NOT the KO threat Goldenboy and Khan lied about him being. Oscar seems as dumb as Khan, or maybe they have some kind of special behind the scenes relationship?

Alexander, who was dominated by a guy (Porter) that was beaten by an even less regarded Brook. Neither were top 10 guys, but I guess can make their case now? Alexander also has a lower KO% than Khan. Surprised?

Khan avoided Alexander last year because he didn't believe he could win, plain and simple. Alexander was dominated by Porter (who?) and stopped by Bradley. NOW he beats him a year later, and he is picked by so many dumbasses to beat Floyd?! Floyd will be 38, yes, but come on, man!

To sum it up, Khan has not established himself as a top welterweight, only has given the dumb ones the illusion he is one. He has two decent wins at welterweight, against lower-tier guys. A great start, but not ready for the end.

Like Floyd recently said, he needs to make a name for himself. Only boxing fans know him. Floyd said he is focused and committed to getting a fight done with Pac. That makes Khan cry, I'm sure.

Floyd should fight someone that has not been KTFO by someone, especially since neither Khan or Pac has avenged the KO. Why not give someone else a chance at stardom? Think about it...the list is long for guys that want a shot at Floyd - between 140 and 154. About a hundred guys on the list.

A lot of good points made there .. But like i said wether its through good marketing , Good boxing , new found maturity it does'nt matter . What Khan has changed about himself , is the perception that he is the only one with the tool for the job regards Floyd . and thats a speed no one else has .

Floyd loves to back off and use angles for defense , a master at making you miss , but if someone is actually quicker , will they still work , Don't know we have never seen anyone in with him who is quicker , so it makes you wonder , what happens when Floyd counter punches if the other guy is quick enough , to not be there and fire back .

Make no bones about it , Floyd has been excellent throughout his carreeer , but like i've said before, for me anyway , his opponents have been taylor made for him, because he's faster , , even the greats like Oscar and Mosley , he fought them AFTER they got old and slow . Floyd has stayed away from ANYONE with speed . .

Wether i'm right or wrong my perception is speed beats Floyd , and Khan has speed , so personaly thats the fight i would want to see , and if Manny does'nt come off it should happen , Not because he deserves it more than others , but because he is the only one with a chance .

I disagree with speed beating Floyd because if that's all it took then Judah would've won, but again you guys are acting as if Amir is a total speed demon and cannot be hit or hasn't been; a slower Peterson was beating the brakes off of him and a slower Garcia (both miles slower than Mayweather) was checking his chin all day long.

Mayweather is a master at finding his opponent's weakness, he is the most accurate fighter ever measured in boxing when it comes to + or - ratio on punching or counterpunching his opponents, try not to forget that when you're giving all this credit to Khan who just beat a very basic fighter with limited abilities who lacked any adjustments whatsoever.

All of this BS talk started about Khan improving just because he beat a basic fighter in Devon.

[beatdown337]

Ill say that khan has improved slightly, but I must ask this question.... Did anyone here think that devon had a chance in hell of winning that fight? I posted here before the fight that khan was going to win a wide decision and it really wasn't a question. I bring this up because it seems like after this victory, guys are not acting as though khan has made this evolution and become this dominating fighter. Guys, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED!!!

We often talk of all the talent at 140, but he skipped through that division after losing to 2 of the belt holders, (Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia) and now is crying for a shot at the title after winning 2 fights at 147 when he only has 2 victories (collazo and alexander) over guys who are ranked by boxrec as 35th and 12th respectively.

How much does hand speed count for if you have a glass chin, square yourself up, and rush in against a good counter puncher?

[Rodian]

i dont really see the change other than fighting guys who cant really hurt him. granted Devon is a quality fighter but its not like he reinvented himself. he boxes from the outside with jabs and flurries ocassionally with guys who cant cope with that speed