Matthysse put on a masterpiece

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Beautiful display of boxing by Lucas he mixed it up when needed and used his smarts aswell.

I thought he was gonna get lured into a war but his boxing IQ suprised me today.

Lucas has become the first man to convincingly beat Ruslan who is a fuucking tank.
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I was impressed with how disciplined he was. He had some torrid moments, especially in the second half, but he stayed composed and did what he needed to with his jab, quick combos, and consistent movement.

That's some chin on Ruslan.
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crusader wrote:I was impressed with how disciplined he was. He had some torrid moments, especially in the second half, but he stayed composed and did what he needed to with his jab and quick combos.
Yea at times he stood in the pocket too long but i think a lot of ppl underestimated Lucas chin. He was taking some shots aswell but never went down or just covered up.

Matthysse has been one of my current favorite fighters for a while i would like to see him get that big payday against the Floyd/Manny winner the guy deserves it.
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I thought that out of 3 Provo's previous losses two (against Herrera and Algieri) were robberies, and Bradley fight was a draw. Matthysse won clearly by matching Provo's power and chin and completely outboxing Ruslan. I thought Ruslan won no more than 4 rounds.
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Yea this was clearly Ruslans most decisive loss but man Ruslan is a monster those same shots that he took for 12 rds were the same shots that flattened Peterson with ease.

The hbo team were all over Ruslans nuts it was disguisting you know who they were rooting for.

I also feel that Lucas had Provo hurt in the six pretty good that had he decided to go for the kill he might have been able to force a stoppage but he stuck to his game plan nicely.

Those combos that Matthysse was landing flush on provo might just have ended provo as a top fighter. Those werent Bradley or Algieri type baby shots those were shots that carried one punch ko power in them.
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I was also very impressed with Lucas. I had wondered if something had happened midway in the fight when he seemed to take a round or two off. I noticed Ruslan would drop his head at times and think Lucas hurt his hand hitting the top of Ruslan's head. Lucas got hit with some big shots too that he probably could have avoided, but took them well. I thought Lucas won by 3 or 4 rounds, but judges like big power punches like the ones Ruslan would occasionally land, giving him the round. The punch stats hugely favored Matthysse.
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kidbazooka1 wrote:Beautiful display of boxing by Lucas he mixed it up when needed and used his smarts aswell.

I thought he was gonna get lured into a war but his boxing IQ suprised me today.

Lucas has become the first man to convincingly beat Ruslan who is a fuucking tank.
Agree 100%. Excellent fight, but terrible terrible terrible scoring. When will judges realise the different between effective aggression and just swinging and missing (rhetorical question, of course)? All three scorecards were very poor. One round scored differently on one of the 115-113 cards and Matthysse would have been robbed, and the fact that two of the judges got the right winner is no mitigation.
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I didn't have a horse in this race and I felt that the scoring was great for this one. Twitter poll consisting of thousands scoring the fight round by round had the same score as Harold Letterman, scoring the fight a draw.

The eyeball test clearly showed Matthysse was the better boxer by far and did the most damage. Scoring the fight using the rules of boxing is very different though. You can land 100 punches more than your opponent in one round and only win the round 10-9 (the same score you would get if you barely win a round). Once that round ends, you start fresh again and you don't get credit for any punches prior to that bell ringing.

Matthysse took some rounds off and clearly avoided engagement so judges are always going to give the round to the guy pushing the action in those dull rounds. Trainers should never ever tell a boxer they are winning the fight unless it's beyond obvious. Matthysse had no knockdowns in the fight or any obvious 10-8 rounds so his trainer almost blew it for him. It reminded me of the 3rd Pac/JMM fight when Nacho told his boxer he had it won with 2 rounds left. JMM took foot off the gas and it cost him the fight. It's rookie stuff right there.
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Matthysse v Garcia 2 anyone?
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its still safe to say that Lucas has only one legitimate loss. If his eye didnt close he would of beaten Garcia as well. Really good boxing display by Matthysse though
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As someone who had Provo winning, no way can I get on board with this being some kind of masterpiece for Lucas.

He did box better than usual though.

We'll see if those skills translate against other skilled fighters.
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koolkc107 wrote:As someone who had Provo winning, no way can I get on board with this being some kind of masterpiece for Lucas.

He did box better than usual though.

We'll see if those skills translate against other skilled fighters.
How did you have Prov winning that fight? I had Matthysee winning by 6. I thought he was excellent with the jab, but Prov was also incredibly static. I think he could walk through someone like Lamont Peterson though.

Would like to see Lucas go up against Garcia again, I think it would be completely different second time round.
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Batley18 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:As someone who had Provo winning, no way can I get on board with this being some kind of masterpiece for Lucas.

He did box better than usual though.

We'll see if those skills translate against other skilled fighters.
How did you have Prov winning that fight? I had Matthysee winning by 6. I thought he was excellent with the jab, but Prov was also incredibly static. I think he could walk through someone like Lamont Peterson though.

Would like to see Lucas go up against Garcia again, I think it would be completely different second time round.
Scored it 7-5 Provodnikov.

I had it even after 4, Lucas taking 3 of the next 4 (not sure if I gave 7 or 8 to Ruslan), and Provo sweeping 9 thru 12.

I had it evened up by round 10 and Provo definitely took the last 2.
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This really was a good showing for lucas. His boxing skills looked great, but I honestly believe that had more to do with ruslans lack of boxing ability and come forward style. I don't think the fight was as close as it was scored and although ruslan had his moments, I can understand de la hoya not wanting to make that fight again. Lucas should be able to use this win to catapult him to money fights at 147.
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kidbazooka1 wrote:Beautiful display of boxing by Lucas he mixed it up when needed and used his smarts aswell.

I thought he was gonna get lured into a war but his boxing IQ suprised me today.

Lucas has become the first man to convincingly beat Ruslan who is a fuucking tank.
I wouldn't dare call that a Masterpiece!! Hopkins picking apart Trinidad, that was a Masterpiece!

Floyd destroying Diego Corrales and Gatti, those were Masterpieces!!

This hardly qualifies Matthysse as doing something that is in either class of what those guys did. :roll:
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I had it 118_111 Matthysse,It was a hard fought out domination,everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong :D
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Matthysse's ability to box was the difference in the fight. But that was far from a masterpiece.

I had it same as the judges, 115-113.
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kidbazooka1 wrote:Beautiful display of boxing by Lucas he mixed it up when needed and used his smarts aswell.

I thought he was gonna get lured into a war but his boxing IQ suprised me today.

Lucas has become the first man to convincingly beat Ruslan who is a fuucking tank.
:TU:
he boxed really well and mixed up the power shots, he has a really good jab, I was really Impressed. I was pleased the bout continued after the cut - it did look horrible, Ruslan is a very tough man.
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jockpunk wrote:Matthysse's ability to box was the difference in the fight. But that was far from a masterpiece.

I had it same as the judges, 115-113.
I had no problem with the judges scores. 115-113 either way or even a draw is how the fight was.

Don't understand how anyone had Lucas taking 8 or 9 rounds.

To me, that means he was given one or two rounds where Provo blasted him and had him hurt.
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jockpunk wrote:Matthysse's ability to box was the difference in the fight. But that was far from a masterpiece.

I had it same as the judges, 115-113.
I'm a huge fan of both fighters and was rooting for Lucas, but yah..that was no masterpiece.....

there were some rounds that Prov came on strong the last 30 seconds and got a little more credit than he deserved. I had it 8-4 for Lucas.
Can't wait to see both fighters again. Ruslan needs a break after that though
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Ruslan had short spells of success in the bout and his heavy shots did affect Lucas, for the most part though he was getting hit time and time again and Lucas kept his hands high. Are there any punch stats available?
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ctcatz wrote:its still safe to say that Lucas has only one legitimate loss. If his eye didnt close he would of beaten Garcia as well. Really good boxing display by Matthysse though
If Lucas cant get a fight with Floyd or manny next then i would also like to see him avenge the Danny loss.

I to believe it would be a different fight now.
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kidbazooka1 wrote:
ctcatz wrote:its still safe to say that Lucas has only one legitimate loss. If his eye didnt close he would of beaten Garcia as well. Really good boxing display by Matthysse though
If Lucas cant get a fight with Floyd or manny next then i would also like to see him avenge the Danny loss.

I to believe it would be a different fight now.
LOL to LM fighting Floyd or Manny when he cannot even get passed Garcia or barely scrapes by Provo.
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KBB wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:Beautiful display of boxing by Lucas he mixed it up when needed and used his smarts aswell.

I thought he was gonna get lured into a war but his boxing IQ suprised me today.

Lucas has become the first man to convincingly beat Ruslan who is a fuucking tank.
I wouldn't dare call that a Masterpiece!! Hopkins picking apart Trinidad, that was a Masterpiece!

Floyd destroying Diego Corrales and Gatti, those were Masterpieces!!

This hardly qualifies Matthysse as doing something that is in either class of what those guys did. :roll:
Ill give you the tito and Corrales wins but the floyd v gatti fight hell no.

Unlike Floyd/gatti lucas v ruslan was a 50/50 fight who most believed lucas wouldn't be able to stick to boxing if needed, yet he did like he's never done before against a guy in ruslan who is considered the most dangerous guy in the division who ppl were saying was gonna stop him.

Floyd/gatti was nothing special anyone who knows the game knew and expected Floyd to do what he did against a super limited aging fighter who could never match the skills of a mayweather.

The Floyd/gatti fight was a mismatch from the get go.

Lucas v ruslan was one of the most evenly matched and anticipated fights this year.
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KBB wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:
ctcatz wrote:its still safe to say that Lucas has only one legitimate loss. If his eye didnt close he would of beaten Garcia as well. Really good boxing display by Matthysse though
If Lucas cant get a fight with Floyd or manny next then i would also like to see him avenge the Danny loss.

I to believe it would be a different fight now.
LOL to LM fighting Floyd or Manny when he cannot even get passed Garcia or barely scrapes by Provo.
Judging from your past post i can tell your not a fan of Matthysse.
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