Pac-May cornermen

[MP]

Just curious, could anyone hear what Roach or Mayweather Sr were saying the their fighters in between rounds? I couldn't hear anything with the group that I was with.

I'm wondering if Roach ever said anything like "you need to pick it up Manny. He's winning rounds if your not aggressive enough". Or if Mayweather Sr said "This is your time for greatness, Floyd. Show the world and land a strong right and close him out".

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I do remember some-one from the commentary team say they heard Floyd Sr say in between round's to Floyd Jr you are fighting like your scared
then a round or two later I heard like every-one else Floyd Sr say to Floyd Jr whats wrong with you man......... :??

[MP]

Thanks for the reply. I heard from someone else that his Dad was giving him a hard time and asking why he wasn't going for it. I'm glad to see that his corner was atleast pushing him.

I have no idea what the other corner was saying... probably something about "all this cash that we're making...".

[kidbazooka1]

I to heard Floyd sr. Upset with floyd saying he's fighting scared.

And surprisingly Floyd sr. Also said after the fight that he thought it was alot closer than the judges scored it.

This all from Floyds dad now you know if his own pops wasnt happy about how he fought it was really a shiity performance by lil floyd.

[NateJR]

I to heard Floyd sr. Upset with floyd saying he's fighting scared.

And surprisingly Floyd sr. Also said after the fight that he thought it was alot closer than the judges scored it.

This all from Floyds dad now you know if his own pops wasnt happy about how he fought it was really a shiity performance by lil floyd.

The first part is true.. The second part you took out of context. First off Floyd Sr. was only getting on Floyd because you never what the judges are watching. It was clear as day Floyd was winning the fight, but you just never know if the judges are looking at these missed flurries Pacquiao was throwing and scoring them. Floyd Sr. said he thought Floyd was winning clearly, just didn't trust the judges and what they were watching so wanted Floyd to do more to leave no doubt.

[kidbazooka1]

I to heard Floyd sr. Upset with floyd saying he's fighting scared.

And surprisingly Floyd sr. Also said after the fight that he thought it was alot closer than the judges scored it.

This all from Floyds dad now you know if his own pops wasnt happy about how he fought it was really a shiity performance by lil floyd.

The first part is true.. The second part you took out of context. First off Floyd Sr. was only getting on Floyd because you never what the judges are watching. It was clear as day Floyd was winning the fight, but you just never know if the judges are looking at these missed flurries Pacquiao was throwing and scoring them. Floyd Sr. said he thought Floyd was winning clearly, just didn't trust the judges and what they were watching so wanted Floyd to do more to leave no doubt.

No.

There is an interview where Sr. Said he felt the fight was closer than scored.

Also Floyd did not win any fight he won the contest that's it.

If Floyd would have fought he would have lost.

Floyd won on defense like he usually does.

[NateJR]

I to heard Floyd sr. Upset with floyd saying he's fighting scared.

And surprisingly Floyd sr. Also said after the fight that he thought it was alot closer than the judges scored it.

This all from Floyds dad now you know if his own pops wasnt happy about how he fought it was really a shiity performance by lil floyd.

The first part is true.. The second part you took out of context. First off Floyd Sr. was only getting on Floyd because you never what the judges are watching. It was clear as day Floyd was winning the fight, but you just never know if the judges are looking at these missed flurries Pacquiao was throwing and scoring them. Floyd Sr. said he thought Floyd was winning clearly, just didn't trust the judges and what they were watching so wanted Floyd to do more to leave no doubt.

No.

There is an interview where Sr. Said he felt the fight was closer than scored.

Also Floyd did not win any fight he won the contest that's it.

If Floyd would have fought he would have lost.

Floyd won on defense like he usually does.

No. He said he thought the scorecards were closer because he thought the judges would be scoring those missed flurries by Pacquiao.

You can spin it how ever you want, Floyd won the fight.

[kidbazooka1]

Nate there is no spinning it that was no fight.

It was one guy avoiding a fight and another just posing.

If you call that a fight than brother you have some low standards when it comes to fighting.

[Badhusker]

That's why it is called boxing and not street fighting.

[Hounddawg]

That's why it is called boxing and not street fighting.

You know, at some point, people are going to reflect back on this fight and say, damn that was the guy we said was the P4P 1 fighter in the world running away for 12 entire rounds against a much smaller man, who quite obviously was trying to make the fight at some point in each and every round.

I agree the term "Hit and not get hit is boxing" but there's an obvious difference from an Ali to Floyd model.
Really disappointing outcome in my opinion for the "Fight of the century", fans and plain lonely people will squabble over he hit 3 more times in round 2, 4 and 6, but in reality I've seen the real fighters of the last 70 years or so, and clearly it showed that we have had it wrong all along.

For arguments sake, I will favour no fighter, but say this, Floyd had skid marks in his trunks, judges will earn a bigger paycheck for his next fight, Ref's will never stop Floyd from use of the elbow, or grabbing on the ropes without warning, and Vegas will cash in on Floyd's last fight.

Pac should have learn't from the Bradley 1 fight, fight the entire 12 rounds, but give the guy the credit for wanting to shoot it out every time he pinned Floyd. Unfortunate for Pac, his reach, height and pride was no match for Floyds given reach, height and ability to smartly realize that he couldn't go toe to toe, he couldn't trade middle ring, but his jab could hit Manny maybe 3 or 4 times on the run, when Manny closed the distance.

I give you the 2010 onwards apparent P4P fighter of the world, what an exciting fighter. Robinson,Lamotta,Louis, Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Leonard,Hagler,Jones jnr, and now apparently in the same sentence.... something just doesn't seem right, to honestly say that fight between the 2 best was the best that both could give. Honestly felt the world got raped figuratively.

[punchoutsb]

Sr. gave Jr. a MUCH better fight than Pac did

[koolkc107]

That's why it is called boxing and not street fighting.

You know, at some point, people are going to reflect back on this fight and say, damn that was the guy we said was the P4P 1 fighter in the world running away for 12 entire rounds against a much smaller man, who quite obviously was trying to make the fight at some point in each and every round.

I agree the term "Hit and not get hit is boxing" but there's an obvious difference from an Ali to Floyd model.
Really disappointing outcome in my opinion for the "Fight of the century", fans and plain lonely people will squabble over he hit 3 more times in round 2, 4 and 6, but in reality I've seen the real fighters of the last 70 years or so, and clearly it showed that we have had it wrong all along.

For arguments sake, I will favour no fighter, but say this, Floyd had skid marks in his trunks, judges will earn a bigger paycheck for his next fight, Ref's will never stop Floyd from use of the elbow, or grabbing on the ropes without warning, and Vegas will cash in on Floyd's last fight.

Pac should have learn't from the Bradley 1 fight, fight the entire 12 rounds, but give the guy the credit for wanting to shoot it out every time he pinned Floyd. Unfortunate for Pac, his reach, height and pride was no match for Floyds given reach, height and ability to smartly realize that he couldn't go toe to toe, he couldn't trade middle ring, but his jab could hit Manny maybe 3 or 4 times on the run, when Manny closed the distance.

I give you the 2010 onwards apparent P4P fighter of the world, what an exciting fighter. Robinson,Lamotta,Louis, Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Leonard,Hagler,Jones jnr, and now apparently in the same sentence.... something just doesn't seem right, to honestly say that fight between the 2 best was the best that both could give. Honestly felt the world got raped figuratively.

I disagree.

When boxing people look at this fight it will be as the blueprint for what a smart fighter can do to neutralize a big puncher.

It will be viewed in the future the same way folks look at Willie Pep and Nicolino Locche now.

That was a clinic. The vast majority of people IN BOXING say so.

And, if the world got raped, only one of the guys is responsible and it isn't Mayweather.

[KBB]

Sr. gave Jr. a MUCH better fight than Pac did

I agree with this and the reason why you didn't hear much from Roach is because HBO knew he wasn't going to have much of a gameplan to beat Floyd.

Manny was boring because he did nothing, even when Floyd was right in front of him.

[ikorolev]

Sr. gave Jr. a MUCH better fight than Pac did

I agree with this and the reason why you didn't hear much from Roach is because HBO knew he wasn't going to have much of a gameplan to beat Floyd.

Manny was boring because he did nothing, even when Floyd was right in front of him.

Marquez KO and possibly his shoulder made Manny too cautious. The only way for him to beat Floyd was to take risks, but he was afraid to.

[KBB]

Sr. gave Jr. a MUCH better fight than Pac did

I agree with this and the reason why you didn't hear much from Roach is because HBO knew he wasn't going to have much of a gameplan to beat Floyd.

Manny was boring because he did nothing, even when Floyd was right in front of him.

Marquez KO and possibly his shoulder made Manny too cautious. The only way for him to beat Floyd was to take risks, but he was afraid to.

I seriously doubt the shoulder had anything to do with it at all, Manny landed a few bombs, never winced or gave any indication whatsoever of his so called "shoulder injury".

Floyd fought with two hurt shoulders, hurt hands and a bad back as put out today but didn't mention anything about it.

I agree that the JMM KO was playing fears in the back of his mind but that was mostly because Manny knows he doesn't know how to avoid a right hand seeing how easy it was all of the following were able to hit him so easily with theirs, one had to know that Mayweather would do the same and more accurately being the most accurate fighter in the sport.

Clottey, JMM, Bradley and Algieri all tagged Manny virtually anytime they threw their right hand shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia00QxwfHxE

[Hounddawg]

That's why it is called boxing and not street fighting.

You know, at some point, people are going to reflect back on this fight and say, damn that was the guy we said was the P4P 1 fighter in the world running away for 12 entire rounds against a much smaller man, who quite obviously was trying to make the fight at some point in each and every round.

I agree the term "Hit and not get hit is boxing" but there's an obvious difference from an Ali to Floyd model.
Really disappointing outcome in my opinion for the "Fight of the century", fans and plain lonely people will squabble over he hit 3 more times in round 2, 4 and 6, but in reality I've seen the real fighters of the last 70 years or so, and clearly it showed that we have had it wrong all along.

For arguments sake, I will favour no fighter, but say this, Floyd had skid marks in his trunks, judges will earn a bigger paycheck for his next fight, Ref's will never stop Floyd from use of the elbow, or grabbing on the ropes without warning, and Vegas will cash in on Floyd's last fight.

Pac should have learn't from the Bradley 1 fight, fight the entire 12 rounds, but give the guy the credit for wanting to shoot it out every time he pinned Floyd. Unfortunate for Pac, his reach, height and pride was no match for Floyds given reach, height and ability to smartly realize that he couldn't go toe to toe, he couldn't trade middle ring, but his jab could hit Manny maybe 3 or 4 times on the run, when Manny closed the distance.

I give you the 2010 onwards apparent P4P fighter of the world, what an exciting fighter. Robinson,Lamotta,Louis, Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Leonard,Hagler,Jones jnr, and now apparently in the same sentence.... something just doesn't seem right, to honestly say that fight between the 2 best was the best that both could give. Honestly felt the world got raped figuratively.

I disagree.

When boxing people look at this fight it will be as the blueprint for what a smart fighter can do to neutralize a big puncher.

It will be viewed in the future the same way folks look at Willie Pep and Nicolino Locche now.

That was a clinic. The vast majority of people IN BOXING say so.

And, if the world got raped, only one of the guys is responsible and it isn't Mayweather.

It wasn't Mayweather, so it has to be Pacman???? Hmmm the blame game, well the only guy who looked like making the fight was Pac, the only guy who looked like he got hurt was Mayweather, the only guy running, again was Mayweather.

Clinic, I don't know about that, have to disagree, the term "Clinic" is my opinion reference to when 2 fighters were clearly illustrated as being in different leagues as 1 clearly showed he was the "Alpha". This was no way shape or form the case here.

Look I argue not about who won or who the loser was, just the sport needs a superman to draw new people into the sport, and we appoint Mayweather, and this apparent protection of the "undefeated 0". Marciano retired undefeated but thrilled crowds and people, i'm sure people will disagree or misunderstand what i'm saying. However the public vote ( The average fan as we say) and it stunk!

[koolkc107]

It was a clinic.

8 rounds to 4 or 10 rounds to 2 in a fight many expected to be close is a clinic.

And it was Manny's fault.

Floyd is a defensive fighter, Manny an offensive one.

We expected to see both guys shine at what they were good at.

Only one did, and the reason for that is the defensive guy's skill completely neutralized the offensive guy's attack.

Manny has found away to land hellacious shots on some of the best fighters ever to do it, stopping many of them.

Against Floyd?

Zilch.

What happened to Roach's gameplan? What happened to "Floyd is slowing down, it will be easy to hit him."?

What happened to all the angles, the punches in combination coming so fast and from so many awkward angles Floyd could not possible defense them all?

Floyd Mayweather happened, that's what.

He made arguably the greatest offensive fighter of this era look like a club fighter.

Give him his props or at least have more class than your idol and just stay silent.

[LakotaNation]

Floyd's father is NOT a trainer. He didn't give any tactical advice, help Floyd make some adjustments, etc. He just yelled stupid shit at him like a GRUMPY OLD MAN. My hat's off to Pretty Boy for basically beating Pac without a real cornerman behind him.

[Pureist]

if you listen carefully between one of the middle rounds snr says to floyd your giving this fight away, he wouldnt say that unless he thought it was close and the only clinic on the day was held by lomachenko who has a great balance of defence and then turns it into attack, thats boxing, not hit and run like floyd is an expert at

[Badhusker]

if you listen carefully between one of the middle rounds snr says to floyd your giving this fight away, he wouldnt say that unless he thought it was close and the only clinic on the day was held by lomachenko who has a great balance of defence and then turns it into attack, thats boxing, not hit and run like floyd is an expert at

Floyd Sr. was smart telling Floyd to step it up. We have all seen some really poor judging lately. About half of Pac's punches landed were in a few flurries when Floyd was on the ropes covering up. None of them landed other than on his arms or gloves, but some judges score those as good clean punches.

Pac and his shoulder excuse still makes me laugh. And he thought he won the fight was a good one too.

[craigjenkins05]

Love people saying floyd ran and won on defends when he threw and landed more shots

[Pureist]

if you listen carefully between one of the middle rounds snr says to floyd your giving this fight away, he wouldnt say that unless he thought it was close and the only clinic on the day was held by lomachenko who has a great balance of defence and then turns it into attack, thats boxing, not hit and run like floyd is an expert at

Floyd Sr. was smart telling Floyd to step it up. We have all seen some really poor judging lately. About half of Pac's punches landed were in a few flurries when Floyd was on the ropes covering up. None of them landed other than on his arms or gloves, but some judges score those as good clean punches.

Pac and his shoulder excuse still makes me laugh. And he thought he won the fight was a good one too.

yeah we have seen some poor judging lately and that fight was no different

[caldo2025]

I had ZERO respect for Floyd Sr going into this fight because i've never seen Floyd take any noteworthy advice from any cornerman. But, i have to admit that Floyd Sr may have won this fight for his son. Not only did the fight turn on a dime after Sr yelled at Jr for fighting scared but SR urged Floyd to throw that check left hook for 3 rounds before he employed it. When Floyd finally started using it, it was the difference in the fight. Manny had no answer for that. My vote goes to Floyd Sr over Roach.

[Badhusker]

I had ZERO respect for Floyd Sr going into this fight because i've never seen Floyd take any noteworthy advice from any cornerman. But, i have to admit that Floyd Sr may have won this fight for his son. Not only did the fight turn on a dime after Sr yelled at Jr for fighting scared but SR urged Floyd to throw that check left hook for 3 rounds before he employed it. When Floyd finally started using it, it was the difference in the fight. Manny had no answer for that. My vote goes to Floyd Sr over Roach.

Do you really think it would matter who is in Floyd's corner at this point in his career? He could have had Justin Beiber and done just as well. He doesn't need any noteworthy advice. I do think Sr. was right telling him to step it up and go after him. The fans would have liked that too.

[caldo2025]

I had ZERO respect for Floyd Sr going into this fight because i've never seen Floyd take any noteworthy advice from any cornerman. But, i have to admit that Floyd Sr may have won this fight for his son. Not only did the fight turn on a dime after Sr yelled at Jr for fighting scared but SR urged Floyd to throw that check left hook for 3 rounds before he employed it. When Floyd finally started using it, it was the difference in the fight. Manny had no answer for that. My vote goes to Floyd Sr over Roach.

Do you really think it would matter who is in Floyd's corner at this point in his career? He could have had Justin Beiber and done just as well. He doesn't need any noteworthy advice. I do think Sr. was right telling him to step it up and go after him. The fans would have liked that too.

Ridiculous statement. I'm not a FloydBoy and even i know noticed that Sr was begging his son to use that left hook for rounds. Once he did, the fight took a turn and it was over. It neutralized the "angles" Manny was promising all night. Watch the fight again before making a dumb comment like that. Floyd's the cheapest man in the world, do you think he'd pay someone a percentage if he didn't have to? Please. Floyd Sr. deservers a lot of credit for what he did in there that night and his Son also admits in post fight comments. Silly question bro.