John Ryder: a touch unlucky or exposed?

[palooka]

Ryder obviously got stopped Saturday night by Blackwell. Right until the barrage that ended the bout John had looked as good as I'd seen him; he was moving well, punching in combination and landing hard shots.

Was John a touch unlucky? Was Nick a little lucky? Does Ryder belong in the mix at British level and would Nick do well v Eubamk Jnr?

[ShadrachSimmo]

Don't think he was unlucky he was winning the fight and boxing well then he got hurt, that's boxing.

The controversy surrounding the stoppage was obviously the big topic. But he can come again. Blackwell is s decent fighter rematch would be good to see.

[Old bones Ian]

Nothing lucky about Blackwells win, he just timed a couple of punches right.
The stoppage looked slightly early, but no real protests from Ryders corner. He can come again no doubt, Blackwell did from his stoppage to Murray.

[Loftgroov]

I like both fighters and it was a good fight. For me Ryder has the class and more skills. Blackwell is just fit as feck and has a full tank of gas.

It looked like Ryder had too much for him but that's boxing I guess. Good on Blackwell, but I wouldn't have any major confidence in him winning a rematch.

[rd350lc]

either way it was a fantastic fight and only just behind Mitchell / Linares for fight of the night for me , would love to see it again and think both are euro level for sure

[handsofstone]

Ryder was looking good although I thought Malignaggi(who I thinks a great analyst) was maybe too kind with his praise, but he was in control until he got buzzed and he was badly hurt and even though I thought the ref stepped in too early, especially as Blackwell didn't land anything after Foster let them continue, as I said John was in serious trouble and I'm pretty confident Nick was about to stop him legit

You gotta take your hat off to Nick Blackwell

[Webbo911]

No, don't think he was unlucky. If they rematch I think Blackwell stops him again, maybe just later in the fight this time.

Blackwell took a while to get into his stride, but he was starting to find his range a bit before he caught him with the big shots.

Ryder is undoubtedly more talented, I just think Blackwell is the type of guy who will always catch up with him.

[kamicazze]

Blackwell has had a hard apprenticeship. He has been matched in 50/50 or even matches against the odds early meaning he had mixed in far better company than Ryder. That ultimately was the difference.

[The Insider]

When Ryder got cut I thought was the turning point. It seemed to trouble John and Blackwell then stopped trying to outbox Ryder and went back to fighting and pressuring his opponent. No problem with the stoppage Ryder had gone.

[keirw]

Not unlucky or exposed.
He was boxing really well but his defence let him down and he got caught with some good shots and wasn't able to recover, obviously having never been in trouble before, he didn't know how to survive.
Credit to both lads, two very good young fighters in a very good fight, a rematch would be more than welcome

[Yes We Can]

There is nothing remotely lucky about Blackwell's career. Ryder was boxing nicely, especially for the first 3 rounds but Sky were massively over estimating his work and completely ignoring anything Blackwell was doing in there until it became obvious he was well in the fight.

Ryder is of a very similar level to Nick, and will definitely win a British title at some point but will need very good guidance to go further. I think Blackwell would win a rematch, he's improving all the time and has got one of the best trainers going by his side going forward, I'd like to see him fight Bursak, Etches and Khomitsky prior to a rematch.

[whiskey]

Blackwell connected with about 16 glancing punches after Ryder was wobbled.

They might not have done any damage, so Ryder didn't hold or take a knee - and that unfortunately was his own downfall.

Taking nothing away from Nick, but Foster gave us another 75% ending.

That was my gut feeling as it happened live, and what I will stick to.

[Yes We Can]

Blackwell connected with about 16 glancing punches after Ryder was wobbled.

They might not have done any damage, so Ryder didn't hold or take a knee - and that unfortunately was his own downfall.

Taking nothing away from Nick, but Foster gave us another 75% ending.

That was my gut feeling as it happened live, and what I will stick to.

he looked in much worse condition 10-15 seconds before thats for certain, referees are so much more cautious now than even a few years back.

[ste1983]

Nothing wrong with the stoppage for me, it only seemed to be Adam Smith complaining about it. Wonder if he would have been complaining so much if it was in favour of the Matchroom fighter? Doubtful, really getting sick of Sky's biased commentary. Everything they say seems to be geared towards a preadvised script handed over by Eddie.

[Webbo911]

Nothing wrong with the stoppage for me, it only seemed to be Adam Smith complaining about it. Wonder if he would have been complaining so much if it was in favour of the Matchroom fighter? Doubtful, really getting sick of Sky's biased commentary. Everything they say seems to be geared towards a preadvised script handed over by Eddie.

Agreed. Maybe Malignaggi got the memo as well. Ryder boxed well in the early rounds but Paulie was really pissing his pants about his early work.

[Webbo911]

There is nothing remotely lucky about Blackwell's career. Ryder was boxing nicely, especially for the first 3 rounds but Sky were massively over estimating his work and completely ignoring anything Blackwell was doing in there until it became obvious he was well in the fight.

Ryder is of a very similar level to Nick, and will definitely win a British title at some point but will need very good guidance to go further. I think Blackwell would win a rematch, he's improving all the time and has got one of the best trainers going by his side going forward, I'd like to see him fight Bursak, Etches and Khomitsky prior to a rematch.

Would be nice to see him avenge the loss to Bursak and the draw with Khomitsky. Would like to see him win the British title out right first.

I think if Etches couldn't hurt Blackwell early he'd quickly run out of ideas and get stopped around the halfway mark.

Lewis Taylor would be a decent first defence if he can win the English title in his next fight.

[ste1983]

Nothing wrong with the stoppage for me, it only seemed to be Adam Smith complaining about it. Wonder if he would have been complaining so much if it was in favour of the Matchroom fighter? Doubtful, really getting sick of Sky's biased commentary. Everything they say seems to be geared towards a preadvised script handed over by Eddie.

Agreed. Maybe Malignaggi got the memo as well. Ryder boxed well in the early rounds but Paulie was really pissing his pants about his early work.

Oh yeah to be fair to Malignaggi think that was just more a US/UK thing they do tend to let fights go on longer over there.

[Webbo911]

Nothing wrong with the stoppage for me, it only seemed to be Adam Smith complaining about it. Wonder if he would have been complaining so much if it was in favour of the Matchroom fighter? Doubtful, really getting sick of Sky's biased commentary. Everything they say seems to be geared towards a preadvised script handed over by Eddie.

Agreed. Maybe Malignaggi got the memo as well. Ryder boxed well in the early rounds but Paulie was really pissing his pants about his early work.

Oh yeah to be fair to Malignaggi think that was just more a US/UK thing they do tend to let fights go on longer over there.

I actually really like Malignaggi as a commentator/pundit. He can go overboard at times but on the whole he's very good. Bright, insightful and seems to know his stuff.

Was gutted when Watt too over the over night.

[ste1983]

Yeah you had Watt taking over for Malignaggi and Jamie Moore (whos been used in the past) on a different channel. Sky really need to change who they use, Watt and Hawling gotta go for me. Use Jamie Moore, Alex Arthur a lot more.

[ShadrachSimmo]

How many times did Malinaggi say "not just physically, but also mentally" etc...?

[misterpunch]

I reckon ryder's lack of ring experience is the big factor here. if he'd had more fights under his belt - he'll be 27 in a few weeks and he has only had 20 fights - he might have known how to cope with the cut and what to do when in trouble. these things you cant teach - they come with experience.
I hope john comes back stronger and wiser

[TheCobra]

Stoppage was too soon, another Howard Foster special. It's easy to say 'oh it would have been stopped 15 seconds later' but that's not what the sport of boxing should be about.

[jimcook]

ryder couldve weathered that storm, but as previous poster said , he will learn a lot from that. maybe he took his toughness and durability for granted, but im sure he will fight a bit smarter from now on.

[chiggsy]

It was a poor stoppage from a proven incompetent referee.

I think blackwell would have stopped him in that round anyway but what foster does by jumping in too soon is not only steal the chance away from the hurt fighter to get back into the fight but also robs the fighter on top of a conclusive victory.

It also leaves the paying fans very annoyed and gives fuel to moaning f**kers like me to come on here and make my feelings known.

[expe]

It was a poor stoppage from a proven incompetent referee.

I think blackwell would have stopped him in that round anyway but what foster does by jumping in too soon is not only steal the chance away from the hurt fighter to get back into the fight but also robs the fighter on top of a conclusive victory.

It also leaves the paying fans very annoyed and gives fuel to moaning f**kers like me to come on here and make my feelings known.

Ryder was wobbled badly, then took a succession of clean shots before staggering backwards into the ropes with his hands down, at no point did he attempt to defend himself or hold on and at times he looked like he didn't know where he was.