Jerry Quarry vs

[yancey]

Jimmy Young
Ernie Shavers
Ken Norton

Everybody is prime and the fights are 15 rounds. What happens?

[Ambling Alp II]

Young is the hardest to say. Going with Jimmy by competitive yet clear decision.
The other two are easy.
Quarry TKO 1 Shavers
Norton TKO 5 Quarry

[yancey]

Young is the hardest to say. Going with Jimmy by competitive yet clear decision.
The other two are easy.
Quarry TKO 1 Shavers
Norton TKO 5 Quarry

I think Quarry at his best is very viable against Norton. Jerry was well past it when they actually fought. No way does prime Quarry get taken out in 5.

And I forgot that Jerry and Ernie did meet up.

As far as Young and Quarry goes, I'm guessing that Jimmy would find a way to win and Jerry would find a way to blow it.

[Ambling Alp II]

I never bought the argument that Quarry was well past it. He was actually younger than Norton, and was still rated pretty highly going into the fight. If they fought again, maybe Quarry does better, but he is usually going to lose this fight. Norton was simply the better fighter.
Almost anything could happen in a Shavers fight. If they fought 5 times, Shavers would win once or twice.
Quarry had a little better overall career, but Young at this best was really tough to beat.

[Tony1244]

Jimmy Young Wins split decision over Quarry. One of the judges is named O'Malley.

[L.A. kidd]

I never bought the argument that Quarry was well past it. He was actually younger than Norton, and was still rated pretty highly going into the fight. If they fought again, maybe Quarry does better, but he is usually going to lose this fight. Norton was simply the better fighter.
Almost anything could happen in a Shavers fight. If they fought 5 times, Shavers would win once or twice.
Quarry had a little better overall career, but Young at this best was really tough to beat.

I beg to differ about Norton being a greater fighter than jerry quarry, in the fight quarry was out of shape, really out of shape, and still he almost kayoed Norton, I think a quarry in his prime and in top shape would have taken out Norton.

[Ambling Alp II]

He was a better fighter that Quarry. Look at their overall careers.
Quarry didn't look out of shape and even if he was, it's own problem, not Norton's.
He did not almost knock out Norton.

[Caractacus]

Looked to me like Ken Norton may have been on the verge of collapse
when the ref stopped the fight with seven more rounds scheduled.
If Quarry had just manage to just slip or duck even a quarter of those big haymakers of Norton that had landed.

[Ambling Alp II]

On the verge of collapse? huh?
Norton beat the crap out of him. Quarry wasn't exactly known for slipping punches.

[Caractacus]

Just for the record,that fight(Norton vrs Quarry) was on the same closed-circut broadcast as Muhammad Ali vrs Chuck Wepner.
Quarry had taken the fight with just 10 days notice.
(it originally was supposed to be Norton vrs Oscar Bonavena.
also Ken Norton referred to this fight in his autobiography
as the best performence of his boxing career.

[hhaehre]

He was a better fighter that Quarry. Look at their overall careers.
Quarry didn't look out of shape and even if he was, it's own problem, not Norton's.
He did not almost knock out Norton.

Career-wise I think they are fairly close but Norton did beat Ali and that counts for a lot. As for Quarry in the Norton fight I think he looked very much out of shape, he took the fight on very short notice and was gasping for air after two rounds. I think prime Quarry (Frazier 1 version) would have beaten Norton, Quarry took a punch better and that would have made the difference imo.

[yancey]

He was a better fighter that Quarry. Look at their overall careers.
Quarry didn't look out of shape and even if he was, it's own problem, not Norton's.
He did not almost knock out Norton.

Career-wise I think they are fairly close but Norton did beat Ali and that counts for a lot. As for Quarry in the Norton fight I think he looked very much out of shape, he took the fight on very short notice and was gasping for air after two rounds. I think prime Quarry (Frazier 1 version) would have beaten Norton, Quarry took a punch better and that would have made the difference imo.

Agree, 1969 Quarry takes Norton.

A battle of very goods.

[cfang]

I really like Quarry - very underated and capable of giving anyone trouble. However, norton was a better/greater fighter. Just his fights against Ali and Holmes are enough really.

[Ambling Alp II]

It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

[hhaehre]

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

It's not really a crybaby excuse to say that Quarry was out of shape, he simply was. Quarry had seen better days but he was not washed up, Norton was probably in his absolute prime. It is perfectly ok to think that 69 Quarry could have beaten 75 Norton. I will happily grant you that Quarry had stamina problems throughout his career. I wouldn't bet the farm on 69 Quarry either but I think he could have beaten Norton. It's a close call either way.

[Caractacus]

I think it was 10 ten days to actually train for it.

[yancey]

It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

The notion that Quarry was still a "highly regarded contender" in March of 1975 is absolute bull crap.

Nearly Quarry's entire family begged Quarry to quit following his June, 1974 beat down by a diminished Joe Frazier. Quarry was done at that point.

Just because someone keeps boxing and promoters keep offering deals and the press hypes things to help a promotion does not mean someone is still a valid contender.

[Caractacus]

In his autobiography,Ken Norton said that Jerry Quarry was the only fighter he had fought in anger and had actually tried to hurt.
What was Ken Norton's beef with Jerry Quarry anyway?

[Caractacus]

Ken Norton was ranked #4 and Jerry Quarry was ranked #5 going into that fight.

BTW Not that it matters to you and not to make excuses ,but after his second loss to Joe Frazier in 1974,Quarry started using cocaine
and some other substance abuse problems and (according to Jerry Quarry himself)was actually drunk when he recieved
the phone call to be a last minute replacement on the Ali/Wepner closed-circuit fight.

[yancey]

Ken Norton was ranked #4 and Jerry Quarry was ranked #5 going into that fight.

BTW Not that it matters to you and not to make excuses ,but after his second loss to Joe Frazier in 1974,Quarry started using cocaine
and some other substance abuse problems and (according to Jerry Quarry himself)was actually drunk when he recieved
the phone call to be a last minute replacement on the Ali/Wepner closed-circuit fight.

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[yancey]

Ken Norton was ranked #4 and Jerry Quarry was ranked #5 going into that fight.

BTW Not that it matters to you and not to make excuses ,but after his second loss to Joe Frazier in 1974,Quarry started using cocaine
and some other substance abuse problems and (according to Jerry Quarry himself)was actually drunk when he recieved
the phone call to be a last minute replacement on the Ali/Wepner closed-circuit fight.

Screw the ratings. I just knew someone was going to bring them up.

Quarry was a shot fighter after the second fight with Frazier. Watch that fight. He was done.

His family wanted him to quit and they were right.

Let me ask this. Why in hell would such a "highly regarded contender", presumably carefully plotting his way to a title fight, take a fight on 10 day notice???

Might it be because in truth he was no longer such a "highly regarded contender" and had to do things the way others wanted?

Jerry probably needed the money. He was still a big name and he got used. And he had no freaking business being in the ring with Norton that night.

[scartissue]

In his autobiography,Ken Norton said that Jerry Quarry was the only fighter he had fought in anger and had actually tried to hurt.
What was Ken Norton's beef with Jerry Quarry anyway?

The beef he had with Quarry was a matter of pride. Quarry had regularly schooled Norton at the Main St. Gym in L.A. in the years prior to this. In fact a friend of mine actually saw Quarry knock him cold during one of their sessions. Quarry was rough on his sparring partners. And that included his younger brother Mike. Although smaller, Jerry thumped on him they way he did Norton. This same friend of mine who saw the Norton thumping in L.A. also saw Jerry sparring with light heavyweight Ray 'Windmill' White. He said that Jerry was unusually non-violent towards Windmill and taking it easy with him until Ray had the audacity to catch Jerry with one of his patented 'behind-the-back' punches in a clinch. Apparently embarrassed, Jerry tore into the hapless Windmill and left him in a heap in a corner with broken ribs. Y'know, reading some of these posts - and everyone makes a valid point - but it comes down to opinion. Although around the same age, their respective primes did not coincide. Norton peaked at a later age and Jerry younger. The Quarry prime was around the Frazier fight, we'll say '68-'70 and Kenny's prime was around the '74-'76. If I was picking from those two eras I would probably go with Quarry. I liked his sharpness of counter-punch back then. But either way one would be looking at a great fight. Better than what was served up in '75.

[Ambling Alp II]

It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

The notion that Quarry was still a "highly regarded contender" in March of 1975 is absolute bull crap.

Nearly Quarry's entire family begged Quarry to quit following his June, 1974 beat down by a diminished Joe Frazier. Quarry was done at that point.

Just because someone keeps boxing and promoters keep offering deals and the press hypes things to help a promotion does not mean someone is still a valid contender.

The evidence does not point that way at all.
He was still ranked very highly. Screw the ratings,when they are inconvenient? We talking the Ring Ratings not some WBS Organization that may have a reason to rate him highly.
He got beat down buy Frazier because Frazier was a lot better. He got beat down by in 1972 because he Ali was a lot better.
He won some fights in between because, guess what? He was better than those guys.
He was just 29 years old for the Norton fight, not exactly ready for the old folks home.

He got fought a better fighter and got whipped.

[Ambling Alp II]

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

It's not really a crybaby excuse to say that Quarry was out of shape, he simply was. Quarry had seen better days but he was not washed up, Norton was probably in his absolute prime. It is perfectly ok to think that 69 Quarry could have beaten 75 Norton. I will happily grant you that Quarry had stamina problems throughout his career. I wouldn't bet the farm on 69 Quarry either but I think he could have beaten Norton. It's a close call either way.

What was so special about Quarry in 1969? He couldn't even beat Chuvalo.

Yes it is a crybaby excuse. Why would he be so "out of shape" ? He just had a fight (that lasted 10 rounds) 30 days prior.

[yancey]

It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

The notion that Quarry was still a "highly regarded contender" in March of 1975 is absolute bull crap.

Nearly Quarry's entire family begged Quarry to quit following his June, 1974 beat down by a diminished Joe Frazier. Quarry was done at that point.

Just because someone keeps boxing and promoters keep offering deals and the press hypes things to help a promotion does not mean someone is still a valid contender.

The evidence does not point that way at all.
He was still ranked very highly. Screw the ratings,when they are inconvenient? We talking the Ring Ratings not some WBS Organization that may have a reason to rate him highly.
He got beat down buy Frazier because Frazier was a lot better. He got beat down by in 1972 because he Ali was a lot better.
He won some fights in between because, guess what? He was better than those guys.
He was just 29 years old for the Norton fight, not exactly ready for the old folks home.

He got fought a better fighter and got whipped.

You simply don't know what you are talking about.

Quarry was done in '74-'75.

Are you a kid?

And once again, this notion you have with chronological age is revealing.

In your simplistic world, everyone's 24 = everyone's else 24, 27 = 27, 29 = 29, etc, etc, right?

When will you ever fricking learn that some fighters can be shot in their mid-20s and some fighters can be in their prime in their mid-30s?!

I really think you are a kid or someone that has never been around sports and athletes closely.