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Ambling Alp II wrote:Young is the hardest to say. Going with Jimmy by competitive yet clear decision.
The other two are easy.
Quarry TKO 1 Shavers
Norton TKO 5 Quarry

Ambling Alp II wrote:I never bought the argument that Quarry was well past it. He was actually younger than Norton, and was still rated pretty highly going into the fight. If they fought again, maybe Quarry does better, but he is usually going to lose this fight. Norton was simply the better fighter.
Almost anything could happen in a Shavers fight. If they fought 5 times, Shavers would win once or twice.
Quarry had a little better overall career, but Young at this best was really tough to beat.

Ambling Alp II wrote:He was a better fighter that Quarry. Look at their overall careers.
Quarry didn't look out of shape and even if he was, it's own problem, not Norton's.
He did not almost knock out Norton.

hhaehre wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:He was a better fighter that Quarry. Look at their overall careers.
Quarry didn't look out of shape and even if he was, it's own problem, not Norton's.
He did not almost knock out Norton.

Career-wise I think they are fairly close but Norton did beat Ali and that counts for a lot. As for Quarry in the Norton fight I think he looked very much out of shape, he took the fight on very short notice and was gasping for air after two rounds. I think prime Quarry (Frazier 1 version) would have beaten Norton, Quarry took a punch better and that would have made the difference imo.

Ambling Alp II wrote: This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

Ambling Alp II wrote:It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

Caractacus wrote:Ken Norton was ranked #4 and Jerry Quarry was ranked #5 going into that fight.

BTW Not that it matters to you and not to make excuses ,but after his second loss to Joe Frazier in 1974,Quarry started using cocaine
and some other substance abuse problems and (according to Jerry Quarry himself)was actually drunk when he recieved
the phone call to be a last minute replacement on the Ali/Wepner closed-circuit fight.

yancey wrote:

Caractacus wrote:Ken Norton was ranked #4 and Jerry Quarry was ranked #5 going into that fight.

BTW Not that it matters to you and not to make excuses ,but after his second loss to Joe Frazier in 1974,Quarry started using cocaine
and some other substance abuse problems and (according to Jerry Quarry himself)was actually drunk when he recieved
the phone call to be a last minute replacement on the Ali/Wepner closed-circuit fight.

Screw the ratings. I just knew someone was going to bring them up.

Quarry was a shot fighter after the second fight with Frazier. Watch that fight. He was done.

His family wanted him to quit and they were right.

Let me ask this. Why in hell would such a "highly regarded contender", presumably carefully plotting his way to a title fight, take a fight on 10 day notice???

Might it be because in truth he was no longer such a "highly regarded contender" and had to do things the way others wanted?

Jerry probably needed the money. He was still a big name and he got used. And he had no freaking business being in the ring with Norton that night.

Caractacus wrote:In his autobiography,Ken Norton said that Jerry Quarry was the only fighter he had fought in anger and had actually tried to hurt.
What was Ken Norton's beef with Jerry Quarry anyway?

yancey wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

The notion that Quarry was still a "highly regarded contender" in March of 1975 is absolute bull crap.

Nearly Quarry's entire family begged Quarry to quit following his June, 1974 beat down by a diminished Joe Frazier. Quarry was done at that point.

Just because someone keeps boxing and promoters keep offering deals and the press hypes things to help a promotion does not mean someone is still a valid contender.

hhaehre wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote: This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

It's not really a crybaby excuse to say that Quarry was out of shape, he simply was. Quarry had seen better days but he was not washed up, Norton was probably in his absolute prime. It is perfectly ok to think that 69 Quarry could have beaten 75 Norton. I will happily grant you that Quarry had stamina problems throughout his career. I wouldn't bet the farm on 69 Quarry either but I think he could have beaten Norton. It's a close call either way.

Ambling Alp II wrote:

yancey wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:It used to be that Quarry took the fight with 3 weeks notice, then it was two, now it is 10 days. Wonder when it will get the point where he was pulled out from the crowd at the last minute.
He just had a 10-round fight 30 days before this fight. He should not have been that out of shape in the time since that fight and the time he was signed on to take on Norton.

Quarry was still a highly regarded contender when he fought Norton. He was not regarded as washed up at all.
Quarry had a long history of stamina problems. In several of his fights he starts off strong, then goes into punching bag mode for several rounds. Sometimes he would get a second wind, if he didn't stop the other guy early or get stopped himself in the mid-rounds.

This isn't fair to Norton. If we are going to use crybaby excuses for Quarry in this instance, you can really make a excuse for almost anyone in almost any fight. Norton beat him fair and square.

The notion that Quarry was still a "highly regarded contender" in March of 1975 is absolute bull crap.

Nearly Quarry's entire family begged Quarry to quit following his June, 1974 beat down by a diminished Joe Frazier. Quarry was done at that point.

Just because someone keeps boxing and promoters keep offering deals and the press hypes things to help a promotion does not mean someone is still a valid contender.

The evidence does not point that way at all.
He was still ranked very highly. Screw the ratings,when they are inconvenient? We talking the Ring Ratings not some WBS Organization that may have a reason to rate him highly.
He got beat down buy Frazier because Frazier was a lot better. He got beat down by in 1972 because he Ali was a lot better.
He won some fights in between because, guess what? He was better than those guys.
He was just 29 years old for the Norton fight, not exactly ready for the old folks home.

He got fought a better fighter and got whipped.