49-0 Is Not THE Record

[koolkc107]

Marciano's mark has a little less relevance to Mayweather than folks are giving it.

And it isn't even the best mark anyone has retired with.

It is the mark for heavyweights, nothing more nothing less.

Of more relevance to Floyd are the records of Jim Barry, who fought in the late 19th century (59-0-9 with 2 NC)
and Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1).

That's 70 and 52 fights without a defeat if you are counting.

To me, it is the best indicator that Floyd will fight at least once more after the current contract is done.

We know he has an ego. And 50-0 is an iconic mark to add to the short list of other marks in boxing.

[Butterbean]

Marciano's mark has a little less relevance to Mayweather than folks are giving it.

And it isn't even the best mark anyone has retired with.

It is the mark for heavyweights, nothing more nothing less.

Of more relevance to Floyd are the records of Jim Barry, who fought in the late 19th century (59-0-9 with 2 NC)
and Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1).

That's 70 and 52 fights without a defeat if you are counting.

To me, it is the best indicator that Floyd will fight at least once more after the current contract is done.

We know he has an ego. And 50-0 is an iconic mark to add to the short list of other marks in boxing.

Why dont you go write void a little loveletter or poem or something... He aint and wont ever be the legend you want him to be.

[crusader]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

[koolkc107]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

So, with you it isn't about who won the most without a defeat?

Listen, even if Mayweather fights and wins twice more, he still doesn't go by Lopez.

My point is I don't think Marciano's mark is THE record.

And I think I am on very firm ground with that.

[tiny_acres]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

So, with you it isn't about who won the most without a defeat?

Listen, even if Mayweather fights and wins twice more, he still doesn't go by Lopez.

My point is I don't think Marciano's mark is THE record.

And I think I am on very firm ground with that.

Look there are far better resumes than Floyd's.
But Lopez or Marciano's resumes do not come close to Floyd's

[punchoutsb]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

Don't ask him questions, he lacks the ability to answer them.

[crusader]

I believe Marciano holds the record for having the most wins out of anyone who retired with a perfect record (i.e. wins in every bout).

If that's true, and I'm confident it is, a boxer who retires for good at 50-0 would surpass Marciano for the most wins on a perfect and final record.

[crusader]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

Don't ask him questions, he lacks the ability to answer them.

True, and the bit about Wlad is so laughable that I'm sure he's trying to wind people up.

[koolkc107]

I believe Marciano holds the record for having the most wins out of anyone who retired with a perfect record (i.e. wins in every bout).

If that's true, and I'm confident it is, a boxer who retires for good at 50-0 would surpass Marciano for the most wins on a perfect and final record.

Marciano is not the man who exited the ring the most times without a defeat.

I think that is a more relevant mark when you are talking about boxing.

[koolkc107]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

Don't ask him questions, he lacks the ability to answer them.

True, and the bit about Wlad is so laughable that I'm sure he's trying to wind people up.

No, I don't belabor the obvious.

And if it isn't obvious to you then what do we have to talk about?

[punchoutsb]

Which fighter who won all their bouts retired with more fights and thus wins than Rocky?

Don't ask him questions, he lacks the ability to answer them.

True, and the bit about Wlad is so laughable that I'm sure he's trying to wind people up.

Oh definitely, he's a troll. Good for a laugh now and then, sometimes just cringe worthy.

[Taansend]

Rocky's record of 49-0 is misleading too.

He turned pro, won his debut then went back to amateur boxing (his trainer didn't think he was ready yet). He won & lost a few more amateur bouts then returned to his pro career sixteen months after his debut.

So his record should be 48-0 or something like 53-2.

[crusader]

I believe Marciano holds the record for having the most wins out of anyone who retired with a perfect record (i.e. wins in every bout).

If that's true, and I'm confident it is, a boxer who retires for good at 50-0 would surpass Marciano for the most wins on a perfect and final record.

Marciano is not the man who exited the ring the most times without a defeat.

I think that is a more relevant mark when you are talking about boxing.

I know he's not the man who exited the ring the most times without defeat....I thought you don't like to point out the obvious?

He does hold another record though, one that Mayweather will break if he ends his career 50-0. It may not be the most impressive record and there may be several other fighters with stronger resumes even though they lost, but it's still a record and hence people aren't incorrect when they suggest that Marciano holds a certain record that Mayweather is on the verge of surpassing.

[crusader]

Rocky's record of 49-0 is misleading too.

He turned pro, won his debut then went back to amateur boxing (his trainer didn't think he was ready yet). He won & lost a few more amateur bouts then returned to his pro career sixteen months after his debut.

So his record should be 48-0 or something like 53-2.

The record is for pro fights, not amateur ones.

[koolkc107]

I believe Marciano holds the record for having the most wins out of anyone who retired with a perfect record (i.e. wins in every bout).

If that's true, and I'm confident it is, a boxer who retires for good at 50-0 would surpass Marciano for the most wins on a perfect and final record.

Marciano is not the man who exited the ring the most times without a defeat.

I think that is a more relevant mark when you are talking about boxing.

I know he's not the man who exited the ring the most times without defeat....I thought you don't like to point out the obvious?

He does hold another record though, one that Mayweather will break if he ends his career 50-0. It may not be the most impressive record and there may be several other fighters with stronger resumes even though they lost, but it's still a record and hence people aren't wrong incorrect when they suggest that Marciano holds a certain record that Mayweather is on the verge of surpassing.

You call it a record to be broken.

This thread is to point out that

A) it wasn't a record in the first place.

and

B) even if it was, it has surpassed already.

And Taansend actually just validated me starting this thread because I didn't know that fact he posted.

So here's another question pertinent to this thread all you Rocky fans can answer.

If he turns pro, how can anything after be considered amateur for him?

And even if you allow the restoring of amateur status, isn't it still a defeat after a pro debut?

Curious....

[punchoutsb]

You call it a record to be broken.

This thread is to point out that

A) it wasn't a record in the first place.

and

B) even if it was, it has surpassed already.

And Taansend actually just validated me starting this thread because I didn't know that fact he posted.

So here's another question pertinent to this thread all you Rocky fans can answer.

If he turns pro, how can anything after be considered amateur for him?

And even if you allow the restoring of amateur status, isn't it still a defeat after a pro debut?

Curious....

If it wasn't a record, then who holds the record for the most wins without a draw or loss?

[Butterbean]

Pro means youre paid. Amateure means youre not paid... Rofl

[crusader]

Pro fights are pro fights and amateur fights are amateur fights. There are different standards and procedures one goes through to fight in the two ranks, and amateur losses never count on professional record and vice-versa. It may be odd that he was able to return to the amateurs, but nevertheless he was victorious in all his professional bouts and retired with 49 wins in 49 pro fights and a few amateur losses in a dozen or so amateur fights I believe.

A record is just a mark that hasn't been surpassed, and however relevant you may think it is Marciano holds a record for having the most pro wins on a perfect and final pro record. So I don't know what makes something 'THE' record, but it's still a record.

[KBB]

Marciano's mark has a little less relevance to Mayweather than folks are giving it.

And it isn't even the best mark anyone has retired with.

It is the mark for heavyweights, nothing more nothing less.

Of more relevance to Floyd are the records of Jim Barry, who fought in the late 19th century (59-0-9 with 2 NC)
and Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1).

That's 70 and 52 fights without a defeat if you are counting.

To me, it is the best indicator that Floyd will fight at least once more after the current contract is done.

We know he has an ego. And 50-0 is an iconic mark to add to the short list of other marks in boxing.

Perfection is the record, Marciano has that, no one speaks of Barry or Lopez in this race for the record. People are just mad because it's Floyd, if it was anyone else there would be nothing but praise.

Barry and Lopez have questions on their ledgers with those Draws and NCs, Marciano and Floyd don't.

[koolkc107]

Pro fights are pro fights and amateur fights are amateur fights. There are different standards and procedures one goes through to fight in the two ranks, and amateur losses never count on professional record and vice-versa. It may be odd that he was able to return to the amateurs, but nevertheless he was victorious in all his professional bouts and retired with 49 wins in 49 pro fights and a few amateur losses in a dozen or so amateur fights I believe.

A record is just a mark that hasn't been surpassed, and however relevant you may think it is Marciano holds a record for having the most pro wins on a perfect and final pro record. So I don't know what makes something 'THE' record, but it's still a record.

Fair enough.

But what happened to "Once you turn pro, you are always a pro"?

How many athletes have we seen that were penalized because they did something construed as professional when they were supposed to be amateurs?

I doubt that Marciano would have been allowed to compete in the Olympics after that first pro fight, so why are we treating his pro mark any different?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

A DRAW IS NOT A LOSE I CAN WIN 1 FIGHT DRAW 7 AND I'M STILL UNDEFEATED THATS THE BOTTOM LINE

[punchoutsb]

A DRAW IS NOT A LOSE I CAN WIN 1 FIGHT DRAW 7 AND I'M STILL UNDEFEATED THATS THE BOTTOM LINE

A draw is not a win either. You can win one fight and draw seven and you don't have a perfect record, though you may be undefeated.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

A DRAW IS NOT A LOSE I CAN WIN 1 FIGHT DRAW 7 AND I'M STILL UNDEFEATED THATS THE BOTTOM LINE

A draw is not a win either. You can win one fight and draw seven and you don't have a perfect record, though you may be undefeated.

Ok what does undefeated mean that all I want to know JUST UNDEFAETED THATS ALL NOT PERFECT

[ClivePatrickLyons]

A DRAW IS NOT A LOSE I CAN WIN 1 FIGHT DRAW 7 AND I'M STILL UNDEFEATED THATS THE BOTTOM LINE

A draw is not a win either. You can win one fight and draw seven and you don't have a perfect record, though you may be undefeated.

Anyway Mayweather can be 49-0 or 50-0 Lopez holds the modern day record end of story 51 wins never defeated

[Chepppaaa]

since when is floyd 49-0 ?

castillo loss
maidana I draw

47-1-1 is floyds real record, if we wanna talk truth, than thats the truth.