Another PBC Loser

[caldo2025]

Another PBC event and another horrible night of boxing. Each event Haymon puts out now features one of his blue chippers against a feather fisted foe. It's just horrible to watch and getting older each time I watch. This was a pretty good idea on paper but it's not going to work out unless he pits some elite boxers against each other. Last night was the worst boxing event i've seen put on in a long time.

[Tanzio]

Another PBC event and another horrible night of boxing. Each event Haymon puts out now features one of his blue chippers against a feather fisted foe. It's just horrible to watch and getting older each time I watch. This was a pretty good idea on paper but it's not going to work out unless he pits some elite boxers against each other. Last night was the worst boxing event i've seen put on in a long time.

I cannot comment on last night's travesty because most of us knew that it was a waste of time and space when it was announced so we spent ours elsewhere.

I have been relatively pleased overall with the PBC. I think it has been a net positive for boxing so far.

[Lancenix]

Another PBC event and another horrible night of boxing. Each event Haymon puts out now features one of his blue chippers against a feather fisted foe. It's just horrible to watch and getting older each time I watch. This was a pretty good idea on paper but it's not going to work out unless he pits some elite boxers against each other. Last night was the worst boxing event i've seen put on in a long time.

I cannot comment on last night's travesty because most of us knew that it was a waste of time and space when it was announced so we spent ours elsewhere.

I have been relatively pleased overall with the PBC. I think it has been a net positive for boxing so far.

Outside of Broner vs. Porter I would have to agree with Jim Lampley that the PBC has been a fledgling disaster and has done little to nothing for boxing at all. There has been very little to be positive about it.

[MachoTime]

I wonder if we will see a bout like Danny Garcia vs. Keith Thurman on one of these PBC events.

[Andrew]

Mares v LSC Is a great fight and there have been others I have enjoyed IE Thurman v Guerrero, direll v degale etc

But in terms of quality it is probably the same if not worse than GBP under Schaefer. Fights last night were poor but we knew that anyway going into it.

[MachoTime]

If we are talking about extremes as far as matchup's goes. Look at the recent Kovalev fight on Showtime. That was a complete mismatch. It seems like the last few PBC events were on ESPN. What difference does it make if the fights are on HBO or Showtime and now ESPN. Some of the matches like Chavez Jr. recently, is a ESPN level type fight. But we saw it as a headliner on Showtime. Go figure.

Recently, I don't see much of a difference between PBC, HBO or Showtime match ups.

Only now it's the same fighters that used to be on HBO or Showtime are now with the PBC. The PBC has thinned out the HBO Showtime monopoly.

[Boxing Prospect]

Been a lot of crap...the PBC problem isn't just the "level" of the bouts but the stylistic ideas of the matches. They need a "cheap and cheerful" war. Stick someone like Monta Meza Clay on there and give viewers a high octane slugfest as well as the big name but dull fight. The numbers have been dropping rather spectacularly haven't they?

[marvelous marv]

One of the problems with PBC that they don't acknowledge champions or championship fights. The general public isn't aware in many cases of what they are watching.

What else could they do to improve?

[Tanzio]

Another PBC event and another horrible night of boxing. Each event Haymon puts out now features one of his blue chippers against a feather fisted foe. It's just horrible to watch and getting older each time I watch. This was a pretty good idea on paper but it's not going to work out unless he pits some elite boxers against each other. Last night was the worst boxing event i've seen put on in a long time.

I cannot comment on last night's travesty because most of us knew that it was a waste of time and space when it was announced so we spent ours elsewhere.

I have been relatively pleased overall with the PBC. I think it has been a net positive for boxing so far.

Outside of Broner vs. Porter I would have to agree with Jim Lampley that the PBC has been a fledgling disaster and has done little to nothing for boxing at all. There has been very little to be positive about it.

Jim Lampley? Objective source there.

Only Porter v Broner?

Thurman v Guerrero
Berto v Lopez
Stevenson v Bika
Garcia v Peterson
Lee v Quillin
Dirrell v Jack
Figueroa v Burns
Dirrell v DeGale
Khan v Algieri
Spence v LoGreco
Barthelemy v DeMarco
Vasquez v Omotoso
Thurman v Collazo
Frampton v Gonzalez

Upcoming:

Payano v Warren
Tarver v Cunningham
Bute v DiLuisa
Santa Cruz v Mares

Before anyone cherrypicks Thurman v Collazo as a mismatch, it turned out to be a decent workout for Keith. Collazo may be past it but he will never be a soft touch.

PBC has put a lot of interesting stuff out there on network tv. Even some of the mismatches have been worth a watch to see up and comers or boxers on the rebound.

Boxing fans can be a herd of whining bitches.

[ldlamb]

I dont know what the fuss is.

The Jacobs/Mora fight was shaping up to be exciting.

And a P4P guy fought a name opponent, as an in between fight coming off Peterson and probably heading to a title fight next.

[Lancenix]

If we are talking about extremes as far as matchup's goes. Look at the recent Kovalev fight on Showtime. That was a complete mismatch. It seems like the last few PBC events were on ESPN. What difference does it make if the fights are on HBO or Showtime and now ESPN. Some of the matches like Chavez Jr. recently, is a ESPN level type fight. But we saw it as a headliner on Showtime. Go figure.

Recently, I don't see much of a difference between PBC, HBO or Showtime match ups.

Only now it's the same fighters that used to be on HBO or Showtime are now with the PBC. The PBC has thinned out the HBO Showtime monopoly.

The Kovalev fight was on HBO actually and he fought his mandatory. Garcia is just going in full reverse mode right now. He is winning and his career is sliding backward all at the same time.

[crusader]

I dont know what the fuss is.

The Jacobs/Mora fight was shaping up to be exciting.

And a P4P guy fought a name opponent, as an in between fight coming off Peterson and probably heading to a title fight next.

As a fan why should I care if he's got a name when he's been off 15 months, was flattened in 4 in his last fight, has 1 win in nearly 3 years, and in his win before that went life and death with Pablo Cano? Paulie was also clearly the smaller man so it was hardly as if Garcia was testing the waters against someone bigger than anyone he had faced.

This seems to be fairly common in boxing promotion.....getting people to believe that someone is a suitable opponent just because they have a name, without looking at the context around the fight. I think it was fairly obvious that Garcia would handily win and he ended up doing that in fairly unentertaining fashion.

[Lancenix]

I dont know what the fuss is.

The Jacobs/Mora fight was shaping up to be exciting.

And a P4P guy fought a name opponent, as an in between fight coming off Peterson and probably heading to a title fight next.

As a fan why should I care if he's got a name when he's been off 15 months, was flattened in 4 in his last fight, has 1 win in nearly 3 years, and in his win before that went life and death with Pablo Cano? Paulie was also clearly the smaller man so it was hardly as if Garcia was testing the waters against someone bigger than anyone he had faced.

This seems to be fairly common in boxing promotion.....getting people to believe that someone is a suitable opponent just because they have a name, without looking at the context around the fight. I think it was fairly obvious that Garcia would handily win and he ended up doing that in fairly unentertaining fashion.

Exactly. The outcome is not in doubt before the fight even begins. How is this good for boxing?

[Ricky_]

Haymon stinks.

[Tanzio]

Haymon stinks.

That's like saying an individual turd stinks in a septic tank.

[jont]

I'm glad that the PBC is being televised on free television. The whole set up and tv production seems ridiculous. I loved Tuesday Night Fights and ESPN Friday night fights but the inclusion of Rosie and the other females who probably don't know too much about boxing or who make me tend to want to turn off the tv sucks.

[MachoTime]

If we are talking about extremes as far as matchup's goes. Look at the recent Kovalev fight on Showtime. That was a complete mismatch. It seems like the last few PBC events were on ESPN. What difference does it make if the fights are on HBO or Showtime and now ESPN. Some of the matches like Chavez Jr. recently, is a ESPN level type fight. But we saw it as a headliner on Showtime. Go figure.

Recently, I don't see much of a difference between PBC, HBO or Showtime match ups.

Only now it's the same fighters that used to be on HBO or Showtime are now with the PBC. The PBC has thinned out the HBO Showtime monopoly.

The Kovalev fight was on HBO actually and he fought his mandatory. Garcia is just going in full reverse mode right now. He is winning and his career is sliding backward all at the same time.

Before Malignaggi, Garcia fought Peterson, a capable opponent. I don't get this that some are saying Garcia's career is going backwards. Throw in a few tomato cans in his next two upcoming fights then I'd say yeah you got a point here.

[KBB]

If we are talking about extremes as far as matchup's goes. Look at the recent Kovalev fight on Showtime. That was a complete mismatch. It seems like the last few PBC events were on ESPN. What difference does it make if the fights are on HBO or Showtime and now ESPN. Some of the matches like Chavez Jr. recently, is a ESPN level type fight. But we saw it as a headliner on Showtime. Go figure.

Recently, I don't see much of a difference between PBC, HBO or Showtime match ups.

Only now it's the same fighters that used to be on HBO or Showtime are now with the PBC. The PBC has thinned out the HBO Showtime monopoly.

The Kovalev fight was on HBO actually and he fought his mandatory. Garcia is just going in full reverse mode right now. He is winning and his career is sliding backward all at the same time.

Before Malignaggi, Garcia fought Peterson, a capable opponent. I don't get this that some are saying Garcia's career is going backwards. Throw in a few tomato cans in his next two upcoming fights then I'd say yeah you got a point here.

Take away one bad matchup and DG has been facing the"who's who of his weight class, of course free boxing will draw critics but what network isn't without its share of critics.

The real boxing fans got just what we expected for Free Boxing, Haymon is doing no worse than the other networks with his shows.

[Boxing Prospect]

Malignaggi and Salka in recent bouts, Herrera is talented but wasn't supposed to actually expose Garcia's flaws...like Theophane had previously...

[Ricky_]

Haymon stinks.

That's like saying an individual turd stinks in a septic tank.

More like pointing out the biggest most disgusting piece of liquid diahrrea swimming around when at least all the other turds are solidified and trying to play some kind of role in normal septic tank standards.

[jockpunk]

PBC pretty much sucks. There have been some ok fights, but nothing that compelling. The vast majority are catchweight fights between guys who could easily fight at the same weight class or total mismatches. Even when there is a decent fight, there is always a better fight that would have been just as easy to make so why not make that one?

I really don't see how this is going to work. There are absolutely zero stars on PBC. They need to build them, and by refusing to match guys against each other that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see what the plan is.

And why does anyone care if it is on free tv? If you are on this site, you are already paying for hbo and showtime.

[world ranked]

PBC pretty much sucks. There have been some ok fights, but nothing that compelling. The vast majority are catchweight fights between guys who could easily fight at the same weight class or total mismatches. Even when there is a decent fight, there is always a better fight that would have been just as easy to make so why not make that one?

I really don't see how this is going to work. There are absolutely zero stars on PBC. They need to build them, and by refusing to match guys against each other that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see what the plan is.

And why does anyone care if it is on free tv? If you are on this site, you are already paying for hbo and showtime.

There cards are no better or worst than any other promoter. Why are they being singled out.

[jockpunk]

Largely because one would assume that they are going to expect the networks to pay for these fights at some point. Without putting on quality fights, are the ratings going to be good enough for the networks to pay? Maybe for the the CBS afternoon cards when there is nothing else on TV, but not the prime time sat night slots.

I think HBO is showing much better fights. Some are mismatches, but at least you are seeing legit stars.

[jujigatame]

Thurman v Guerrero
Berto v Lopez
Stevenson v Bika
Garcia v Peterson
Lee v Quillin
Dirrell v Jack
Figueroa v Burns
Dirrell v DeGale
Khan v Algieri
Spence v LoGreco
Barthelemy v DeMarco
Vasquez v Omotoso
Thurman v Collazo
Frampton v Gonzalez

A lot of these fights (maybe most) were mismatches. Even Thurman/Guerrero. Thurman was like a -1000 favorite. Also Wilder is under Haymon and his last fight was total garbage too.

I think it's a valid argument that other promoters are equally guilty of making mismatch-heavy cards, but I still haven't found most PBC cards to be particularly inspiring.

[world ranked]

Thurman v Guerrero
Berto v Lopez
Stevenson v Bika
Garcia v Peterson
Lee v Quillin
Dirrell v Jack
Figueroa v Burns
Dirrell v DeGale
Khan v Algieri
Spence v LoGreco
Barthelemy v DeMarco
Vasquez v Omotoso
Thurman v Collazo
Frampton v Gonzalez

A lot of these fights (maybe most) were mismatches. Even Thurman/Guerrero. Thurman was like a -1000 favorite. Also Wilder is under Haymon and his last fight was total garbage too.

I think it's a valid argument that other promoters are equally guilty of making mismatch-heavy cards, but I still haven't found most PBC cards to be particularly inspiring.

You TR or GB or any other promter fights u get the same result mix of fights I don't understand.